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Not saying you will always pick the same choice no matter what but you how you actually come to your decision might be a good way to determine it.

For example I feel like most INTPs would pull the lever because Ti (5 is greater than 1) and Fe (how will the community recover from the loss of 5 people vs 1). And pulling the lever doesn't really redefine who I am as long as you had a good reason (Fi demon).

However when Fi is involved, that skews the probability towards not pulling it as the choice is no longer obvious. If you do pull it you become a murderer in your eyes and that realisation is more disturbing to an Fi user who might struggle with their new identity. Even if they're a Te user, the weaker Fi might still eat at them in the back of their mind and thus still create friction.

For me it's a no brainer and I was always baffled by some people would say they would not pull the lever to save more lives.

Edit: To keep it simple and avoid confusion, assume you have time think it over, you don't actually know who you are saving, why they are tied to the track or any other external information. You simply have to choose between 1 or 5 lives by pulling the lever or not.

Yep my ENTP cannot do a simple division in his head and always asks me because the logic is that I'm faster than him having to pull up his phone and using a calculator so in fact he's actually being super time efficient...

He has a degree in STEM btw

Like leaving deadlines or exams to the last minute and still managing to come out fine at the end.

I don't know if this is just because of ADHD but I feel like I've been like this through the entirety of school and college and I still got my masters in the end. I could spend an entire semester doing the bare minimum, just skimming through lecture notes to understand the underlying principles in my first pass and never revisit the notes again.

When it came to exams, I had no study routine, I've just focused on what's important, filling in the gaps from what I initially understood by cramming as much as I could and just winging when it came time. The closer it got the more real the realisation that I could fail becomes so I was in a constant obsessive flow state with minimal breaks.

Oh and this is for the one INTJ that say I should make a plan 🖕

I'm not sure if this is just due to having aux Ne and inferior Fe, I don't usually care for what society thinks is normal but I'm so drawn to people who have radical ideas and their quiet unyielding devotion to their sense of truth. It's so interesting but also inspiring in a way? Even in cases where I don't agree with them I appreciate hearing their perspectives and there are always lessons to be learnt in why they think the way they do.

My earliest childhood friend was an ISFP, he was very talented with a guitar and a good singer who always practised next to me and asked for feedback. He had a dream of discovering who he was and always being authentic to himself which he always channelled that raw feeling into his music and it was so inspiring to witness. Since then, even if I've long lost contact, I still remember that moment and realised that I don't have to bend to societal pressure to feel my sense of place.

Later an ENFP has again radically changed how I view life for the better, challenging my worldview to not be so nihilistic, to find meaning in life, to be tolerant, giving to those who need it and imagining a better future for the world which again set me on my own path of discovering who I want to be. They never changed who I truly was, they expanded the boundaries of who I thought I could be.

I mean not from a complete stranger and I don't mean like a hug or handshake but when someone is super comfortable with you that they touch or poke you unprompted or when they place their hand or feet on you. I realised I hate that and my body physically twitches against it.

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For some reason I have to mentally prepare myself even if it's the most normal thing ever.

I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence but every classic party animal ESTP I've met after some drinks or hallucinogens are some of the chillest guys ever and start becoming deeply philosophical. Suddenly they want to talk to me about human nature, society, aliens, the meaning of life or whether we live in a simulation, etc. Since we all use Ti, they can always logically follow what I'm saying and they become so open minded that I can freely challenge their deeply held beliefs or they ask for my opinion on a profound insight they had that they never would've considered while sober. These epiphanies just seem so euphoric for them that I'm starting to get jealous lol. I'm not sure if ESTPs just become super receptive while stoned and is just listening to me lecturing them because every time we hang out I can feel them becoming wiser.

Where does your deep insights usually come from? How does your Ni manifest?

Feels weird saying this as an introvert myself but the 2w3 ENFP I've met is super careful to the point I'm even noticing how awkward he is when meeting new people.

This is especially noticeable if the other person seems talkative they just let them yap on forever as he is super reserved and only speak when spoken to which seems so out of (or in?) character.

He works as a med student in a hospital and he tells me how he hates talking to anybody there because they're all just there for their degree and getting rich instead of wanting to help patients so he doesn't think they're good people because of this and other selfish behaviour outside of work.

So that got me wondering, are you just carefully analysing their morals to see if they're good person before you feel like opening up or is it more of just a vibe thing? How is the 2w3 experience different?

