r/falloutlore

One of the more notable pieces of lore to come from fallout two is Richard Moraeu/Gray having been a vault-born, vault eight, specifically. He would live to see the people exit the vault, and be exiled not much longer.

Fast-forward about thirty years, the Master has began forming the basis of the super-mutant army. By another thirty years time, he has more than learnt that Vault-Subjects often produce the best mutants, hence the take-over of Vault 17, and every mutant, even the idiot Harry, having orders to capture pures, that is to say, vaultborn or similar.

So..Gray knows about Vault Eight. It was his home, its possible he spent most of his life there before the mutation. Did he consider them too tainted by life on the wasteland? Was he not the type for revenge? Or would be attacking the nascent Vault City be a move so massive as to alert the rest of New California to super-mutants?

These are the two excerpts we get about NCR High Command

"You will not be assigned replacements until High Command can figure out where the hell to pull replacements from. You have my sympathies, Major. Signed, Scheppman, Andy Assignments Office." - Forlorn Hope Mandate

"I've seen the reports of this so-called "Caesar's Legion". It sounds like they're just another bunch of raiders, but the higher-ups back west seem to think they're a serious threat." - NCRF Terminals

With these combined we can see the NCR High Command is both afraid of the Legion and is struggling to find men to send to Forlorn Hope. I also think the implication that the higher ups are struggling to find men to send to Forlorn Hope is also an implication they cannot find men for the Mojave. I also think it is important to consider that if the NCR army was quite large in the home territories the NCR high command would have no reason for fear.

That is not to say they couldn't raise more men, but I believe the current army size is constrained by the senate. Just like the real U.S Government.

"He mustered the troops as many as his senate would allow and sent them in. All the right reasons, done all the wrong ways." - Caesar

But where is the rest of the NCR army? I believe they are controlling the other 300 miles down the Colorado river across from Legion territory, Baja, other territories, and the rest of NCR territory.

Let me know what you think of this interpretation if you believe it is the intended one by the developers or if there is evidence of large NCR reserves elsewhere.

I'm trying to create a best-case scenario for the Yes Man ending and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with the Crimson Caravan Company and Van Graffs. At first glance, killing all of them makes the most sense since it weakens the NCR's position in the Mojave. But in the quest Beyond the Beef, if the courier fails to convince Heck Gunderson to not cut off trade with the Strip then the following can be heard on the radio: "Food shortages and mass starvation are plaguing Freeside and the Strip in the wake of a sharp reduction in the area's beef supply." In another quest, Cpl. William Farber at Camp McCarran points you towards Blake at the Crimson Caravan Company to work out a deal so that the troopers stationed there can finally eat some meat for once. So my question is, does the Strip rely entirely on the Crimson Caravan Company for food or is there another source that I'm not aware of?

On a related note, I might as well resolve Hard Luck Blues in favor of the Vault 34 survivors since there will be no NCR to maintain the farms and the Strip doesn't really have the civilian infrastructure to maintain them either.

Is tempeny actually from other continent, or is he just telling you stuff because he just doesnt want to.share his life or wants to make himself look like an adventurer?

Judging by the lines of Senior Scribe Vree, Mariposas existence was something of a toss-up even in the Brotherhood of Steel only a single life removed from the time of its use. However, following the actions of the Vault Dweller and the short lived war with the unity, wouldn't its existence become obvious, even with the self destruction?

Maybe the Vault-Dweller hadn't gone public with its existence and the Brotherhood simply looked over the wrong crest. Then, in the aftermath of the Enclave reopening it, shouldn't New California be experiencing a similar mutant problem as it was that prompted the initial Richard Gray expedition? Its vats still exist, nothing other than the mutants you aren't forced to kill (Who reasonably should be travelling with the other unity warbands, or at least acting as local raiders.) impede an animals access to it.

Now, in the modern day, Mariposas existence should be even more obvious than ever. I find it hard to imagine the Unity warbands you meet in Fallout Two lurking around quite a bit of the late-game areas not having any idea where Mariposa is, especially because they're night-kin. Have the NCR never explored directly west of the namesake city?

Lastly, if it is occupied, who by? Is the NCR enforcing a quarantine or making use of it as a bioweapon? Have the Super-Mutants of New California returned to it? We know FEV can be made in the post-war if the institute (& Enclave, & Dr. Westen Loko somehow just having some w/ him) are any indication, so it seems like their holy grail to fix the oncoming extinction problem. Maybe it was the Brotherhood, and the NCR trying to push to it is what triggered the war in the first place.

Anyways, any answers or lines that could indicate to an endpoint for Mariposa? It seems like one of the most valuable places in America, if not the world.

Why is Fallout Brotherhood of Steel considered non-canon while Fallout Tactics is considered soft canon? It’s not something I’ve ever looked into and was wondering if Bethesda made some kind of statement, there’s something Fallout 3 and beyond that rejects Texas, or something else entirely.

