I tried every manifestation technique imaginable. Here's what actually worked for me

I’ve had what I’d consider a pretty crazy amount of success with what people would call “the law.” The funny thing is, I wasn’t really trying to use it or do anything special. In fact, when I actually started trying to consciously use the law, that’s when I had the hardest time and created the most tension.

What I experienced could be called many things: manifestation, the law of assumption, psychology, coincidence... I don’t think I’ll ever know what truly caused any of it, but I do know what seems to make it “work” best for me.

I never had any girlfriend and i deeply wanted one. I used to imagine a perfect girl for me, her looks, her personality and what we would like and do together. I didn't imagine this to cause anything i just liked to imagine it and did little scenes with her whenever i was bored. And since this post has the flair "success story" you probably know where this is going.

I met her in the most random fucking place. Like truly, i didn't even know it was her until like 6 months of being with her. So back then i had no idea that this might've been a result of something called manifestation, and honestly? I really fucking wish i had no idea about the law, Neville or manifestation at all because thats when it all felt so natural. I'll explain why knowing its called something and it's a process that people study made it hard for me to focus again. I miss when this was just me having fun in imagination. Now theres all these names. Neville did help me with one particular thing though but for now the story.

It was all nice you know, a beautiful relationship between 2 people and of course problems appeared like they always do. Those problems were caused by me. I have messaged another girl while being with her and admitted that i did it. She was devastated, sad, angry and all the things at once. She started talking about some break up, but it was very fucking weird to me like very weird. It was weird because i was being with her in the physical world, like working for my trust, apologizing, feeling bad for her and regretting what i did but at the same time i was also completely somewhere else... like in this alternative world in my own head, where i dont give a shit like genuinely because i already saw what i wanted to see and it was very real to me. I saw scenes that didnt feel like imagination but something happening to me personally. We were kissing, loving each other and she was just not talking about that at all, it was all forgiven fixed and good.

Some days pass since the meeting where we were tense because of that event, and its just like it never happened. Were back to being great partners, so much love, even more love. She started giving me gifts, placing our pictures on her wall, drawing me pretty things. I dont know if this weird shift happened because i lived in my reality in my head but it was definitely something unusual.

I forgot to mention that while all of this was happening at some point, a 3p appeared. He looked similar to me. Before the nice shift, there was this one week period where i found out that they are talking at school (we are from different cities), people from her circle were actually messaging me, some sent a picture where theyre talking while sitting on a bench. I remember how MUCH i did not give a shit. Not a single fucking piece of shit was given from my side. I just knew that it means nothing and she will stay like so strongly and confidently knew this. I even jokingly messaged this person who sent a picture saying something like "oh noo its all over what will i do now". Just pure fucking ignorance. It was a very strong knowing almost like its already real. So yeah after this? The 3p apparently moved out of the city. So yeah this happened before the shift and after the cheating on text event.

After around 2.5 years together i started getting this really strong fear that she was going to leave me. And i didn't just have the normal "what if she leaves" thought, i started building entire scenarios in my head about it. I had dreams about her leaving, visions about things happening between us, another guy appearing, her wanting to experience love with someone else, our relationship slowly dying. I just kept replaying those things. I would literally sit there and imagine the worst possible outcome and feel the pain of it as if it was happening right there. It wasn't just "oh that's a scary thought". It felt REAL to me. Like my body didn't know that i was sitting in my room imagining something. The emotions were completely real.

Then over the next couple months our relationship started getting worse. She started talking to that SAME guy again. This is where it gets fucking weird because even she noticed something was off about this. It seemed like this guy would somehow appear whenever our relationship was in a bad spot or when we were fighting a lot. She literally fucking told me "why does he always appear when things are bad between us?" and she seemed genuinely confused about it (now i know why).

Eventually she left me and then she started dating him.

This is where everything became even more fucked up for me because so many of the things i had imagined before actually started happening in a really specific way. Not every single tiny detail obviously, but enough of it that i couldn't just look at it and go "yeah whatever this means nothing". The things i had literally sat in my room imagining as the worst possible future were now actually happening to me. Like very specifically in a very specific order. I think a fucking idiot would just say this is a coincidence at this point in time.

I had spent months creating these scenarios in my head and feeling them as if they were real, and now i was actually living through them. The pain was fucking insane. And this is something i think is important because it wasn't just that i "thought negative thoughts". I gave those thoughts so much importance that they basically became reality to me before anything even happened (the literal opposite of my previous situation). When i imagined her leaving me, i wasn't thinking "haha imagine if this happened". I was sitting there feeling the pain of it, seeing it, replaying it and convincing myself that this was going to happen.

