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Can this be fixed by a bike steel welder, can it be structurally sound?

Got a broken chain stay.

Really want to keep this bike.

Can this be steel welded buy a bike mechanic with welding skills?

Do we do this to older vintage bikes when this happens?
I'll assume that this welding will make it perfectly structurally sound.

What is the history of these actions?

u/l337g0g0 — 6 days ago

Guy shows his Chinese Ti frame being made in the factory. Take a look at the welds.

Tell me I am seeing welds that shouldn't look like that.

u/RidetheSchlange — 7 days ago

How long do I got?

Just noticed a crack on the seat cluster of my beloved Yuba supermarché cargo bike. The bike comes with a super long seatpost so while I never had it above the minimum mark, there is probably 2 ft of post showing. Doesn't help that I'm 6' 3", 190#.

Any sense how much time I have and whether it will catastrophically fail at some point?

u/biggsie89 — 8 days ago
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3d printed chain stay dimpling & tire fit tools

After watching a reel by @jeremyoungdesign, I decided to take a stab at this.
Note: Of course, it's not a real dimpling tool like the pros use. It's just a tool for greedy bike dudes to fit bigger tires on their bikes.

I learned a couple of things:

- I don't have enough woodworking tools to carve the base, so I came up with a solution: I split the support base in half and combined it with a piece of plywood. It turned out pretty well.

- To dimple an already-dimpled chainstay (most retro MTBs are already dimpled), a bigger die is easier to use—at least in my case, since I was using a 3D-printed die.

If you want to give it a try:
The dimpling tool
The tire fit tool

I’ve recorded me dimpled my Giant HL7400 frame here

Proceed at your own risk. DYOR.

u/NamasteMotherfucker — 9 days ago

Only wanting to do braze-ons, should I buy cartridges or the full oxy-propane setup?

Hey, I only want to do some simple braze-ons, at most a canti boss mount or a rack, would disposable cartridges (1.950 °C/3500F) do the job or should I invest in a full setup? Thanks!

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u/15695 — 6 days ago

Advices for my first Propane/Oxygen set up for fillet brazing a steelroad bike frame, Oxygen concentrator

Hi guys, I have been checking on various websites and youtube videos for all the necessary information for a proper Propane&Oxygen brazing set up, but I need the help of who has much more experience than me. I was thinking about propane because acetylane apparently is much worse for your safety and I'm not so sure if my insurance would cover it. The problem with propane, as far as I know is oxygen consumption (I've seen that the ratio of oxy/propane was around 4:1, but correct me if I'm wrong). Buying a 14L oxy-tank with a manometer here in Italy is around 220€ and refilling costs around 90€ (very expensive in the long run). To defeat this problem I've read in some framebuilding forums a few more experienced frame builders working with oxygen concentrators. The possibility to have preatty much unlimited oxygen is wonderfull and would make this hobby more financially bearable for me. So I did some research and I came upon a few issues:

  1. Do I need a 5 LPM or a 10 LPM oxygen concentrator? The big difference would be cost and availability. I found many 5 LPM O.C. used but in very good condition maybe at around 300€ on Ebay. The 10 LPM much much more expensive if I choose the medical brands (even more than 1200€), but at around 700€ from industrial suppliers of aquaculture equipment (but 2 months for shipping). What are your opinions on oxygen concentrators compared to oxygen tank set up? If you already have experiences with OC what are your advices and what information would you have loved to know beforehand buying those (like capability, purity, costs, ecc...)
  2. Tips sizes: I have no idea which size of torch tips I need. I already have a Oxyturbo Mini (Italian brand I think) as a torch handle. Some say a propane tip that goes at 100 liters per hour for the small tubes and braze-on, and 315 LPH for BB shell, but it seems there isn't really a objective thruth and is based on preferrence and habit. Which sizes do you advice me to buy that is really necessary at the beginning, but allows me to do everything.
  3. Tubes: are branded tubes really necessary?
  4. What kind of brazing goggles do I need?
  5. What size of propane tank is enough? I'm not so sure that the 4:1 oxygen/propane ratio is always true so based on what gas ratio u guys work with maybe I should invest in a bigger tank. What is the working gas proportion?

For now these are the main issues that came to my mind but I will ask more in the future. I hope you guys can give me some word of advice. I'm already looking at paul brodie youtube channel and some posts on bikeforum, but I still wanted some more precise information. Thank you for your time!

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u/Worried_Edge_7512 — 8 days ago
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How I'm Vibe-designing a carbon and steel-lugged bike with AI

TL;DR: I created this headtube design using AI and open source CAD and machine learning tools. I'm going to 3D print it as part of a bike I'm building.

PREAMBLE

I am a mechanical engineer by training, but have been working in software for the last 10 years. With the advances of AI tools and general availability of additive manufacturing, I decided to challenge myself to design a custom bike using 3d printed stainless steel lugs with carbon tubes. Because it's being 3d printed, I thought let me go a little nuts with the lugs.

Why steel? Because it's a hell of a lot cheaper than Ti and I decided not to care about the weight for a first project like this - just want to make sure it's strong enough for me to ride. I'm guesstimating the frame will be a chonky 7lbs.

I'll put links in the comment to a small site where you can see the headtube in 3d and the evolution of the design.

To be clear, this uses all open source CAD tools and most of the work is creating the optimization scripts that then run for hours (and hours and hours) on my 16GB M1 Macbook Air. However, I used GPT-6 Astra, Fable 5.1, and Opus 5.5 to actually design the part based on my prompting and write the optimization scripts.