SO, horses, we know they basically don't exist in Fallout (yes there's the alleged Avellone email but that's not backed up firmly by actual people, with general statements being more 'implementing them would be technically difficult and raise questions so we didn't).

Except.

Well, in Fallout 3, Broken Steel...terminal entries from the poor bastard running the show repeatedly mention mules.

You know. The sterile offspring of horses and donkeys.

Which would imply the Capital Wasteland has horses and donkeys. Somewhere.

Either that or mules exist and somehow became fertile (or something. Look radiation is weird).

I dunno, I just was wiki-crawling and found these entries and now it's a hilarious complication in one of the oldest lore bits generated pretty much entirely from two lines in a random terminal entry.

The Brotherhood conserves technology, not wildlife!

No genuinely, this makes no sense whatsoever.

Over the course of the various games we have seen various strains of FEV and different Super Mutants. Some are intelligent, some are dumb as bricks, some become giant hulking monsters that are completely inarticulate.

But we all know that originally FEV was meant to make super soldiers that were meant to be superior to humans in every way. Stronger sure but also more intelligent.

However, super mutants in Fallout 4 and 76 look very irregular. They all lack hair, and their muscles are very irregular in shape. Likely from the forced nature of their growth.

Vergil and West coast Super Mutants remain intelligent. But Vergil complained he lost finer motor controls due to his larger and less dextrous body. West coast Super Mutants seem to really only mention an issue with infertility from what little I know from the older games prior to New Vegas. Seeing as NCR has Super Mutant members (there was even a cut super mutant ranger from what I hear). Neil is highly articulate. The nightkin are crazy but fully capable of speech.

But what exactly would a perfect super mutant look like? If the evolution was more controlled or tame?

Perhaps the mutations could be relaxed or inhibited to only partially take in order to have a more easy acceptance or perhaps even just reduce the strain on the body and prevent the more disastrous effects.

I'm on my first Fallout 4 playthrough and I absolutely love it.

But walking through the commonwealth made me notice how little fauna has survived. Yes, I know, game and time restrictions.

So I wondered, what other animals would you add?

I vote for the humble and noble pig. A staple at everyone's BBQ and it was mass produced.

So, i would add 2 variations: the Domesticated Porker or Rad-Pork, originated from farm pigs.

A thick leathery pale rose hide and a set of tusks. People would breed them for meat but also use them to let them dig up soil for planting crops.

The porker's hardened snout and its tusks are phenomenal for digging in soil.

They are almost blind and rely on their sense of smell.

Porkers can basically eat anything and don't get sick of iradiated dirt and crops.

Then there is the Razorback. Originating from feral pigs or wild hogs, their name ain't just for the tuft of hairs on their back anymore.

Instead those are chitinous scales that go along the back of the animal.

They are a bit smaller than a brahmin and they roam the wastelands in packs.

Their tusks are long, sharp and jagged and grow their whole life.

These critters are not to be trifled with and they can easily gut you and tear you into ribbons.

From my understanding (and knowing this sub I'll get either screamed at or gently nudged if I'm wrong) the issue alot of people have with BOS besides the story is that it's supposedly just... God awful at keeping with established lore? As if they saw what was already there and just kinda went "yeah that's cool but have you tried.. Not caring?"

TL:DR What exactly are the issues with the lore and if it isn't lore then what's the issues with the story in general

When watching the Fallout TV series, I found it weird that the Lost Hills chapter was nowhere to be found and was never mentioned at all, and instead there was this new chapter called the Knights of San Fernando.

So here's my harebrained crackpot theory on the Knights of San Fernando.

The Knights of San Fernando could be the same chapter as Lost Hills, having just been radicalized into a religious cult sometime between Fallout 2 and the TV show. After Shady Sands was destroyed and the NCR was pushed out of the region sometime around 2283, the chapter could've abandoned Lost Hills and relocated to the airfield outside San Fernando, eventually adopting the name of their new home.

There's actually a tiny bit of evidence for this.

The Lost Hills Chapter is never actually addressed by name in Fallout 4 (2287), only ever being referred to as "the West Coast Brotherhood." The Knights of San Fernando are seemingly the most powerful chapter on the West Coast, so this could be referring to them. To my knowledge, Lost Hills isn't referred to by name in Fallout 3 (2277) or Fallout: New Vegas (2281) either, only ever being referred to as the Western or Californian Brotherhood. That could mean the Lost Hills Chapter transitioned into the Knights of San Fernando decades ago.

Honestly though, the more likely answer is that the Knights of San Fernando are just a splinter chapter of Lost Hills (like every other Brotherhood chapter) that left the bunker and, for whatever reason, ended up outlasting their predecessor and becoming the dominant chapter in New California. This doesn't necessarily mean they're the same chapter, still a cool idea though.