So when it eventually happened, obviously it destroyed me but it actually caused me to discover Neville and manifestation. All this time i actually didnt know shit about the law, manifestation or Neville lol it was all unconscious. And honestly? I sometimes wish i never did discover it in the way that i did.

So when i discovered all of this, i basically went down the biggest rabbit hole of my fucking life. I started reading Neville, Law of Assumption, manifestation, SATS, living in the end, detachment, 3d, bridge of incidents, affirmations, all of it. I was trying to understand what the fuck had actually happened to me and if there was some kind of explanation for it. No joke i probably had like 50 hours on reddit in a single week. At first i actually thought this was amazing. I thought i had found the answer. Like holy shit, maybe this is something i can actually understand and use, consciously this time. But ironically this is when things became the hardest for me.

I started thinking that there must be some exact way to do it. I'd read one person saying you have to live in the end, another saying you need to feel it real, another saying you need SATS, another saying you should affirm all day, another saying you should forget about it, another saying you should never look at the 3d, another saying circumstances don't matter etc. I was trying all of it.

I was constantly thinking about manifestation. Constantly checking how i felt. Constantly checking the 3d. Constantly wondering if i was doing something wrong. I was basically taking something that used to be completely natural to me and turning it into a fucking science project. The funniest part is that the more i tried to use the law the more tension i created. I was trying so hard to get the thing i wanted that i was basically reminding myself all day that i dont in fact have it. I would imagine something and this time instead of "wow that was a nice imaginary scene that felt very real to me anyway im gonna go live my life" it was "was that good enough?". Id have a single bad thought and go "fuuuuck i just ruined everything". Eventually i realized that i was completely missing the point of what had happened to me before.

When the 3p appeared the first time, i didn't care. I didn't sit there thinking "okay, i need to manifest him disappearing". I didn't do SATS about him leaving. I didn't affirm 500 times. I literally just knew it meant nothing. Even fucking less than nothing. That was it.

After the breakup, obviously i wanted her back. A LOT but instead of trying to recreate some perfect feeling 24/7, i started going back to that old feeling i had before. That feeling where the outcome was just... settled.

I started imagining us together again sometimes, but not because i was scared that if i didn't imagine it enough she wouldn't come back. I did it because i liked it. Sometimes i'd imagine us talking normally again, sometimes we'd be laughing, sometimes i'd imagine telling someone that we were together again. I also used to actually think of the old story but i was kinda of a doctor when i did. I looked at the bad unhealthy stuff and just decided to see it differently this time. For fun of course. Not to make anything happen or change. This is called revision in the Neville terms but it wasnt the only amazing thing i learned from Neville.

My favorite part about what Neville taught me and now it's actually helpful... there was this scene i made with her mother.

I had a really good relationship with her mother, so i thought about what would actually make me feel like everything was normal again. I tried imagining being with my ex in bed and all the sensory details... her hair on my skin, her body touching me, her voice whispering "i missed you so much", the bed sheets on my body, it was too much at once, and honestly it was pretty hard for me during the day, so i made a different scene.

I imagined being in their kitchen, her mother coming up to me, smiling and hugging me and saying "im so glad you are together again, she missed you so much." That was it yet it felt amazing, i think this was the first time i felt the same way i felt back then when i was doing it unconsciously. I wasn't trying to imagine exactly how my ex would come back. I wasn't imagining a specific text message or a specific date or some crazy bridge of incidents. I just wanted to experience what it would feel like if everything was already normal again and then i'd go do something else.

This was probably the biggest change for me because i finally stopped making manifestation my entire fucking life. I didnt check her social media anymore or wonder if i ruined something with a single thought, i was just content with my sweet little scene because it made me fulfilled, the same way i did it back then without knowing it.

I should probably mention how fucking absolute shit the circumstances were but i wont in too much detail. Just know that there was a lot of toxic stuff, threats, police and some stuff i rather not say, not because its triggering to me i actually find it silly now but because its private and not safe for work. That should tell you enough lol.

So yeah after the deep, deep shit hole i crawled out of due to these terrible events that affected my mentality i then started talking to people again, seeing friends, making videos, exercising, going outside, doing shit that actually made me happy. I even started talking to other girls. I still wanted her, there was nothing wrong with that, it never really disappeared, it was there everyday however this time it was there in a nice way. I just stopped being fucking terrified that i wasn't going to get what i wanted. I wasn't constantly waiting for something to happen anymore. Honestly that was probably the first time since the breakup where i felt like myself again. That guy was officially back.

