I'm just trying to figure out how much time I'll need to get set up with Jay too in terms of introductory meetings, getting familiarized with everything etc. I was thinking of taking one week off of J1, but do you think that would be enough time? I'm not sure if I'll be able to take two full weeks off of J1
I start at a new J1 tomorrow, and got an offer for J2 last Friday afternoon. J2 seems to be flexible on start date, but only for a matter of weeks, not months. Would it be crazy to OE after only having J1 for 2 or 3 weeks? This would also be my first time OEing.
Both are remote jobs, I've been in the industry for 8 years so I know the routines. At J1 I will be the only person doing what I do. At J2 I would be on a team with 2 other people to spread the workload.
J1 general engineering(ish). Younger guy always jumps at the opportunity for travel to the customer and does the boring time consuming stuff. Manager always sicks me on the "hard stuff" which is easy for me and then even easier with AI now.
J2 SWE as contractor (intentionally not FTE) except I have a decade of experience in the target market, this probably consumes the most of my time, not that the job is hard but the tickets are always super badly scoped/specified. I've recently been pushing back one sentence tickets that really should be an epic of their own. Mgmt actually siding with me there bc it creates so much extra work that never delivers.
J3 I fly planes, like 3-4 days/mo max, its a job based on seniority and late career is great pay and would make a fun "retirement job" so I'm keeping my foot in the door. If I leave I'll never come back to that industry. I sit right seat which pays way less but my seniority in that seat is top 10% so my schedule is always prime and junior guys jump to pick up parts of my schedule consistently.
J4 The new one, oncall, same industry technically as J2 but completely different target customers. It's a role that covers later hours and weekends, at the last company I did this at was crazy easy. Downside is now I have 0 days off a month.
What I do well about OE:
What I don't do so well with OE:
J2 knows about J1 and J3 but doesn't care I deliver something for them that the rest of the company just doesn't. The project I've been working on is the first one actually generating revenue.
J1 handbook has no stipulation against OE as long as it doesn't provide a "conflict of interest" but J4 is all after hours/weekends, all the other J are completely different industries and job titles from itself.
Obviously there is the risk of J4 reaching out to J1 finding out I still work there months in and I get fired from both. I mean whatever there's still 2 others.
I have a specific question. First of all, I did freeze my work number account. My specific situation is my job 1 is from July 2018 to September 2023. Job 2 is from November 2023 to now.
What should do with my resume?
What should I do with my background check employment dates ?
What about the w2s ?
I recently started J3 last week. They give you 30 days to elect benefits, however I already have health insurance through J1. Here’s the situation:
Pay: J2 > J1 > J3
J1: Company pays 100% of health insurance. We elect benefits every December. However, they are really struggling and may go bankrupt. Lay offs coming end of this month.
J2: Waived health insurance back in February because I already have insurance with J1. Costs $59 per paycheck if I did enroll. Paid weekly.
J3: 23 days left to elect or waive. Cost is $30/paycheck. Paid weekly. They elect every March after that.
If I get laid off from J1 after the 23 days to enroll in J3 benefits, I won’t have an option to elect insurance until February. I want to ride out J1 until the very end.
Does anyone have experience with private plans? Would really appreciate some advice.
I have been a long time lurker and I want to start OE.
A little bit about me:
20 years experience in IT - mostly as a data engineer at all levels. I was with one company for 17 years and after they got acquired I knew company wouldn’t be there long so I moved to a different company. At the new company I am at a principal level but after busting my ass for 3 years and bringing a lot of projects to fruition I don’t think I will be promoted to the next level. I am beginning to realize that I have been swimming against the tide.
Why I want to OE:
Make a little more money. Pay off the house. Save more for retirement. Doing all this while not worrying about AI/Outsourcing at J1.
Questions:
- I don’t want to put my current J1 in my resume. I was thinking of putting my previous job which I worked till 2023. I was doing grad school part time from 2022 to 2025. I was thinking of putting grad school and career break till 2025. And from 2025 to 2026 I was going to say I worked for a stealth startup that folded. Do you think this is a good approach ?
