r/ARMYNeutral

Wdyt about happy and echo? I personally like it as I'm a rock fan and jin's solo music is i think the most rock adjacent in the group. My only complain is how he's choosing the title track. Jin did so well in power ballad type songs like falling and with the clouds. But why just why he choose running wild the happy go lucky bubbly pop as the title track. Not to mention i think it's in the range he struggles with, like it just doesn't represent his strengths well. In echo too i think nothing without your love or with the clouds are much better as a title track. Overall, i liked echo better as i feel like happy is too bubbly pop for me

P.s no hate pls i genuinely want to know what everyone thinks about these albums and it's my personal opinion based on my music taste

Does anyone here know how exactly are this type of promotions planned?

Do these celebrities personally pick the flavours or their assistants or someone does it? Asking because I bought a few packs, didn’t like them and i don’t know what to do with them. I don’t like throwing food so I guess I will try to finish them gradually.

The cookies are extremely sweet and sugary!!!…like insane amounts of sweet. You open the pack and all you can smell is the sugar.
There’s no way any person who is a public figure would eat these because of the high calorie content.

The flavour is kinda nice but I wish the sweetness was toned down a bit. I just wanted to check if there are people who genuinely loved the flavour.

I hope they can meet and get along, but I dont know how BTS will physically be there because dont they have a concert in France the day before? And isn't the Fifa match in America? Also I'm worried now that they have added Justin they will cut BTS time even shorter to accommodate Justin. Im a Justin Bieber fan too but I really wanted BTS to have this moment to shine and they were already sharing the halftime with two other artist.

I was doing some research about the Kpop industry and I came across an article that talked about kpop slave contracts it said:

"Aspiring K-pop idols, known as "trainees," sign contracts with management agencies when the trainee is as young as 12 or 13 years old. It may take ten years for an agency to groom the trainee and for them to debut on stage, according to the former head of the Korea Entertainment Law Society. Both trainees and K-pop idols who have debuted typically live in dormitories, where their management agencies control their diets, their love lives, and their behavior. Under most contracts, trainees and K-pop idols are required to pay back their management agencies for the cost of singing and dancing lessons, their wardrobes and living costs, among other things. As a result, K-pop idols may not make large profits.

Many K-pop groups often take years to break even, and thus do not receive their share of any profits made from their songs until their trainee debt is paid off.

These contracts often create manufactured and controlled identities, in order to maintain a façade of a "supremely talented and gorgeous, single, heterosexual star, seemingly accessible to fans of the opposite sex"

In addition, both male and female idols are expected to achieve and maintain an unhealthily slim figure in order to even be considered for applying to trainee programs."

I don't know a lot about Hybe or weather they are different than other companies but I just wonder. I do see that BTS has made money and doesnt look like they are in any debt to the company. But I wonder if they are still controlled and I even wonder if BTS is still together because they cannot leave their contracts. I heard a rumor that they cant leave even if they are injured but only a worse case scenario like if they pass 😔.

I really dont know im just thinking I dont know its a deep conversation. What do you guys think?

This is just my personal experience, so please don’t come for me. 😅** **
**I’m genuinely happy for everyone who had an amazing time! I honestly wish I had felt the same.**💜