I also stopped trying to figure out the HOW. This was a huge one for me because i was obsessed with it before. I wanted to know how she would come back, when she would text me, what would happen with the 3p, whether we'd randomly meet somewhere, whether she'd suddenly realize she wanted me back etc. I wanted to basically know the entire bridge before it even happened.

But then i thought about that first situation with the 3p and realized how fucking different i was back then. I had absolutely no idea how anything was going to happen. I didn't know he was going to move away. I didn't know what she was going to do. I didn't know what anyone was going to do. I just knew what i wanted the end to be and that was enough for me so i stopped trying to solve the fucking universe. I just went "yeah, this is what i want" and left the rest alone.

Well i just lived like this for some time, i dont know how long i didnt count any days cause i truly just did not care that much. Then, of course, it happened.

A message has appeared.

Wow cool, its you, my ex, thats nice but like im kinda already with you in my imagination so whatever the fuck happens next its whatever you know. That was my mindset lmao and it felt amazing. So we did start talking, it was very normal, nothing special or amazing. It was very fucking weird to not care about this especially since at some point i couldnt bear the thought of it NOT happening.

It also wasnt some magical thing where everything instantly went back to normal tho. There were actual problems that had happened and that needed a conversation between us to solve them. It was very natural for me though. I had to take responsibility for some of the things, she had her own feelings about everything and we didnt just pretend the breakup didnt happen. We got closer and got back together, COMPLETELY NORMAL by the way. Sorry i keep remembering how normal it felt i still cant believe it. I was happy though, really happy but mostly felt calm.

I thought i'd be screaming, crying, jumping around my room, thinking "HOLY SHIT I DID IT". Instead i just felt like everything had returned to where it was supposed to be and looking back, i think that's probably why the scene with her mother worked so well for me personally because It wasn't about making some huge event happen, it was about making the relationship feel NORMAL. Her mother wasn't giving me some crazy news about how my manifestation finally worked. She was just hugging me and saying she was glad we were together again, it was just a normal thing and that's exactly what it felt like when it actually happened.

Now obviously i wont sit here and tell you "this proves the law is 100% real and this is exactly how manifestation works". Maybe it was manifestation, maybe it was psychology or something else completely i dont know and will probably never know, all i know is what worked for me. I feel like it always works different for every single person. Some call it a prayer, some law, some manifestation, some coincidence. There isnt one definite answer and i wont confidently write here claiming i know everything about the world now because guys i literally just had fun in my head.

If you asked me what technique i used i honestly wouldn't know what to tell you. SATS? Sure, i did it sometimes. It was a weird sats tho, i dont think i ever fully did it right. Visualization? Yeah. Affirmations? Sometimes. Living in the end? I guess. Detachment? Eventually.

But none of those things feel like the actual answer to me. The actual difference was that i stopped treating manifestation like a fucking job. I could sit there and imagine some random scenario with my future girlfriend and just enjoy it. There was no pressure. I wasn't wondering if it was "working". I wasn't thinking about the law. I wasn't trying to get into the perfect state. It was just fun and turns out its exactly what i used to do before all this, with the first "success".

Oh yeah and the 3p right you guys are probably wondering about that. I dont think he exists anymore like its so weird and i dont even care anymore. I mean im sure hes alive im not saying he died, i mean maybe i dont know afterall because i simply do not care. Thats all. They just kinda separated and he became a ghost. Watch him suddenly appear again when i start treating my thoughts like "shes probably gonna leave me" as 100% real facts again (i wont this time lol).

Well thats about it i think. Its a cool story for sure. Maybe one day someone will actually explain some of this through psychology or neuroscience and i'll look back and realize there was a completely normal explanation for everything. Or maybe we never will understand it and theres something stranger going on.. i dont know. And frankly i dont even care like im just having fun on this little planet who cares if theres angel godly creatures, secret laws of life or aliens controling us and this is a simulation. Just have fun people who cares?

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 4 days ago

I manifested my SP back when I stopped trying so hard — here's what I did

I have achieved a lot of success if that's what this is, with "using" the law? Im not sure how to call it since i actually wasn't really using anything or doing much. It's funny cause when i actually WAS trying to use the law and do much, i had the hardest time of my life and a lot of tension.

