r/TheHandmaidsTale

>!Let me count allllll the ways I love that the show seems to be making the most of the homonym Eyes/ICE in this episode. When Agnes screamed, "You called the Eyes?!" I legit gasped. The way that team just swarmed in with completely covered faces, and then threw Becka in a dark van and kidnapped her away.... I wanted to stand up and clap.!<

Aren't they both police? Is a guardian more of a security guard?

No disrespect to Margaret Atwood or to anyone who likes the book, the story is a good coming-of-age about sisterhood, but let me fealing like the story is incomplete, we keep being told in the epilogues of both books that Gilead is going to fall thanks to the main character's actions, but we are never shown it

In my opinion, the first book is am importan pice of literature, the sequel is just fine, and to be honest, apart from Aunt Lydia's backstory, very forgettable

I hope the show lets us see Giliad be destroyed

Please tell me your opinion on the book. I have no one in my life that have read it, so I would love to talk about it with you guys

I rewatched the episode nine with clear eyes this morning and I have a theory for you guys

I think that the ‘eyes’ as shown on the last part of episode nine it’s the Martha’s…Rosa and other women who may have helped in angels flight etc. And the scene from the trailer where you can see June say ‘ you don’t know who I am young lady or what I have been through’ it’s her possibly having a conversation with Becka and then revealing that she is Agnes his real mum

It was stuck in my head so I had to track down what the song is called. Such a nice song

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&gt;!I’m so afraid that poor Becka will be lobotomized!<

&gt;!The early seasons of Handmaids Tale were filled with gruesome punishments for fertile women who were needed alive for their wombs only. Janine could still make babies without her eye. Emily could still make babies without her cl!toris.!<

&gt;!”You need help, Becka. They’re taking you to a doctor.”!<

&gt;!They may say poor Becka has lost her mind, but they won’t let her womb go to waste. So they will lobotomize her and transition her into a handmaid. !<

&gt;!Perhaps Agnes’ parents’ own handmaid!!<

&gt;!Becka would smile and look right through the love of her life, not even recognizing her, not understanding that she’d lost her soul…!<

I know there are some opinions around Shu, but as the season progresses it is clear she’s a good friend. Sure she’s a lot a times, but she keeps it real (well as real as she can considering her warped reality) and will cover for her friends and protect them, even if she does have an attitude about it. And, I’m really loving her arc.

The way she apologized to Daisy, made it very clear that she wasn't just sorry for not being in the room, but that she KNEW it might happen. Given how A Vidala treat Hulda and tried to treat Daisy, Estee response is not aligned with how the other Aunts responded (seemingly aunt Lydia as well, but we know thats not actually true because of what Agnes says in her narration).

So I am left to believe that Aunt Estee was an earlier victim when she was a pearl girl transitioning to Aunthood. Its not established in the show. But in the book the aunts do see the dentist. So its feasible.

Spoilers through Episode 9.

I have a theory that Becka is still going to end up in a wedding dress, but not because her original match with Garth continues normally. I think she may be married off to the drunk guy from the matchmaking ball as a punishment.

The show made a point of telling us that the guy who got Becka drunk at the ball still hadn’t been matched. That feels too specific to be a throwaway detail, especially this late in the season. In a story where marriage matches are one of the main forms of control, an unmatched man hanging around feels intentional.

Also, Dr. Grove’s death may actually be politically convenient for Gilead. Judd was already looking for a way to deal with him. Grove seemed to think Judd would save him, but the conversation between Lydia and Judd made it feel pretty clear that Judd was ready to drop him if necessary. Grove was a liability because of the abuse allegations, especially once multiple girls’ stories started lining up.

So, Becka killing him creates a problem, but it also solves one.

Gilead probably does not want to make a big public spectacle out of Grove’s murder, because then people might ask why Becka killed him. And the answer would lead straight back to the abuse. It is much cleaner for them to quietly bury the whole thing, pretend the institution handled it, and then punish Becka in a way that restores control without exposing the scandal.

That’s where the marriage comes in.

If they execute Becka or publicly punish her, they risk making her motive visible. But if they marry her off quickly, especially to a worse match, they can frame it as the restoration of discipline and order. It lets Gilead look like it is doing something while actually doing nothing about the abuse.

