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For no reason an old episode of Movie Fights came to mind, in which they discussed what was the greatest plot-twist in film history.

Writer Robert Kirkman said 'Psycho' while the other guests said 'Usual Suspects' and 'No Way Out'.

Usual Suspects: >!Kevin Spacey is Keyser Söze.!<

No Way Out: >!Kevin Costner is a Russian spy.!<

Psycho: >!Marion gets killed midway trough.!<

I don't think the twist on 'Usual Suspects' has aged well. Watching the movie years later, it's obvious that >!Spacey was the bad guy (at least it was for me).!<

'No Way Out' twist is great, because it's a twist for the sake of one. The movie was already over, the conflict resolved, but it keeps going.

However 'Psycho' is timeless. Not only it changes the tone of the movie, but it changed cinema forever; people were allowed to just walk in at any point of the film, but Hitchcock insisted in changing the rule, so people would be surprised by the reveal midway trough.

Everyone knows about the shower scene, and probably about Norman Bates being the killer. But the great thing about it is that even if you do, you still get surprised by the first half being a Crime Thriller. Marion's murder not only changes the story, it changes the genre of the movie.

To me no other film comes near that twist.

I'm definetly reading too much into it, and I'm probably completely wrong. But I can't sleep so here's that:

Dinah: You're depraved.

GA: So is this world. Trust me... I'm the hero here.

The classic origin of Green Arrow has two things:

The island: Which is represented in here by the one where Jubal Slade does his experiments. Finding out about the island was what made Oliver turn on him.

The fact that Oliver was a man who had everything and then he lost that everything:

Absolute Oliver lost everyone he held dear because of his loyalty to Jubal: Mia, Roy, Emiko... Only in the end he realized he needed to put a stop to him (and that's what got him killed).

The only person who didn't abandon him because of Jubal was Dinah. But she did get the creeps from him, and would had eventually turned on Ollie because of their friendship.

So here's what I believe:

Oliver's ghost is possessing his former friends to take his revenge.

The importance of number two:

• So a lot of people have already pointed out that the logo is three lines that form a single Arrow. I think the middle line represents Oliver while the other two are the ones he's possessing.
• The company was named Greenarrows (in plural). The original logo was two triangles, but then it was changed to one arrow.
• The Killer's weapon is two swords that form one bow.
• Jubal was found with one arrow in each eye.
• When Jubal first appears, there are four bottles in the table. An empty green one, another green one he is currently drinking. And two red ones, left untouched.

I think the empty one represents Oliver, who is dead.

The one he is currently drinking is Dinah, who is being blackmailed by Hammond.

And the red ones represent the two people being possessed.

The color red:

There's a strong contrast between red and green in the book.

I believe Green represents what Oliver was. Red represents what Oliver is.

I think one of them is Mia, because she was wearing red during the interrogation and the flashback. While Roy only wore red during the flashback.

Not sure on the second one. I don't think it's Roy.

Here's what I think is happenning/will happen:

• Hammond, Tyler, Zytle and Slade are experimenting on people while searching for inmortality.
• Oliver is possesing his former friends to take his revenge. Not necesarrily something supernatural, maybe he used something he found while investigating Hammon's experiments (we know he had a victim in his Arrow Cave). Maybe he knew he was cooked and the real reason he contacted Roy and Mia was to infect them with a backup of himself. He has become a monster to fight monsters. Dinah doesn't accept this, just like her dad doesn't accept that her mom was a crooked cop.
• He killed Connor because he can bring him back.
• The people being possessed don't know that they are.
• Dinah is going to be possessed by the Green Arrow killer. Maybe she has already been, and she is the one that killed Slade.

I've been thinking that Maxie Zeus could work really well. A crazy gangster that thinks he's the re-incarnation of Zeus (and in some versions he even has electric powers).

I also think Clayface could be interesting, just because they are both made of clay.

This is mostly speculation, but I'm posting anyway, because I'm interested in about what the sub's theories on the series are.

1. I 100% believe Connor's death was a fakeout. Too much on the nose.

2. Edvin Zytle is probably Absolute's Vertigo father. What if the poison in the arrows is Vertigo? In the Arrow show it was turned into a drug. And New 52's Vertigo was a victim of experimentation as a child.

3. Right now, what I believe is that whoever made the ten-eyed experiments on the boy is controlling Oliver's re-animated corpse and using it as his enforcer. Similar to>! The Headless Horseman and The Witch!< in Sleepy Hollow.

4. The Green Arrow logo is three lines forming one single Arrow. I think it's going to be three people involved. One as The Killer, another one as his handler, and someone on the inside. I think the third one is Dinah, she's obviously not a part of the operation, but she is being groomed by the handler to become it's third member.

Since the Halloween canon is pretty messy, this post only applies to the first movie. In some of the sequels he's clearly inmortal and there's some supernatural explanation for his habilities, so this wouldn't add up.

I recently came across the story of Charles Whitman, who comited a mass shooting before he himself was shot down by police. Whitman was apparently a regular guy, until one day his behavior started to change. During his autopsy it was discovered that he had a brain tumor, and it's been theorized that this was the cause of his sudden change.

"Charles Whitman was a former U.S. Marine and engineering student who had no documented history of psychosis. In the months preceding the shooting, he reported increasing headaches, irritability, emotional volatility, and violent ideation. On the night before the attack, Whitman killed his wife and mother, leaving notes stating that he did not understand his own actions and requesting an autopsy to determine whether a brain disorder was present."

"The postmortem examination revealed a glioblastoma multiforme located in the right temporal lobe. The tumor was reported to compress or distort adjacent limbic structures, including the amygdala. At the time, the amygdala was already recognized as central to fear processing, aggression modulation, and emotional salience."

"Whitman’s actions involved extensive planning, the procurement of weapons, and the execution of complex goal-directed behavior, features often cited as evidence against complete loss of agency. At the same time, his reported emotional changes and explicit concern about a possible brain disorder complicate a purely volitional interpretation."

That made me think about Michael Myers. He was apparently a normal boy, until he stabbed his sister. During that event he also lost the hability to speak.

Michael's first crime and emprisonment happened in 1963, Whitman's actions were perpetrated in 66; so the concept was rather new, it makes sense that no one during his 15 year emprisonment considered a tumor as the reason behind his actions.

That may also explain why Michael is so resistent. It's been shown he feels pain and can be hurt, but if the tumor causes him to have highly aggresive impulses, that would explains how he can rise over and over. There's been people who have been stabbed during fights, but because of the adrenaline rush they didn't feel it until it was over.

But why doesn't he speak? Whitman claimed he did not understand his own actions. I believe Michael was traumatized after killing his sister.

To me Michael is like a child playing a trick on Halloween. He's not only aiming to kill, but to scare. He did steal some ropes in advance, with the intention of placing the bodies as if they were Halloween decorations.

(I also don't think he understands death, just that once he's done with is victims, they cannot get scared anymore. After killing Judith, the trick was over. So he searches for more Judiths).

I think what happens when he gets unmasked is that it brings him back to reality. This is not a fantasy, nor a trick; it's very real. That's why the script refers to him as The Shape, despite the fact that we know his true name. He's like a little kid dressed like The Hulk and pretending to be The Hulk, only taken to an extreme.