What i achieved could be called many things: manifestation, law of assumption, psychology, coincidence... i don't think i will ever know what truly caused it but i DO know what makes it "work" best for me at least.

I never had any girlfriend and i deeply wanted one. I used to imagine a perfect girl for me, her looks, her personality and what we would like and do together. I didn't imagine this to cause anything i just liked to imagine it and did little scenes with her whenever i was bored. And since this post has the flair "success story" you probably know where this is going.

I met her in the most random fucking place. Like truly, i didn't even know it was her until like 6 months of being with her. So back then i had no idea that this might've been a result of something called manifestation, and honestly? I really fucking wish i had no idea about the law, Neville or manifestation at all because thats when it all felt so natural. I'll explain why knowing its called something and it's a process that people study made it hard for me to focus again. I miss when this was just me having fun in imagination. Now theres all these names. Neville did help me with one particular thing though but for now the story.

It was all nice you know, a beautiful relationship between 2 people and of course problems appeared like they always do. Those problems were caused by me. I have messaged another girl while being with her and admitted that i did it. She was devastated, sad, angry and all the things at once. She started talking about some break up, but it was very fucking weird to me like very weird. It was weird because i was being with her in the physical world, like working for my trust, apologizing, feeling bad for her and regretting what i did but at the same time i was also completely somewhere else... like in this alternative world in my own head, where i dont give a shit like genuinely because i already saw what i wanted to see and it was very real to me. I saw scenes that didnt feel like imagination but something happening to me personally. We were kissing, loving each other and she was just not talking about that at all, it was all forgiven fixed and good.

Some days pass since the meeting where we were tense because of that event, and its just like it never happened. Were back to being great partners, so much love, even more love. She started giving me gifts, placing our pictures on her wall, drawing me pretty things. I dont know if this weird shift happened because i lived in my reality in my head but it was definitely something unusual.

I forgot to mention that while all of this was happening at some point, a 3p appeared. He looked similar to me. Before the nice shift, there was this one week period where i found out that they are talking at school (we are from different cities), people from her circle were actually messaging me, some sent a picture where theyre talking while sitting on a bench. I remember how MUCH i did not give a shit. Not a single fucking piece of shit was given from my side. I just knew that it means nothing and she will stay like so strongly and confidently knew this. I even jokingly messaged this person who sent a picture saying something like "oh noo its all over what will i do now". Just pure fucking ignorance. It was a very strong knowing almost like its already real. So yeah after this? The 3p apparently moved out of the city. So yeah this happened before the shift and after the cheating on text event.

After around 2.5 years together i started getting this really strong fear that she was going to leave me. And i didn't just have the normal "what if she leaves" thought, i started building entire scenarios in my head about it. I had dreams about her leaving, visions about things happening between us, another guy appearing, her wanting to experience love with someone else, our relationship slowly dying. I just kept replaying those things. I would literally sit there and imagine the worst possible outcome and feel the pain of it as if it was happening right there. It wasn't just "oh that's a scary thought". It felt REAL to me. Like my body didn't know that i was sitting in my room imagining something. The emotions were completely real.

Then over the next couple months our relationship started getting worse. She started talking to that SAME guy again. This is where it gets fucking weird because even she noticed something was off about this. It seemed like this guy would somehow appear whenever our relationship was in a bad spot or when we were fighting a lot. She literally fucking told me "why does he always appear when things are bad between us?" and she seemed genuinely confused about it (now i know why).

Eventually she left me and then she started dating him.

This is where everything became even more fucked up for me because so many of the things i had imagined before actually started happening in a really specific way. Not every single tiny detail obviously, but enough of it that i couldn't just look at it and go "yeah whatever this means nothing". The things i had literally sat in my room imagining as the worst possible future were now actually happening to me. Like very specifically in a very specific order. I think a fucking idiot would just say this is a coincidence at this point in time.

I had spent months creating these scenarios in my head and feeling them as if they were real, and now i was actually living through them. The pain was fucking insane. And this is something i think is important because it wasn't just that i "thought negative thoughts". I gave those thoughts so much importance that they basically became reality to me before anything even happened (the literal opposite of my previous situation). When i imagined her leaving me, i wasn't thinking "haha imagine if this happened". I was sitting there feeling the pain of it, seeing it, replaying it and convincing myself that this was going to happen.