Seeing BTS live had been one of my biggest dreams for the past five years. That’s why it makes me a little sad to say this, but I left feeling quite disappointed with the overall experience.
If I had to rate it, I’d probably give it a 6/10.
For context, I paid around €430 for a VIP standing ticket. We spent almost 10 hours outside in the burning sun before the concert even started. I barely drank anything because the portable toilets were in such a disgusting state, and I’m very prone to getting infections, so I didn’t want to risk using them. By the time the show began, I was already completely exhausted.
The soundcheck itself was nice, but afterwards we had to wait another three hours before the actual concert started.
During the soundcheck, the members spent most of their time on the catwalks. Because of that, my friend and I decided to leave our spot at the main stage (we were in section D) and move to the catwalk. We thought we were making the smarter choice.
Well… that completely backfired. 🤡
During the actual concert, they spent most of the time on the main stage, and the catwalk was only used 1 time by 5 out of 7 members. Looking back, we made the wrong decision, even though it seemed like the logical one at the time.
The part that disappointed me the most was that I spent the majority of the concert watching the big screens instead of actually seeing the members. For almost €500, that’s honestly not what I had imagined. I came there to experience BTS live, not to watch a screen for most of the night.
This is not BTS’s fault, I know ❗️
They were incredible. Their energy was amazing, the performance was great, and you could tell they genuinely enjoyed being on stage. My disappointment is directed at the overall VIP experience and the stage setup, not at BTS themselves.
Looking back, I actually enjoyed TWICE’s VIP concert 3 years ago much more. Their stage design made it much easier to see everyone, and I left feeling like the experience was absolutely worth the money.

I’m still incredibly grateful that I finally got to see BTS live after wanting it for so many years. I just wish I had been able to enjoy the experience as much as I had imagined.
Maybe I was just unlucky with my position. Maybe the heat and standing outside for so many hours made me too exhausted to fully enjoy it. I don’t know.
I’m really curious—did anyone else feel the same, or did you have a completely different experience?

I got the Merch for Brussels. It’s a bit disappointing tbh. For how much the tickets are. And even the fan they gave would not work.

Makes me feel a bit sad and disappointed 😔

Hi! I'm flying in from Norway to London to see BTS for the first time after 6 years of being ARMY. I've read about people's concert experiences, and mostly the only complaints I've heard are about the audience being disrespectful and too loud during the wrong times. But it seems to be different from country to country.

I was just wondering if anyone who's seen them in the UK before could tell me about their experience? I get that it's been a while and all, but is there anything specific that sets it apart? Is there anything special I should be prepared for?

Thank you kindly😊😊💜

I was just at the brussels d2 concert and I had an amazing time, I’m obviously incredibly grateful. However I just had to complain/rant a bit about the screaming and chanting during the members ending ments.

I understand that we’re hyped up and I know the guys appreciate a responsive and energetic crowd but I think ending ments just aren’t the time for that. It was so loud you could barely hear what Yoongi and Hoseok were trying to say.

Yoongi kept his short, so actually you could pretty much not hear anything he said but it was still more tolerable than Hoseoks ending ment. People kept trying to do the jhope chant while he was speaking and just felt like a cheap recreation of moments from past concerts which was so frustrating since his speech felt especially earnest.

According to the linked article, the Ministry of Sports does not authorize the use of the National Stadium for BTS's 360° stage set-up due to field damage that could potentially affect sporting events.

The tickets have already gone on sale, leaving BTS with a sold-out show with nowhere to play at.

BigHit may need to find alternate arrangements or cancel the shows in Chile entirely if the Chilean government does not go back on their decision.

Look I don't care if this gets downvotes or anything reddit isn't my life. I am just shocked that people actually believe Olivia is bigger than BTS ? Taylor swift, Justin Bieber on a worldwide level I agree. The general public knows them by heart, their popularity has reached each and every corner of the globe but I just had an argument about Olivia fans I guess who believes she is more big/loved (English is my 3/4th language, I don't know what word to use properly here) than BTS. Sorry but no she was trending on TikTok with driver song 1 time but that's it.

Hey hey ☺️💖
Me and my friend are looking for tickets for D1 in Munich. We’ve been trying in the known places but we’re not lucky yet.
As we will go anyways to munich with it without ticket we would also be able for a spontaneous exchange there 💖🎉

Thaaaaanks already for tips or maybe help

To give context, I am from India and I have a concert ticket for Paris. I initially thought I would not be able to travel but now I can. However, I can only make a trip out of it for 7 days. I have never been to France before and there is a heatwave and flight tickets are 1.5X their usual price. Should I go or not? I'm sooo confused. Will they come to India? 😭

I personally have ticketed for Korean, North American, and Indonesian BTS shows and I feel like in all cases (to varying degrees ofc, since some regions are more anti-fan resale than others) that ticketing has just become a shitshow. I doubt BigHit will ever make army membership sign-ups time sensitive again (that would limit profit), so scalpers literally can just buy as many memberships as they want, buy the best tickets, and resell to desperate fans through unofficial means for profit. In Asia, it's especially bad because they'll sell/rent out army membership codes.. not even tickets. Just the membership itself.

