Making Terminators More Deadly

I’ve been fiddling around with an Ultramarines army while I’m stuck at home and think I’ve found a combo that could make terminators more of a threat.

I went with Reclamation Force and Librarius Conclave. Reclamation lets my units in cover have an extra AP in combat, -1 to wound if S is higher than T, and strats like fallback and shoot/charge, fight on death, +2 to charge with +1 attack, +1 OC, sticky objectives. These would all help with the Take and Hold disposition.

I included two Storm Speeder Hailstrikes for the additional AP so something they hit as it would, along with the Librarians in Pyromancy, help the storm bolters hit at AP -2. While they put that effect on two targets, they can also work at clearing chaff and toeing onto a distant objective with their speed. I’ve found they’re pretty good value for 105 points.

The terminator librarians being in Pyromancy is also what the Sternguard want with their mortal wound bomb against the Oath target. Guilliman can choose an additional Oath target, so either the Sternguard and a Terminator block or both terminator blocks would also benefit from reroll hits and +1 to wound. I view this as a threat to pretty much anything as even tanks would be taking 40 shots with Sus 1, rolling hits, wounding on 5s, AP -2, plus missile launchers.

Intercessors are there to keep the two expansion objectives, have a nice AP -1 if a combat unit comes to take it, snd the defensive -1 to wound. Their 40 shots can also supplement other activations. The terminator blocks would play quite aggressively and generally be large problems for the opponent to deal with due to wound density and resilience.

The main anti-tank would be the Sternguard, Guilliman, and the 20 chainfists on the terminators.

I’ve got 90 points to spare and am unsure what to include. Part of me thought scouts or maybe a Terminator captain to sneak onto a rear objective with deep strike, his innate reroll charges, and a free strat for +2 to charge and +1 attack to kill little objective holders and be a nuisance.

What does everyone think? It’s unorthodox, but it’s a new edition and time to experiment!

Reclamation 2K (1,910 Points)

Space Marines
Ultramarines
Librarius Conclave and Reclamation Force (3 Detachment Points)
Force Dispositions: Reconnaissance, Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Librarian (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite
• Enhancements: Fusillade

Sternguard Veteran Squad (190 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt rifle
• 9x Sternguard Veteran
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 9x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 7x Sternguard bolt rifle
◦ 2x Sternguard heavy bolter

Attached unit 2

Librarian in Terminator Armour (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite

Terminator Squad (320 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Terminator Sergeant
◦ 1x Chainfist
◦ 1x Storm bolter
• 9x Terminator
◦ 9x Chainfist
◦ 2x Cyclone missile launcher
◦ 9x Storm bolter

Attached unit 3

Librarian in Terminator Armour (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite

Terminator Squad (320 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Terminator Sergeant
◦ 1x Chainfist
◦ 1x Storm bolter
• 9x Terminator
◦ 9x Chainfist
◦ 2x Cyclone missile launcher
◦ 9x Storm bolter

CHARACTERS

Roboute Guilliman (340 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Emperor’s Sword
• 1x Hand of Dominion

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (150 Points)
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Bolt rifle
◦ 1x Power fist
• 9x Intercessor
◦ 2x Astartes grenade launcher
◦ 9x Bolt pistol
◦ 9x Bolt rifle
◦ 9x Close combat weapon

Intercessor Squad (150 Points)
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Bolt rifle
◦ 1x Power fist
• 9x Intercessor
◦ 2x Astartes grenade launcher
◦ 9x Bolt pistol
◦ 9x Bolt rifle
◦ 9x Close combat weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Storm Speeder Hailstrike (105 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Onslaught gatling cannon
• 1x Twin ironhail heavy stubber

Storm Speeder Hailstrike (105 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Onslaught gatling cannon
• 1x Twin ironhail heavy stubber

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u/BasileusHeliand — 23 hours ago

Armoured Company List Help

I’ve been looking at boards and missions in 11th and started thinking about reviving my old (20 years at this point) Armoured Company. I love a demolisher cannon and an armoured company seems like a great choice for Purge. I’m not married to any of the sponson/hull weapon choices. Maybe all heavy bolters?

-Hellhounds are stripping cover and being all stars. -Each command tank rolls with a standard demolisher to give orders to themselves and their escort.
-Stormsword chosen for the ignore cover main cannon.
-tech priest walked behind the Stormsword for the Hellas and invuln, gets a reactive move strat from designation (saw no matter options for 1DP).
-it’s a tad one dimensional, but what can’t be dealt with between demolisher cannons and heavy bolters?

All Tanks (1,975 Points)

Astra Militarum
Designation Force and Steel Hammer (3 Detachment Points)
Force Dispositions: Purge the Foe, Reconnaissance
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Leman Russ Commander (235 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Demolisher battle cannon
• 2x Heavy bolter
• 1x Heavy bolter
• 1x Heavy stubber
• 1x Hunter-killer missile

Leman Russ Commander (235 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Demolisher battle cannon
• 2x Heavy bolter
• 1x Heavy bolter
• 1x Heavy stubber
• 1x Hunter-killer missile

Stormsword (495 Points)
• Warlord
• Steel Hammer Keywords: Character
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 2x Lascannon
• 2x Lascannon
• 1x Stormsword siege cannon
• 1x Twin heavy bolter
• 2x Twin heavy flamer
• 2x Twin heavy flamer
• Enhancements: Battalion Commander