So when it eventually happened, obviously it destroyed me but it actually caused me to discover Neville and manifestation. All this time i actually didnt know shit about the law, manifestation or Neville lol it was all unconscious. And honestly? I sometimes wish i never did discover it in the way that i did.

So when i discovered all of this, i basically went down the biggest rabbit hole of my fucking life. I started reading Neville, Law of Assumption, manifestation, SATS, living in the end, detachment, 3d, bridge of incidents, affirmations, all of it. I was trying to understand what the fuck had actually happened to me and if there was some kind of explanation for it. No joke i probably had like 50 hours on reddit in a single week. At first i actually thought this was amazing. I thought i had found the answer. Like holy shit, maybe this is something i can actually understand and use, consciously this time. But ironically this is when things became the hardest for me.

I started thinking that there must be some exact way to do it. I'd read one person saying you have to live in the end, another saying you need to feel it real, another saying you need SATS, another saying you should affirm all day, another saying you should forget about it, another saying you should never look at the 3d, another saying circumstances don't matter etc. I was trying all of it.

I was constantly thinking about manifestation. Constantly checking how i felt. Constantly checking the 3d. Constantly wondering if i was doing something wrong. I was basically taking something that used to be completely natural to me and turning it into a fucking science project. The funniest part is that the more i tried to use the law the more tension i created. I was trying so hard to get the thing i wanted that i was basically reminding myself all day that i dont in fact have it. I would imagine something and this time instead of "wow that was a nice imaginary scene that felt very real to me anyway im gonna go live my life" it was "was that good enough?". Id have a single bad thought and go "fuuuuck i just ruined everything". Eventually i realized that i was completely missing the point of what had happened to me before.

When the 3p appeared the first time, i didn't care. I didn't sit there thinking "okay, i need to manifest him disappearing". I didn't do SATS about him leaving. I didn't affirm 500 times. I literally just knew it meant nothing. Even fucking less than nothing. That was it.

After the breakup, obviously i wanted her back. A LOT but instead of trying to recreate some perfect feeling 24/7, i started going back to that old feeling i had before. That feeling where the outcome was just... settled.

I started imagining us together again sometimes, but not because i was scared that if i didn't imagine it enough she wouldn't come back. I did it because i liked it. Sometimes i'd imagine us talking normally again, sometimes we'd be laughing, sometimes i'd imagine telling someone that we were together again. I also used to actually think of the old story but i was kinda of a doctor when i did. I looked at the bad unhealthy stuff and just decided to see it differently this time. For fun of course. Not to make anything happen or change. This is called revision in the Neville terms but it wasnt the only amazing thing i learned from Neville.

My favorite part about what Neville taught me and now it's actually helpful... there was this scene i made with her mother.

I had a really good relationship with her mother, so i thought about what would actually make me feel like everything was normal again. I tried imagining being with my ex in bed and all the sensory details... her hair on my skin, her body touching me, her voice whispering "i missed you so much", the bed sheets on my body, it was too much at once, and honestly it was pretty hard for me during the day, so i made a different scene.

I imagined being in their kitchen, her mother coming up to me, smiling and hugging me and saying "im so glad you are together again, she missed you so much." That was it yet it felt amazing, i think this was the first time i felt the same way i felt back then when i was doing it unconsciously. I wasn't trying to imagine exactly how my ex would come back. I wasn't imagining a specific text message or a specific date or some crazy bridge of incidents. I just wanted to experience what it would feel like if everything was already normal again and then i'd go do something else.

This was probably the biggest change for me because i finally stopped making manifestation my entire fucking life. I didnt check her social media anymore or wonder if i ruined something with a single thought, i was just content with my sweet little scene because it made me fulfilled, the same way i did it back then without knowing it.

I should probably mention how fucking absolute shit the circumstances were but i wont in too much detail. Just know that there was a lot of toxic stuff, threats, police and some stuff i rather not say, not because its triggering to me i actually find it silly now but because its private and not safe for work. That should tell you enough lol.

So yeah after the deep, deep shit hole i crawled out of due to these terrible events that affected my mentality i then started talking to people again, seeing friends, making videos, exercising, going outside, doing shit that actually made me happy. I even started talking to other girls. I still wanted her, there was nothing wrong with that, it never really disappeared, it was there everyday however this time it was there in a nice way. I just stopped being fucking terrified that i wasn't going to get what i wanted. I wasn't constantly waiting for something to happen anymore. Honestly that was probably the first time since the breakup where i felt like myself again. That guy was officially back.