- I was going to downgrade my job titles and not mention my undergrad year and create a separate OE resume with a variation of my name . Is this normal ?
- I created a different LinkedIn profile with a variation of my name. I was going to put this in my OE resume while I inactivate my actual LinkedIn profile. Is this the accepted way ?
- job verification wise: if I get selected I was going to put my actual name instead of the resume name. Would this create a problem ?
To do list:
- checked out my TWN account. Will be freezing that soon
- opening a new checking account
Thanks a lot for your help.
I got a job where employer is doing first advantage and Pareton bcg. My problem is, i was OE for 4 years. Now down to only J1 which is FTE. I only listed J2 on my resume because its a contract 1099. In the BCG should I mention both J1 and J2 during the same duration? My TWN shows J2 only which is FTE, not J1. I have frozen my TWN last year though. Does anyone have experience with the bcg companies first advantage and Pareton? Please please DM me.
As a resume writer, I talk to a lot of people mid job search. There's something I see a lot of and I'm wondering if it holds outside of my experience.
Under roughly $80k, almost nobody brings up balance. Every conversation is comp, then title, then comp again. Somewhere around $120-130k it flips. Suddenly the first questions are remote policy, PTO, whether the manager emails on weekends...
Part of me thinks it's just Maslow with a paycheck (the pyramid thing from Psych 101). Hard to care about boundaries when rent eats half your income. But I've also worked with people at $250k who still answer Slack at 11pm, so the ceiling clearly isn't universal.
So where was the line for you? Actual number if you're willing to share. Trying to figure out if this is a salary thing or a got-burned-once thing.
Got 2 job offers. My plan is to accept both.
For negotiating, should I tell each company that I have a competing offer? Do I mention company names or OE stance is to never mention names, even in negotiations?
My feeling is they won't take the other offer seriously without a name. Also I froze TWN months ago
I am new to this and I'm trying to figure out how to balance everything without blowing it. J1 will eventually wind down due to layoffs but I figure I have at least another 6 months, possibly one year before that happens. As of now I work 1/2 days in the mornings and then my afternoons are mostly free with the occasional extended work day. I work remotely. J2 is also remote and new. I'm still kind of learning the ropes at this new company. J2 will become my main full time job so it's important I don't drop the ball on anything. For those who are experienced with juggling multiple jobs, how do you do manage everything without your work performance suffering or your boss picking up on things that don't seem quite right?
Hello,
I’m wondering if a Checkr employee or HR can help me here.
I’m doing my employment background check - I don’t want my old company to be contacted so I’m using documentation to prove old employment instead. Is it okay if I scan paper copies and upload these?
Also am I okay to blur out my old salary, as I don’t want the new company to know what I previously earned (on the actual Checkr form before submitting documentation it says it’s optional to disclose old salary on the web form where you fill out details but I don’t want to void my PDF)- are salaries and copies of submitted documentation given to my new employer?
And will they honor it if I don’t want my old employer to be contacted?
Been w my company for just under 10 years. I do not want my j0 being contacted and I know a rule is to not list the current job. But given it’s been my only role for that long… am I looking at creating an LLC to even start this process?? Or quit j0 (which is tough to do)? Find two new jobs at once?
do any of you run a custom laptop setup for driving multiple Js from one laptop ?
Has 2Js for 8 months now. Total comp 150k. Happy life.
Then suddenly at J2, i was invited to a meeting with my manager + hr. Boom, you are affected by organisational restructuring. I was speechless. Business is growing strong and making good profit, i never imagine my role could suddenly be eliminated.
I still have J1, im holding on to this job with my dear life. But im glad i made the crazy decision to try work both J. Now that im being laid off from J2 really got me spiralling thinking “what if that was my only job, how fucked am i”
Im glad i found OE.
But plot twist,
For past 8 months, i consistently use all my extra income in attempt to make more money by investing. With leverage. And i lost it all. Pain. €30k savings gone.
Im not sure what the lesson here is. But im gonna start really focusing at my life and living a slow life and stop trading and be grateful that i atleast still have a job and bounce back from this.
If i ever get an opportunity for a new J2, i will be more careful with my savings.
