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TIL: Heisman winners drought for Hall of Fame
TIL the longest drought between Heisman winners that eventually were inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame is now (nobody since 1997 winner Charles Woodson has made it in).
Derrick Henry will break that streak (2015 winner) and make it 18 years when he's inducted.
The previous longest was only 9 years (1988 Barry Sanders to 1997 Charles Woodson).
Members of both (10):
- 1948 Doak Walker
- 1956 Paul Hornung
- 1963 Roger Staubach
- 1968 OJ Simpson
- 1976 Tony Dorsett
- 1977 Earl Campbell
- 1981 Marcus Allen
- 1987 Tim Brown
- 1988 Barry Sanders
- 1997 Charles Woodson
Guys that were notable but won't make it in:
- 1998 Ricky Williams (good player, 10000 rushing yards, but not good enough)
- 2002 Carson Palmer (almost won an MVP)
- 2005 Reggie Bush (0.0% chance he gets in)
- 2007 Tim Tebow (100% chance if the Hall of Fame was actual fame and not accolades)
- 2009 Mark Ingram (not good enough)
- 2010 Cam Newton (actually has a >0% chance but no)
- 2013 Jameis Winston (I guess technically he could still play a long time and miraculously make the streak 16 years)
How big is the gap between prime Aaron Rodgers and prime Patrick Mahomes?
Didn’t the niners get sonned by both teams en route to the Super Bowl ?
Can you name any QB in history who has choked away more top defenses than Lamar?
People always talk about how protected Herbert and Allen are by the media, but Lamar's rosters have been better almost every year of his career and he barely gets any blame for his chokes.
---2018 Ravens: #2 scoring defense, #1 total defense, #1 yards per play defense.
2018 Lamar in the playoffs vs LAC: 2 touchdowns, 2 turnovers, 48% completion%, 78.8 passer rating.
Lamar was a rookie, so you can't blame him too hard, but it still counts here, he was ass.
---2019 Ravens: #3 scoring defense, #4 total defense, #7 yards per play defense.
2019 Lamar in the playoffs vs TEN: 1 touchdown, 3 turnovers, 52.5% completion%, 63.2 passer rating.
Unanimous MVP and turns in such a pathetic performance as the #1 seed. Insane choke
---2022 Ravens*: #3 scoring defense, #11 total defense, #14 yards per play defense.
*Lamar did get injured after 12 games, which is part of why the defense slipped later in the season. He staged a contract holdout in the playoff game vs the Bengals where Snoop Huntley recorded better playoff stats than Lamar ever had. Lamar's selfish holdout wasted another defense.
---2023 Ravens: #1 scoring defense, #6 total defense, #1 yards per play defense.
2023 Lamar in the playoffs vs KC: 1 touchdown, 2 turnovers, 54.1% completion%, 75.5 passer rating.
His biggest choke yet, one of the best teams statistically of all time, may be the best to never win it and Lamar is the biggest reason why. That AFCCG was in Baltimore and featured the infamous "team meeting" interception.
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Lamar's offense average points scored in all of these losses with his top defenses: 12.0
For perspective:
-----Average points scored by offense in playoff losses-----
Stroud: 13.3
Lamar: 13.4
Herbert: 15.0
Manning: 15.2
Goff: 19.2
Hurts: 19.5
Burrow: 20.0
Mahomes: 21.5
Rodgers: 21.9
Dak: 22.8
Allen: 24.6
-----Average points allowed by defense in playoff losses-----
Lamar: 22.4
Burrow: 23.0
Stroud: 26.0
Herbert: 26.3
Manning: 27.1
Goff: 30.0
Dak: 30.8
Hurts: 31.0
Mahomes: 32.0
Rodgers: 33.2
Allen: 33.2
I'm not sure people realize how much trouble the Eagles are in
The Eagles have been one of the main teams borrowing from New Orleans' playbook of converting money into signing bonuses and then adding void years to make cap space. It works great until the unexpected happens (like having the most irreplaceable player on your roster suddenly retire out of nowhere). Now rent is due and now for all you people saying Jalen Hurts is elite and better than Dak, it's time for that to get put to the test because Jalen Hurts' contract is pure poison if he regresses at all.
Bucs vs Cowboys
I'm taking the Bucs 27-13 over the Cowboys.
Who ya got?
Name some of the best players whose prime years were wasted on hysterically incompetent teams and front offices. I’ll start…
Fun fact in NFL history (Day 37): The fewest pass attempted in modern NFL history (post-2000) by a winning team is 3.
Mac Jones attempted only three passes during a 14-10 win for the New England Patriots over the Buffalo Bills on December 6, 2021, on Monday Night Football.
Extreme wind gusts over 40 mph at Highmark Stadium forced a heavy reliance on the running game.
Jones completed 2 of 3 passes for 19 yards with zero touchdowns and zero interceptions.
The Patriots ran the ball 46 times for 222 yards, led by Damien Harris (111 yards) and Rhamondre Stevenson (78 yards).
Are the Raiders’ secretly recreating the 2017 Chiefs’ formula?
Week 5 NFL viewing guide
Thankfully this graphic is more readable than some of the other ones have been lately. Battle of the defeated this week. With an epic Jamies Winston vs Athan Kaliakmanis.
EDIT: I didn't know "five" was likely to play against NYG so move them to "could be interesting" right in between Steelers @ Colts and Browns @ Jets