The ideal best protection against this would be bringing back time-sensitive army membership sign-ups, or at least giving priority to gold membership holders, but that's probably not ever going to happen. Reintroducing the raffle is probably the only way to save the state of Korean ticketing now. In North America, botting is pretty much restricted only to a few bad apples here or there (relative to Asia at least), but in Korea/SEA, botting is normal and even normal fans will hire people with bot/macro programs to try and secure a ticket.

I know the Busan shows sparked discourse about how lame Korean crowds are, but I have to side with Korean fans when they talk about how the floor is filled with lots of people (and a lot of those people not even being Korean) more concerned with their fancams. I was actually a little surprised to see how little of the audience at Jin's Goyang shows were Korean. It's a significant chunk of the crowd. Some K-armys obviously went too far about their complaints (the ones who said they get upset when they sit next to foreigners at shows, xenophobic stuff like that), but the majority who are simply just upset about being wrongfully blamed aren't actually wrong.. I saw some of them suggesting that foreigners be de-prioritized, but they're assuming genuine foreign fans are being prioritize anyway. They're not. Global NOL/Interpark sucks. Even camping for cancellation tickets is nearly impossible for foreigners. Foreign scalpers have access to Korean NOL accounts too, so further shitting on foreign fans helps nobody but scalpers.

For North American shows, the scalping problem actually isn't as bad as Asian shows in my opinion. In no way do I mean to compliment Ticketmaster or Seatgeek or whatever, they suck (predatory monopolies are bad), but it could be sooo much worse.. ahah 💔. I don't like, however, that BigHit did not allow official fan resale for the arirang tour because it serves as harm reduction in my opinion (TM confirmed that the label/artist's end gets to choose whether or not to do resale). I have never seen so many armys get scammed before this tour. Resellers will always find a way.. so at least give the fans a safe and controlled marketplace to exchange tickets. They could even cap the resale prices, but whatever. I've also seen that a lot of armys are having a hard time selling their tickets at a 50%+ loss even.. so I think having a place to gather official fan resale tickets would probably prevent regular fans from losing hundreds and make more apprehensive fans less scared to buy fan-to-fan. I did think the ticket redistribution thing was neat though, I was able to get my day 2&4 vegas tickets through the scalper cancellations and reraffle.

When I ticketed for the added Jakarta date, I saw on twitter that Chinese/Hong Kong IP addresses were blocked to try and prevent scalping unlike the initial sale (in which vip sold out in like 5 or less minutes, and all tickets were basically gone within 40 minutes). Not sure how effective that was (probably a little? A lot of scalpers are in those areas, but they also are probably clever enough to find a new loophole to bypass the IP block) but it probably sucked if you were just an honest HK/Chinese fan trying to get tickets, especially since HK tickets were basically all bought by scalpers.

Comparing this to the Japanese ticket sale, it's like day and night. Outside of the global fanclub raffle, the Japanese raffle method almost ensures that mostly only actual armys who are Japanese residents get tickets. There isn't an issue with people buying tickets for their fancams, since filming is strictly prohibited (with the new exception of soundcheck). Whenever people bring up implementing the Japanese raffle system, people bring up that J-Army hate it (idk if that's actually how they feel though), so that raises a question. Would you rather,

1). Enter a decently fair raffle to see bts but not be able to choose where you sit and potentially get nothing at all with 0 recourse (just SOL).... but at least it was mostly fans who got the tickets. (Japan)