Now I don’t have a lot of basis for this, my only credit to this theory is all the crashed spaceships we find. I mean someone has to be shooting them down, and the only other group we know is connected to space are the enclave. I’m opening this to see if anyone else knows any other evidence that points towards or against this theory.

So given that the Church of Atom has spilled into other regions (Boston), and that these followers have since turned into violent extremists (They attack you on sight outside of the crator in the Glowing Sea, and the Nucleaus is certainly hostile to any outsiders), what does this mean for the Capital Wasteland which is where it originated from?

Have they completely become the dominant faction in the region, outpacing the local Brotherhood of Steel in terms of presence and numbers? Would they come to see Project Purifier as an affront to Atom, since it is cleaning the radiation away from the water dilluting their gods presence?

1. Oil starts to run out.

2. The US leaves NATO and becomes isolationist.

3. The Soviet Union, Western European alliance, and Middle East destroy each other.

4. A now defenseless Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea is easily conquered by China. China then invades Alaska with a massive military force as Alaska was the last place on earth with the largest known oil reserve. This gives the US justification to annex Canada. Canadians who protest American rule are killed on the spot.

5. In an attempt to find an alternative to oil, America had already invented nuclear fusion and implemented the tech into their war machines including armored vehicles and a super heavy body armor known as power armor allowing them to take back Alaska.

6. Nuclear fusion would have saved the world from it's energy crisis but the technology was still new and expensive meaning it could not be scaled immediately for global use.

7. China responds to their defeat in Alaska by launching bio weapons against American military units and civilian populations.

8. America responds by invading mainland China itself after defeating the Chinese navy in a brutal war over the Pacific. The Chinese commit scorched earth warfare in Taiwan, Japan, and Korea to prevent America from using them.

9. America starts its counter bio weapons research program in California, the fearsome Forced Evolutionary Virus. The goal was to turn soldiers into "super humans" that were immune to pathogens and more physically capable than regular humans.

10. Mice, dogs, and chimpanzees weren't enough, the US needed actual human test subjects. US government starts human experimentation on Chinese prisoners of war, Canadian dissidents, and criminals. Thousands of human test subjects were now subjected to brutal experiments and death from the initial tests. The US government also poisoned water in small Appalachian towns with the virus to see it's effects. When Americans in those small towns were turning into mutants due to the virus, the US quarantined the towns, arrested everyone, and threw them into underground labs for research.

11. In an attempt to turn the tide of war, China had alreadt invented invisibility cloaking and sends in invisible spies to sabotage America's war effort/industry and they are able to use bio weapons on American military installations and civilian populations more effectively. One of the Chinese bioweapon is a modified smallpox virus made by the Soviets that was killing millions of Americans as there was no vaccine against this artificial strain of smallpox.

12. Hearing what was occuring back home, US troops in China begin gunning down Chinese civilians as revenge. US government also starts shipping captured Chinese civilian populations to be used as test subjects. Hell and chaos erupts, society and order starts to collapse as the war intensify, death toll rises, and atrocities are committed by all fronts

13. China's fleet of stealth/invisible submarines are still relatively untouched. Fearing defeat might be near, they are ordered to sail for America.

14. The US military with nuclear fusion equipped weapons allows them to defeat any conventional Chinese forces thrown at them as they close in on Beijing. A single American soldier inside of power armor could take down hundreds of Chinese troops or several Chinese tanks by himself before going down.

15. The Forced Evolutionary Virus research is now going well after tens of thousands of subjects had died. Test subjects became mutants but they were immune to the diseases and torture that's inflicted on them by the US scientists and saw rapid cell regeneration.

16. US troops guarding the perimeters of the research lab had been kept dark about human experimentation but when they discovered what was going on, the captain in charge who was one of the few left on earth that still had any morals deemed it a human rights violation. The scientists who were sanctioned by the US government to test on humans were rounded up and executed. The captain and his unit declares secession and waits for a final battle/death against the US government but..

17. Refusing to surrender or be defeated as Beijing was about to fall, the CCP orders their stealth submarine fleet who had by now surrounded America's west and east coast to launch their nukes on all major US cities/towns.

18. America launches nukes back at China as the CCP and US government both go into hiding. Billions die from the war and it's aftermath from famine and lack of medicine. Knowing that the world had ended, the captain and his unit at the research facility salvaged what they could, took in any civilians that would follow them, abandoned the base, and established the Brotherhood of Steel.

I’ve always wanted to do videos where I use established lore as a foundation, then branch into discussing possibilities or making evidence-based speculation about things the games never fully answer.

For example: How did each generation after the bombs think, survive, and adapt? Or what might everyday life have looked like between the Great War and 2277?
Obviously I’d be very clear about what’s canon and what’s speculation.

Would that be something you’d enjoy, or would you rather lore videos stick strictly to confirmed canon?