There's been this blissful and blessed period of time between when AI suddenly reached decent productivity advantages and cost-effectiveness, and was still too scary and unknown for the public at large.
We could leverage it and be even more productive and OE with more grace and latitude than during earlier years.
Now I feel like this is coming to and end... Everybody is picking it up, for now with sometimes lackluster results, but I'm sure they'll get there and the margin will slim. I even have some customers where I specifically tasked to get everybody onboard and get more productive with AI. I can't sabotage that, obviously, as that wouldn't be right, but it feels so weird that now I'm pushing people to adopt stuff I've been leveraging for a good while already. Feels like shooting oneself in the foot. And watching chickens discovering there's a new door to their coop when it's always been there.
Anyone else in that situation ? Tips to keep your edge (although personally I'm not sure I'd share them if I were you!)
Thankfully, people are getting on the AI train but mostly have still missed the good ol' automation train. And while they can rely on agents for it, the fact they're using a giant hammer for all the tiny things that look like nails but aren't means we still have some cool stuff in our arsenal to keep ahead.
Still, it's a pain to see and to be in a position where I have to share (or push people to discover) all the stuff that could make me faster (aside from my skills, but i won't pretend that my skills are above average in every domain, Denning-Krueger and all that...)
Just started OE. I took off two weeks from J1 for onboarding J2, but on Monday I start J1 again and literally every meeting overlaps. I don’t think this is sustainable.
The problem is I’m really desperate. I’m drowning in debt and have been trying to get a higher paying job/asking for raises for over a year now and have found nothing. I’ve applied to hundreds of jobs. I even talked to a bankruptcy attorney, but because of the ridiculous laws of my state, it basically wouldn’t even lower my monthly payments. Makes no sense.
All I could get was a J2 that paid about the same as J1. I felt like I had no choice but to OE.
I hate J1 and my coworker who thinks she’s my boss who I have the most meetings with likes to tattletale and complains about everything and loves meetings. Looking at the weeks ahead, there is just so much overlap. I feel like they’ll catch on or at least know something is up.
I’m really tempted to quit J1.
But, I was thinking, maybe I should hold off as long as I can, just keep making excuse after excuse until they fire me. Unless I’m missing something, or crazy bad luck, if J1 suspected I was OEing, they’d have no way of knowing where. Not the case with J2. They have my J1 from my resume.
So I’m thinking I just prioritize J2, and just keep pushing until J1 fires me.
Is that a bad idea? I appreciate any advice.
What would you change in this set up? Right screens main job(W2) as a PM. Left screens, consulting business, Construction PM and Operations Manager of spirits company.
*Ipad is for watching the World Cup
Man it felt good to see. This week I was definitely wondering what I got myself into. J1 is demanding but I also have a ton of flexibility. J2 is as chill as it gets. This week was kind of a shit show all across the board and had nagging conflicts I couldn’t seem to separate. Hoping it’s all in the past.
Seeing that extra check hit the account was all the satisfaction I needed.
Well over a year with 2 Js. Non-engineering made just over 140k. About 2 months ago J1 gave a full RTO mandate, lasted 3 weeks into it with me not going into office until they finally gave me the axe. Corporate bullshit about how we needed to be in office to work better together. Our last 3 years have all been new profit highs and our CEO was given giant (multi million) bonuses each of the last 2 years. But oh well, now J2 becomes J1 and I’m still applying to get back to being OE. Luckily J2 just gave me a raise to be more than what J1 was. Doing this I was able to pay off about 90% of my debt that I never thought I’d be able to do before finding this sub. This is why OE. Cheers mates.
I have a full time job. It's got great benefits, full remote, and nearly 6 fig base. On busy weeks i can work 30hrs, but on slow weeks it's been 5-10hrs of work.
Being offered a job in my previous field. I'm probably top 20 on the world in that field, so my CV was very attractive to the recruiter. Pays 120-160k, fully remote.
I'm thinking about taking it and just keep the first one, and eventuallt wash out of the second. I'm just struggling with the ethics of it, and the logistics.
How do you even get through the onboarding? Do you take vacation from the first one? Also, is this sub populated by people who actually do this, or just larp online pretending they do?