I also stopped trying to figure out the HOW. This was a huge one for me because i was obsessed with it before. I wanted to know how she would come back, when she would text me, what would happen with the 3p, whether we'd randomly meet somewhere, whether she'd suddenly realize she wanted me back etc. I wanted to basically know the entire bridge before it even happened.

But then i thought about that first situation with the 3p and realized how fucking different i was back then. I had absolutely no idea how anything was going to happen. I didn't know he was going to move away. I didn't know what she was going to do. I didn't know what anyone was going to do. I just knew what i wanted the end to be and that was enough for me so i stopped trying to solve the fucking universe. I just went "yeah, this is what i want" and left the rest alone.

Well i just lived like this for some time, i dont know how long i didnt count any days cause i truly just did not care that much. Then, of course, it happened.

A message has appeared.

Wow cool, its you, my ex, thats nice but like im kinda already with you in my imagination so whatever the fuck happens next its whatever you know. That was my mindset lmao and it felt amazing. So we did start talking, it was very normal, nothing special or amazing. It was very fucking weird to not care about this especially since at some point i couldnt bear the thought of it NOT happening.

It also wasnt some magical thing where everything instantly went back to normal tho. There were actual problems that had happened and that needed a conversation between us to solve them. It was very natural for me though. I had to take responsibility for some of the things, she had her own feelings about everything and we didnt just pretend the breakup didnt happen. We got closer and got back together, COMPLETELY NORMAL by the way. Sorry i keep remembering how normal it felt i still cant believe it. I was happy though, really happy but mostly felt calm.

I thought i'd be screaming, crying, jumping around my room, thinking "HOLY SHIT I DID IT". Instead i just felt like everything had returned to where it was supposed to be and looking back, i think that's probably why the scene with her mother worked so well for me personally because It wasn't about making some huge event happen, it was about making the relationship feel NORMAL. Her mother wasn't giving me some crazy news about how my manifestation finally worked. She was just hugging me and saying she was glad we were together again, it was just a normal thing and that's exactly what it felt like when it actually happened.

Now obviously i wont sit here and tell you "this proves the law is 100% real and this is exactly how manifestation works". Maybe it was manifestation, maybe it was psychology or something else completely i dont know and will probably never know, all i know is what worked for me. I feel like it always works different for every single person. Some call it a prayer, some law, some manifestation, some coincidence. There isnt one definite answer and i wont confidently write here claiming i know everything about the world now because guys i literally just had fun in my head.

If you asked me what technique i used i honestly wouldn't know what to tell you. SATS? Sure, i did it sometimes. It was a weird sats tho, i dont think i ever fully did it right. Visualization? Yeah. Affirmations? Sometimes. Living in the end? I guess. Detachment? Eventually.

But none of those things feel like the actual answer to me. The actual difference was that i stopped treating manifestation like a fucking job. I could sit there and imagine some random scenario with my future girlfriend and just enjoy it. There was no pressure. I wasn't wondering if it was "working". I wasn't thinking about the law. I wasn't trying to get into the perfect state. It was just fun and turns out its exactly what i used to do before all this, with the first "success".

Oh yeah and the 3p right you guys are probably wondering about that. I dont think he exists anymore like its so weird and i dont even care anymore. I mean im sure hes alive im not saying he died, i mean maybe i dont know afterall because i simply do not care. Thats all. They just kinda separated and he became a ghost. Watch him suddenly appear again when i start treating my thoughts like "shes probably gonna leave me" as 100% real facts again (i wont this time lol).

Well thats about it i think. Its a cool story for sure. Maybe one day someone will actually explain some of this through psychology or neuroscience and i'll look back and realize there was a completely normal explanation for everything. Or maybe we never will understand it and theres something stranger going on.. i dont know. And frankly i dont even care like im just having fun on this little planet who cares if theres angel godly creatures, secret laws of life or aliens controling us and this is a simulation. Just have fun people who cares?

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 4 days ago

I stopped trying to manifest it, let go of the HOW, and somehow everything changed

I honestly don't have a definitive answer to any of this.

But I've had enough weird experiences that I personally cannot just dismiss the whole thing as nonsense.

One of the biggest examples is my relationship with someone.

Before I even knew she existed, I used to imagine what my ideal girlfriend would be like. Not just “I want a nice girl”, but really specific stuff. What she would look like, what movies she would like, what games she'd play with me, what we'd enjoy doing together, what the relationship would feel like etc.

I wasn't even looking for someone like that. I just liked imagining it.