Tech-Priest Enginseer (45 Points)
• 1x Enginseer axe
• 1x Mechanicus pistol
• 1x Servo-arm

OTHER DATASHEETS

Hellhound (125 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Heavy bolter
• 1x Hunter-killer missile
• 1x Inferno cannon

Hellhound (125 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Heavy bolter
• 1x Hunter-killer missile
• 1x Inferno cannon

Hellhound (135 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Heavy bolter
• 1x Hunter-killer missile
• 1x Inferno cannon

Leman Russ Demolisher (190 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Demolisher battle cannon
• 1x Heavy flamer
• 2x Heavy flamer
• 1x Heavy stubber
• 1x Hunter-killer missile

Leman Russ Demolisher (190 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Demolisher battle cannon
• 1x Heavy flamer
• 2x Heavy flamer
• 1x Heavy stubber
• 1x Hunter-killer missile

Leman Russ Demolisher (200 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Demolisher battle cannon
• 1x Heavy flamer
• 2x Heavy flamer
• 1x Heavy stubber
• 1x Hunter-killer missile

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u/BasileusHeliand — 4 days ago

Using Insidiants in 11th - I'm Confused

I've had a Sisters army on the shelf since they got the revamped range and think they'd be fun to bring out for 11th. I keep seeing people say Insidiants are damage dealers, but it's confusing me a bit as to how. I get the big sword doing mortals, but are they really that punchy? How many do you run, and do you attach any characters? Do you give them a rhino? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around these ladies, thanmk you for the guidance!

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u/BasileusHeliand — 7 days ago

Converting Blade Champs

Hi. I’ve been looking at my extra sword and board Custodes and wondering if anyone has converted Blade Champions using the new models so that they match the style. There are both left and right-handed swords in the box, but how would you all make them a bit fancier/change them up a bit to denote a character?

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u/BasileusHeliand — 8 days ago

Custodes in 11th (so far)

I’d love to hear people’s experience with Custodes in 11th so far. I know Allarus seem to be all the rage at the moment, but I’m limiting myself to the newer sculpts and will wait for the Aquillon termies to be released. I’ll have my bikes, cheap Pallus, and Telemon soon enough to tide me over.

What does everyone think of Lions vs Shieldhost? I’m planning on taking MoM for access to Purge, but how has Disruption and others treated people? Thanks in advance!

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u/BasileusHeliand — 8 days ago

Help understanding Bringers of Flame play style

Hi everyone,

I’d like some advice on what a typical Bringers of Flame list would look like. I enjoy the mobile, in your face aspect to it, but I’m used to doing so with more resilient armies. How does this look with T3 models?

I’m not looking for top meta picks as the new edition will be dropping this month but the codex stays current, so I’m more looking at how Sisters work in this play style.

Thank you for any information you can pass along.

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u/BasileusHeliand — 27 days ago

Weaknesses to watch out for/list advice

I was hoping to get some input on a fun list I’ve put together focussing on the units I really enjoy. This means mostly elite, knightly companions and big flamethrowers! I know the edition is not quite out yet, so I’m not asking for a cutting-edge composition.

I went for the firestorm assault force to buff the flamers and add strength to both them and the multimeltas once they speed up. Im sure the sword brethren are self explanatory, the infernus ride around in their impulsors frying things, scouts do actions, etc. Emperor’s Champion is in there because I didn’t know what to do with the final 105 points and he’s cool.

What weaknesses would you foresee playing a list like this? Any general advice?

Templar Firestorm (1985 Points)

Space Marines
Black Templars
Firestorm Assault Force
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Castellan (70 Points)
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Castellan (70 Points)
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Castellan (70 Points)
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Emperor’s Champion (100 Points)
• 1x Black Sword
• 1x Bolt Pistol

Marshal (80 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 1x Plasma pistol

Marshal (80 Points)
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 1x Plasma pistol

Marshal (80 Points)
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 1x Plasma pistol

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Impulsor (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Ironhail skytalon array
• 1x Multi-melta

Impulsor (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Ironhail skytalon array
• 1x Multi-melta

Impulsor (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Ironhail skytalon array
• 1x Multi-melta

Impulsor (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Ironhail skytalon array
• 1x Multi-melta

Impulsor (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Ironhail skytalon array
• 1x Multi-melta

OTHER DATASHEETS

Gladiator Valiant (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Icarus rocket pod
• 2x Multi-melta
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Twin las-talon

Gladiator Valiant (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Icarus rocket pod
• 2x Multi-melta
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Twin las-talon

Infernus Squad (90 Points)
• 1x Infernus Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Pyreblaster
• 4x Infernus Marine
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Pyreblaster

Infernus Squad (90 Points)
• 1x Infernus Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Pyreblaster
• 4x Infernus Marine
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Pyreblaster

Scout Squad (70 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Combat knife

Scout Squad (70 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Combat knife

Sword Brethren Squad (130 Points)
• 5x Sword Brother
◦ 2x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted power weapon
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 2x Pyre pistol

Sword Brethren Squad (130 Points)
• 5x Sword Brother
◦ 2x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted power weapon
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 2x Pyre pistol

Sword Brethren Squad (130 Points)
• 5x Sword Brother
◦ 2x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted power weapon
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 2x Pyre pistol

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u/BasileusHeliand — 1 month ago