I also think Daisy being made a green matters here. If Daisy is now technically eligible, and Garth is Mayday, it would make sense for Aunt Lydia/Mayday to maneuver Daisy closer to Garth instead. That could mean Becka loses her original match and gets reassigned to the drunk guy. Garth becomes useful to Daisy’s escape plot, while Becka gets punished by being handed to someone awful.

So my prediction is:

Becka still appears in the wedding dress.
The wedding plot still happens or gets very close to happening.
But she is not marrying Garth.
She is being married off to the drunk guy as punishment.

It would be very convenient for Gilead: the man’s abuse gets buried, the girl who reacted to it gets disciplined, and the institution gets to pretend everything is back to normal.

I think Agnes has a tiger. I love seeing them with the keychains, a bit of whimsy in their dystopia

(I don’t think this is a spoiler. It was automatically labeled)

Is it just me or do the eyes that took Becca look like women (in shape, obviously. I’m aware they’re cloaked lol). Maybe it’s just me who feels like they look like that? It would be pretty much against the established rules of this Gilead world that women would be eyes. Ik there are exceptions for aunts with the stuff they are allowed to do/ participate in but to have women as a sort of executioner/ law enforcement seems far fetched. Unless maybe this happens more than people know and there is specific conditioning/program for this sort of thing. Murdering the father seems far from forgivable, or something that can be cured or dealt with. I mean the Menendez brothers did that to their parents following years of abuse and it wasn’t forgiven in America, so how tf could it be washed away in this world. Idk

Specifically, the “Eyes” who took Becka away were wearing clothing very similar to what the Greens wore during Agnes’ pool initiation ceremony.

Hooded robe, mask, gloves, and all.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence and I think it’s a clue that Becka was taken by a group of women.

I don’t care that it’s not logical.
I don’t care that it doesn’t make sense.

That impulsive decision at the dentist without consideration for the consequences it would have on other people and then her defending her decision to her handler was exactly some shit June would pull.

lol girl is too much like June.
I will not be accepting logic based on current facts we’ve been given/or assumptions being made about those facts at this time.

Thank you for your understanding.
lol.

Repost of my post that was deleted for the title:

If becka was a man she would be considered a hero

If a male character who grew up in a society where there are no jails and sexual crimes are only resolved with mutilation or death, and that character found out that his father sexually abused the love of his life and responded by killing him, it would be seen as romantic heroism in the context of the story.

Ive seen people say it does not make sense for her character, but it does- she loves Agnes, she does not want this life set up for her and is not motivated to pursue it and protect her future, she has already expressed her desire to run away with Agnes.

She has been told and shown her whole life that what God wants for these kind of men is violent punishment or death, she was totally rational in believing she was doing the right thing, doing God's will, and being brave.

It makes sense she wasnt close with her father, at best he saw her as a pet or accessory with how he abused girls (however i disagree with the notion of him abusing her in the show even though it happened in the book).

At worst she acted impulsively, not considering how this could have a negative outcome for her, but she is still a child. Thats kind of what they are known for.

In summary if there are children raised to be religious zealots accustomed to relgiously justified violence you can't be surprised that someone will react violently to a situation like this, especially when passionate love is involved.

I googled it because I was trying to remember exactly when season one came out. Me and my wife both independently guessed 2012 and we both seem to remember surrounding events from that time period coinciding with season 1, and we didn't even know each other then. Are we going crazy? I guess we a because why would Wikipedia be wrong. Does anyone else feel like it's been out forever?

Shunammite saying "Sketch it! We'll last longer." I laughed. How would she know that phrase? Also to change it to sketch it, instead of take a picture. It made me wonder if she even knows what a camera or a picture is. They have cameras because I remember Fred, Serena and June's picture being taken for the propaganda to get Nicole back. But I've never seen a picture on anyone's walls. Everyone has paintings, no photographs.

It's so weird to me that they don't have a way to instantly document things like cameras as keepsakes. Especially so people can look back fondly on things when they don't feel so great about living under the oppressive regime.

Last night episode was a whirlwind!

I saw it coming earlier in the season that becka was gonna be the one to snap or have a breakdown.

However what I wanted to point out was the line that dr grove said to becka at the dinner table -

"I never touched that pearl girl"

He doesn't say "I would never do something like that! Or

"What kind of person do you think I am"

He simply states that he hadn't touched Daisy. It's a classic,

Admit what you can't Deny , but DENY what you can't admit.

Also he comes out the gate simply calling her sinful/ slutty. (Attacking her character instead of building his own defense -