Then I met her.

As I got to know her I kept finding all these weird similarities between her and what I imagined. Some of them were so specific that it honestly shocked me.

Obviously I can explain parts of it psychologically. Maybe my preferences influenced who I noticed, maybe I was naturally attracted to people who already fit what I liked.

But the overall thing was still really strange.

Then something happened while we were already together.

We had a serious conflict (i messaged another girl) and she wasn't sure if she wanted to stay with me. There was another guy involved (3p) and people were literally sending me pictures of them talking. She was telling me about him herself.

But internally I had this really deep feeling that she would stay with me and that everything would be okay.

I payed zero attention to those things and frankly didn't even care. I even laughed at it all saying "oh no what will i do now i guess it's over".

I wasn't trying to make it happen though.

I wasn't constantly visualizing, checking for signs or affirming all day.

Basically, i didn't take any concious manifesting action such as techniques.

I just simply felt like the outcome was already settled somehow.

I continued living my life, making videos on my youtube, doing my own stuff etc.

About a week later, that guy unexpectedly moved away from the city with his family.

It was like he never existed shortly after that.

Maybe because i didn't even pay any attention to the whole situation? I don't know and i don't think i ever will know.

Eventually our relationship continued and for a while it actually became even better than before.

She became more affectionate, gave me presents, put our pictures on her wall and things genuinely seemed to improve.

At the time I thought it was interesting.

But then I had basically the exact opposite experience.

After we'd been together for around 2.5 years, I started getting really strong fears that she would leave me.

I kept thinking things like:

“first relationships always end”

“she'll eventually want to experience love with someone else”

“someone else will appear and she'll choose him”

I started having dreams and mental images about those things too.

The important part wasn't just that I had those thoughts.

I started believing they were actually telling me the truth about my future.

And over the next couple of months, our relationship gradually got worse.

She started talking to that same guy again.

And now, something I find extremely funny — and absolutely insane — is that she was actually very confused because it seemed like this specific third-party guy only appeared whenever our relationship was in a bad spot or we were fighting a lot.

I’ll never forget what she said to me:

“Why does he always appear whenever things are bad between you and me?”

Almost like she was annoyed by it.

Eventually she left me.

And then started dating him.

A lot of the things I had imagined beforehand ended up happening in a really specific way.

I had these very specific nightmares and visions about things that would happen and eventually lead to the end of our relationship.

And then, one by one, they all happened in a terrifyingly specific way.

It wasn't simply that I had those scenes and thoughts in my head and then they happened.

It was the way I treated those thoughts.

I gave them all the importance you could possibly give a thought.

I made myself treat them as something that was literally real and would happen without a shadow of a doubt.

The pain I felt while replaying those thoughts over and over again was so real, so incredibly real, that it felt like it was actually happening RIGHT NOW.

That's why I have a hard time just saying “it's all coincidence”.

But at the same time, I don't think it's intellectually honest to say “therefore I've scientifically proven manifestation”.

I haven't.

I genuinely don't know.

Maybe assumptions influence our attention, behavior, expectations and relationships in ways we don't notice.

Maybe there are psychological mechanisms involved... maybe there's something beyond that.

I don't know. All i know is that it would be very foolish of me to dismiss it as coincidence.

There was another experience that made me think about this differently.

There was a period where I was really at the bottom emotionally. One night I was crying, falling asleep, and basically asked God, the universe, or whatever might be out there for some help and direction.

I eventually got into this weird state of acceptance where I thought:

“eventually all of this will end anyway, so I don't have to be terrified of every problem right now.”

And I suddenly became really calm and fell asleep.

Then I woke up to a phone call from my dad.

Completely unexpectedly he asked if everything was okay and if I wanted to talk.

He gave me guidance about my life, things I could start doing, and told me I could always come to him and we'd figure things out together.

Can I prove that my request somehow caused that phone call?

Obviously not.

Maybe he had already been thinking about me.

Maybe it was coincidence. I have no idea.

But emotionally that moment meant a lot to me because I asked for some kind of help, finally let go, and then help came from somewhere I wasn't expecting.

So that's basically where I was with all of this.

I didn't know if I believed manifestation was literally a universal law.

I didn't know if Neville's metaphysics were objectively correct.

But I also couldn't look at all these experiences and say “nothing happened, it's all stupid.”

There was something there that I wanted to understand.

Eventually I wanted my relationship back.

And at first I made it WAY more complicated than it needed to be.