So far, I have only finished the headtube, but the rest of the bike will come next.

I thought I'd share what I did to see if there are others who've done similar things and want to share notes.

PROCESS

  1. Decided on custom geometry - obviously I had to make sure the bike worked. I used Astra to help with this process and create a 3d model of what the final bike would look like. Initially I was going to make this a 32" bike, but I decided to only do 1 crazy thing at a time and designed around 700c wheels
  2. Once I was happy with the geo, I decided on tubes. I went with hefty bicycle tubes from Rockwood Composites. I like that they use 0, 90, and +/- 45 degree layups.
  3. Started to get the headtube lug ready then realized... wait I'm going to 3d print this, why not do something weird. So I decided to try my hand at topology optimization. Topology Optimization is where you have a model create an optimal shape around some constraints. In my case it had to pass strength, fatigue, and buckling requirements with a 20% safety factor.
  4. At this point I switched to Claude because I ran out of OpenAI credits. I had really good results with Claude. Cost vs quality was 🤌. I had Fable 5.1 design a topology optimization process. This used a custom finite-element code in Python to remove material and cut mass from a large solid that was the starting point. I basically froze the downtube and toptube sleeves and the bearing seats, then filled the rest of the space with metal that it could optimize around. It had to keep stress, buckling and alignment inside set limits for braking, lateral and vertical loads plus buckling.
  5. (Side note: the way that the optimization works is really cool! It cuts the part up into ~450000 3d solid elements. Then it applies loads to the part and measures the stress and strain of each element in the model. Then it has each element decide how full it should be (between 0% and 100%) based on how much stress it experienced. Then it iterates again and again thousands of times until it converges on a weight. This is how it went from a 9kg chunk to a ~500g chunk)
  6. A problem I ran into initially was that I didn't include a buckling condition in my part checks, and I let the agent run an excessively quick stress check, which underestimated the actual part stress. This allowed the branches to get really thin, so I added back a bunch of material and updated the optimization process to run a full stress check including buckling after each iteration epoch (batch of ~50 iterations).
  7. After an optimization pass, it would run a larger check of all the forces I expected the part to experience to verify that the part still passed my limits. If a part failed, then it would return to the previous iteration and try the optimization again.
  8. Once it converged (this took sometimes 16+ hours on my Mac running overnight), then it would show me the part in a viewer tool I had it create. I'd manually add/remove/or smooth material.
  9. We ran through the process above several times until we converged on a shape
  10. I had the agent do a final pass to smooth out the shape, add some extra material, and add some locator pins on the inside of the lug that I will use to align the carbon tubes with the lug during glue-up

My next step is to print the part in PLA to do a fit check with the carbon tubes.

I actually might do a full layup of this bike with the lugs in PLA with PVC pipe standing in for the carbon, just to figure out how I'm going to keep everything straight and get good bonding in the lugs.

If folks are interested, I'll continue posting as I continue the design and complete the build!

u/canuck_amok — 8 days ago

looking for Uk suppliers of cold drawn seamless carbon steel tubes!!

Hi everyone, im a pary of my universitys formula student team and we are looking for UK-based suppliers of cold drawn seamless (CDS) carbon steel tube and i thought this subreddit might help us!!!
the preferred grade is EN 10305-1 E355+C, or equivalents like ASTM A519 1026 or JIS G3445 STKM13B/C
any website or contact emails would be appreciated!!!

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u/CulturalHunt4296 — 7 days ago
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Spray paint or powder coat for lugged frame?

I love my 1989 Bianchi Campione d'Italia. Beautiful Columbus tubing throughout and Suntour Cyclone groupset. Smooth and crisp to ride. In recent years, the paint has started failing and there's creeping surface rust all over the frame. I'm going to repaint the frame & fork so I can keep riding.

Does anyone have experience with the pros and cons of powder coating vs. spray-painting a lugged frame? I know powder is much more durable, but I'm worried that the powder will obscure the details of the lugs and take away from the vintage steel look. I know spray has to be done right to look good and last, and I'm willing to put in the effort if it'll look better and be at least decently durable.

(For info, I'm gonna get the frame media-blasted to prep it. Then, I can either pay $150 for powder-coating, or I can do the spray paint myself.)

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u/Fair-Cress-1152 — 10 days ago

Changing chainstays ti

Hey, I’m not a builder myself, but I wanted to ask you guys first before I approach a builder with a specific question. Is there any chance of modifying the chainstays on an existing titanium bike to get more tire clearance? For example, could you cut the chainstays near the bottom bracket, widen them with a 3D-printed part and then weld everything back together? Please be gentle with me. Thank you in advance 🫸🫷

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u/FamiliarEstimate7357 — 11 days ago

Braze-on rear derailleur hanger

I've got a few basket case bikes which I want to refurbish, more for fun than anything else. I want to add derailleur hangers to a couple of them to go from single speed to a more usable 9-speed.

Are there any off-the-shelf braze-on hangers? I thought I could take a replaceable hanger and file it to fit, however I can only find those made out of aluminium, so no luck there. Or am I better off buying an M10x1.0 tap and rolling my own out of mild steel plate? Any ideas?

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u/GZrides — 10 days ago

Steel frame building material?

Hello everyone,

I wanted to ask what quality of steel is acceptable to use for frame building. I mean I understand not to use steel plumbers piping. But does it have to be Reynolds or Columbus steel?

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u/Ok-Afternoon-3494 — 11 days ago