r/EndTipping

I work for a big federal agency and my job has me moving every few years. I have done this many times and each move has a “pack-out” leg and a “receive” leg with different movers. I am getting geared up for another pack-out and a co-worker was lamenting about how expensive it was to tip out 2 different crews of workers. I was legit shocked. I have never tipped. Should I be?? Is this a thing?? Don’t these workers who are working for big brand name moving companies with government contracts getting paid a fair wage?? She said that she typically tips $30-$50/person working. A crew is usually 7–8 guys. This feels super insane to me. Most moves are 2 days and I usually get them a bunch of cold drinks and if they seem like they are really doing a good job with all my stuff, maybe I will buy them sandwiches or pizza for lunch, but honestly even the food feels like a bit of a stretch.

Any thoughts????

One idea is that we should tip everyone: waiters, taxi drivers, dish washers, teachers, cops, cashiers, shop keepers, grocers, IT workers, editors, delivery drivers, cleaning staff, dish washers, interns, theme park workers, construction workers, air traffic controllers, zookeepers, mechanics, farmers, dog catchers, stuntmen, fortune tellers, the unemployed, artisans, vigilantes, mimes, Ninjas, Reddit commentators, etc., etc.

Or, alternatively, we could eliminate tipping entirely.

But what's with the middle ground? Pick a side, people!

I am already not OK with tipping in general and to have that as an icing on top of an already aggravating experience? I absolutely despise it. It just feels extra bad.

Sit down restaurants are not for me - mainly due to the pressure to tip. It just ruined everything. But people around me have no problem with it. I seems to be the problem. I'd rather go grab a hotdog at a gas station. Taste good, get what you pay for, no flirting and no stress.

Rant over.

I recently dined at a Five Four Street restaurant, (wrote it like this to not trip an algorithm)and it seems their servers choose to stand in front of you while you pay on their electronic handheld. I found this to be very rude, and our server wasn't very good. I was planning to leave no tip, but the dude just stood there looking at me. I eventually tipped 5 bucks just because I didn't want any confrontation. I made a mental note never to dine there again. But in the future, if that happens again somewhere else, I want to be prepared and handle that better. What have you done in that situation?

Just tried to order Papa Johns on the app for pickup, it would not allow me to complete the order without adding a tip. I tried custom tip at zero, no dice.

Shitty pizza anyway but it's next door to where I am so I was willing to order out of convenience.

Nope, I'm not fucking tipping for pickup.

I know my non-order isn't going to put them out of business but I will not order from a place that requires a tip for pickup. I might have, if I had the choice, but try to force me? Fuck you, I'll eat whatever's in the freezer.

My town recently had a Jersey Mike's open up, never had it before, thought I'd give it a try. Damn good hoagie for a franchise business, bread was average but overall impressed with the quality. This was my first time experiencing a tip screen at a nationally franchised counter-service business. I placed my order standing at a counter, picked it up at the same counter, nobody ever "waited" on me while I sat at a table.

I can understand this nonsense at a local, mom & pop place. But for upscale Subway? You have to be kidding me. Just curious: has anyone else experienced this? Tip begging at a nationally franchised business that is solely counter service? I'm referring to eateries, not those fuckwads at Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts.

Hi, I just wanted to update everyone on the status of the situation involving a snow cone truck that was basically stealing money from kids. The original post is in the comments for reference.

There was a sizeable coalition of angry parents (most of us had to call in to work) that went up to the school and told the principal what has been happening after school involving kids being tricked into giving the owner "tips" but in reality was just stolen money.

The principal was appalled and contacted the truck owner. When he showed up, we issued our complaint and told him that he was stealing from kids. Although he denied the allegations, the principal brought each kid that wanted to speak down (separately and alone with principal and owner) to give a statement about what was going on. My daughter also told them what happened with her experience.

The school, with good reason, decided to terminate the contract with the truck owner and he gave back the extra money that was solicited from the kids.

Thank you all for the support.

Service charges are in no way any kind of substitute.

People somehow get it in their heads that a service charge that is the rate tipping once might have been (often 20%) is a solution or consequence of getting rid of tipping, and I mean getting rid of it, zero exceptions allowed. Not even legal to accept a tip if offered.

There are a number of reasons why this is incorrect. For one thing, you do not raise prices anything like X% in order to get enough money to change the pay of employees. Employees do not serve just one customer in an hour and any increase in pay necessary to pay them more remuneration is distributed over all the revenue the enterprise gets. They are supposed to be paid out of the common bank account of the enterprise, whatever the revenue or revenue per bill is. That is what a wage or salary inherently is.

Also, a service charge, tax, or any other fee for that matter which might be part of this (such as the ones related to compliance with some particular regulation or paying for health insurance or whatever other madness someone does), makes comparison shopping much harder to do. You are supposed to be able to know what one would pay even before getting in the shop, given menus and price lists are not secret, and in fact many places advertise what the price of something would be in advance. You know what other places charge in comparison, and competition will limit the degree anyone can raise a price. It can be so limiting in fact that it can make it impossible to fully offload the cost increase of employee pay to customers and can mean they have to save money internally like the profit margin or not redecorating something just to keep up with some fad. It isn't legitimate to have these as separate expenses delineated, the price you owe them is to be the entire cost of what you had bought and no more and no less.

I was spending an afternoon in Downtown Los Angeles over the weekend. From those of you that aren’t familiar with LA, it’s very common for many neighborhoods in the city to have street vendors on the sidewalks selling food (hot dogs, tacos, ice cream, etc).

I was feeling thirsty and there was a vendor selling flavored drinks made fresh fruit (traditionally Mexican drinks called Aguas Frescas).

I went ahead a purchased a strawberry drink and the price was $8 (which was already a ripoff) for a lukewarm drink. Unfortunately I had no cash on hand, so the lady pulled out a pocket sized tablet and charged my card the $8.

Then of course, the tip option came up and the options were ($1, $2, 3, Custom, or No Tip) obviously I went for the No Tip option as it is absurd to tip someone for simply filling me a cup of premade water. After the lady realized I left no tip, she snatched the device from me, and gave me my drink with an attitude and brushed me off.

I don’t understand why these businesses and vendors just don’t adjust their prices accordingly?!!! Like instead of asking for a $1 or $2 tip, just sell your product for $9 or $10!

These iPad/Touch screen POS devices are one of the worst things they’ve invented, as they automatically come programmed with the tip option, and have led many vendors and businesses owners to believe that they deserved to be tipped for doing the simplest task.

I attended an award dinner/fundraiser for a fellow nonprofit agency recently. It was hosted at a country club. Tickets were $125/pp.

The invite specified cash bar; no problem at all, from one NPO to another, I get it.

But the actual bar experience was odd. I ordered myself and my boss a drink, she told me the total ($19) and I handed her my card. She handed me the receipt to sign and said, “don’t worry, the gratuity is already included”, and the total bill was for about $23. The subtotal amount was listed, then a line for “tip” was printed with the tip amount already printed in.

There was a tip jar on the bar, which also was filled.

I have been to literally dozens of events similar to this and never seen tips at a cash bar handled this way.

I mentioned it to a colleague on the way out and he said, “Huh that’s weird. They don’t do that to me but I opened a tab so maybe it was different since I left cash tips for each drink.”

I half jokingly said, “are you sure?” So he pulled out his receipt and sure enough: his tab had gratuity added, AND he had been cash tipping all night. He was not happy.

Sucks that that experience might reflect poorly on the org hosting, not just the venue.