2). Ticket normally with scalpers in the mix. If you fail during initial sale, you could have a chance still and find face value tickets if you decide to risk fan-to-fan resale. Face value is horribly priced anyway (especially for Mexico and Canada, jeez) so, hey, might as well. (North America)

3). Have a lot be determined by if you're using a botting program/proxy buyer or not (unless you're lucky or want to sit in the wayyyy high stands), having to jump through 728283 hoops to get overpriced resale from exclusively scalpers. Might get your ticket cancelled or denied entry anyway. (Non-Japan majority of Asian dates)

4). Has some form of impactful anti-scalping laws but scalping still persists lol (EU & Australia). Not too familar though, I haven't ticketed for either of these regions.

5). Secret fifth thing (South America + future ME dates...if any of you have ticketed for those regions, i'd be interested to hear about it!!).

Big disclaimer I’m not a scalper. My wife is a super fan and I managed to get two tickets to BTS’s concert in Arlington, Dallas.

Little did we know that at the time we bought the tickets she was pregnant! While we’re very excited she’ll be well into her third trimester by August when they play and doesn’t feel comfortable going to the concert with the baby being so far along. She’s already exhausted as it is!

So we’ve agreed to sell the tickets, not sure if I’m allowed to post this here but if you’re interested please dm me, not looking to make a crazy profit or anything dumb just want to sell this for what we got it for so we can give others the fair chance to see BTS.

Date: August 16th
Section: C208
Row: 4
Seats: 20-21

They’re really nice aisle seats. Let me know! It goes without saying I’ll immediately be deleting this once we have a buyer and we’ll make sure to sell the tickets through a secure app, not sure about how all that works but we’ll figure it out lol

Yesterday was my first ever bts concert. This was the perfect time since I'm from Belgium. I've been waiting for this ever since the love yourself tour because I didn't get tickets to Amsterdam that time.

I feel as though because BTS concerts are so overhyped (which totally makes sense to their awesome performers), and they didn't meet me expectations... it started of strong in the setlist and reached its peak at micdrop with al the older songs. They somewhat lost me when they did butter and dynamite and please as one of the ending songs.

I also felt as though the members were very tired after the middle portion (with micdrop and everything), which I know is normal.. they put a lot of energy into dancing and all.. but they seemed exhausted mentally, too. I found it very worrisome, and my bias is jimin, and he looked sickly because of the red makeup under his eyes? I was also kind of sad I didn't get to cry at any time, the tear just didn't come and I thought I'd be crying from beginning to ending 😅.

I'm just wondering if this is just a me thing or other people also felt this? Maybe I've just been hyping this up for too long?

Weird question I know but I was thinking about it today how BTS's message in their music has shifted over the past thirteen years, and it had me wondering about the 2.0 era and what they're going to be pivoting to.

For example, in their beginning they were marketed as underdogs, young high school graduates talking about social issues, along with the general album arc of young love. Later they followed with HYYH and early twenties experiances, again keeping that social commentary for Korean youth. Finally with the Love Yourself trilogy there was a bit of a push for mental health care and self love, again geared at teens to young adults (although anyone can relate, or course)

I feel like once they got to the size and mainstream aclaim that they have today, with HYBE becoming a megacorp and them swerving very heavily into promotion of luxury brands, the "political/social Justice" thing kinda fell away as expected. They had the 2019-2021, global SK ambassadors, attending the UN etc. and being like global beacons of hope during the pandemic with their English feel-good Songs.

Then Arirang as an album is a bit of an outlier from this general pattern because I understand it's point is to be a rip-off-the-bandaid, we're back, we're Korean. But I'm curious going forward their goals in music. I don't expect political commentary (they're multimillionaires under a monopolized megacorp like HYBE, let's be real that's not happeninf) and I understand they're all thirty by now so I'm not expecting HYYH, but I'm curious what y'all's opinions are on where they might take their message next.

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