I'm not sure if this will help anyone understand Ti better but it was useful for me.

I've realised I've come to logical conclusions without ever exploring the actual logical steps to get there. If someone for example asks me if they can become an astronaut I'd be like sure that's technically possible, I'm immediately thinking astronauts are humans but they are also talented and hardworking, so if I become a talented hardworking human I could technically become an astronaut. If they then ask me how, I'd say give me a minute and try to remember the requirement for a stem degree, pass fitness tests, have sufficient flight experience, etc and make sense of everything put together and explain that to them.

It's not Ni in the traditional sense, I didn't have to intuit anything I've just remembered a past experience that made logical sense at the time and I've used it to make a new logical inference. It's like a mathematician that understands that a proof is likely already valid you don't have to spend energy understanding it from scratch again and you can focus on the logical structure instead.

Recently I got to experience the full power of Se Dom in display. I was travelling in a foreign country in a friendgroup with two ESTPs and when we passed through a basketball court with a bunch of older kids playing and hanging around and they immediately knew were drug dealers. I was like "how do you know that?" and he looked genuinely confused by that question and just told me "just look at them" and didn't explain further. I was like "huh???" because they dressed normally, wasn't in a sketchy area and just looked like a bunch of friends hanging out but somehow they saw all the subtle signs that I missed. Mind you we've never been in this country before but they just knew they felt out of place and were selling something. They even made a whole protocol of how they will approach them, how we all have to stay back to not make them suspicious, one of us will go and one person will keep lookout, wipe any sweat to look confident, etc and after a couple of minutes he came back with a few bags. They didn't even speak the local language but somehow it went smoothly and I was amazed at just how ignorant I was in these situations.

I just tested my friends and there are 3 ENTPs, 1 ENFP and 1 INFP. The amount of times I've been ragebaited has permanently trained my brain to not take anything seriously anymore and forget how to talk to a normal person.

I'm finally gonna try returning to normal human society wish me luck guys

I had a thought about an ISTJ character I'm writing, how would they handle certain undeniable truth that in a year if they do not uproot their entire life and forget who they are entirely and that if any traces of their past remains, they are destined for a horrible inescapable fate? If you were told to completely forget about your past identity, routines, beliefs and ideals and transform yourself into someone completely unrecognisable by the end.

How would an ISTJ handle news like that no matter how many times you verify you know this outcome to be true? What do you think you can forget easily and what do you think is hard? What would stress you out the most? Would that even be possible? I'm curious to see how this would work for Si doms.

I'm not sure if it's a common experience but I always try to offer help or do some work if they look like they need it but as soon as they think you won't be able to contribute (even though I know I can) I give up immediately. If they're not particularly close to me in my head I'm like cool I get to relax and you're underestimating me so I don't feel guilty at all.

Is that problematic? Should I be protesting and trying to help in any way I can?

It's so funny because ENTJ's can be intense with most people because that is the default for you. You hate performative people, anything fake can be spotted immediately and you cut straight through the BS and that can be devastating for anyone who is not used to it.

But then there's a weird contrast.

When with people you feel comfortable around I've experienced that most I've met are very soft, loyal and have a strict moral code that you won't compromise on. I think what most people miss is that your intensity isn’t really about being harsh, it’s about not wanting to waste time on things that aren’t real so when a connection does feel real, you don't armour up as much. You're still direct but in a more candid and patient way.

I'm an INTP and have an older ENTJ sister that I really get along well with and she likes that she doesn't have to filter her words or manage her emotions around me because I'm not the type to judge so she drops the whole act and can just be... present. She likes to share exactly what she's feeling even if it’s messy or unpolished and I love talking about it for hours trying to understand what exactly she meant by it, giving my honest opinion and then helping her refine it into something that makes sense without any feelings getting hurt in the process. Then like a responsible older sibling she starts giving me financial advice. Its fucking awesome.

A friend of mine who is an ENTP is always trying to get me to play new games with him and he pretty much knows that I'm the only friend who is just as compulsive and autistic enough to try anything so I always give in. We play for a while, have fun learning the ropes, failing repeatedly until we overcome some challenge and just as when we feel like we're getting the hang of it he starts losing interest and drops the game. I don't expect him to play the same thing forever but at least try to have more hours on a game you introduced to your friend 😂