I went back to Neville, Law of Assumption, SATS, living in the end, detachment, particular person stuff etc. and I kept wondering:

am I doing SATS correctly

am I visualizing vividly enough

should I affirm more

should I stop thinking about her

should I think about her but pretend she's already mine

am I attached

am I detached

should I look for signs

is this a bridge of incidents

is that a bridge of incidents

Basically I was trying to find the perfect thing to do before I allowed myself to believe everything was okay.

Eventually I realized something.

I'd already experienced the state I was looking for before.

It wasn't some magical feeling.

It wasn't being euphoric all day.

It wasn't convincing myself I could control another person.

It was that feeling I had during the earlier conflict.

I didn't know how things would work out.

I didn't know what the other guy would do.

I didn't know what she would decide.

I couldn't explain the circumstances.

But internally I had already accepted the ending I wanted.

It just felt settled.

So after the breakup, I stopped trying to force myself into some perfect manifestation state.

I started imagining what it would feel like if the relationship was already normal again.

Sometimes I'd imagine us talking normally.

Sometimes laughing together.

Sometimes I'd imagine telling someone “yeah, we're together again.”

I also created this amazing scene with her mother, who I had a very good and friendly relationship with.

As it was hard for me to imagine all the sensory details of the first scene I had in mind — us together in bed, our skin touching, her smell, her breath on my face, her hair on my skin, her gently touching my chest and whispering, “I'm so glad we're together again, I missed you” — it was way too much for me to imagine, especially during the day.

So instead, I created this scene with her mother instead.

In my scene, we were in her kitchen (they lived together), and her mother was standing there smiling at me.

She came up to me and hugged me, then said, “I'm so glad you are together again, she missed you so much.”

I wasn't imagining exactly how she'd come back.

I wasn't imagining specific messages arriving at a certain time.

I wasn't trying to manipulate her thoughts.

I wasn't even trying to make the scenes insanely vivid.

I just wanted to experience what it would feel like if the relationship was normal again.

Then I'd go back to my life.

And that part was probably the most important.

Because I'd spent so much time thinking that if I stopped focusing on the manifestation, I'd somehow ruin it.

Eventually I realized how backwards that was.

If I genuinely believed something was settled, why would I need to spend 12 hours a day checking if it was happening?

So I stopped.

Stopped checking her social media, analyzing everything she did, looking for signs, asking myself whether today's circumstances meant I was closer or further away.

Most importantly, I stopped making my life revolve around whether she was coming back.

I started seeing friends again.

Returned to my youtube channel.

Exercised.

Went outside.

Even dated other girls.

Just started taking care of myself.

Got interested in things that had nothing to do with her.

Weirdly, the more I lived normally, the less desperate everything felt.

I still wanted her.

I wasn't pretending I didn't.

But wanting something and being terrified that you won't get it are two completely different things.

I could think “I'd love for us to be together again” without immediately thinking “but what if she never comes back?”

When that second thought appeared, I didn't fight it.

I didn't do another 1 hour manifestation session to fix it.

I just returned to the assumption I actually wanted to live from.

“Whatever happens externally, I know what I've chosen internally.”

At some point something changed.

I cannot tell you exactly when.

There wasn't some magical morning where I woke up and knew it had worked.

If anything, I became less interested in whether it was working.

I realized I wasn't waiting anymore.

I was just living.

And that was probably the biggest difference between this attempt and everything I'd done before.

I wasn't using manifestation to escape my life anymore.

I was using imagination as a place to experience something I wanted, and then returning to the life I was actually living.

I also stopped trying to figure out the how (that was one of my biggest problems).

How will she come back?

Will she message me?

Will we randomly meet?

Will something happen with the other guy?

Will someone say something to her?

Will circumstances change?

I wanted a logical chain of events.

But if I already knew exactly how it had to happen, then I wasn't really trusting the outcome.

So I left that alone.

And eventually things started changing.

Not in some ridiculous movie sequence where the universe announced that my manifestation had arrived.

Just small things.

Circumstances started shifting.

Communication became possible again.

Things that had seemed completely impossible before weren't quite as impossible anymore.

Eventually we did start talking again.

I remember how strange it felt.

Externally this was exactly what I'd been desperately waiting for.

But internally I wasn't as shocked as I thought I'd be.

It was almost like part of me had already experienced it.

We slowly became closer again.

There were conversations.

There were difficult emotions.

We had to address what happened.

It wasn't as simple as pretending the breakup never happened.

And I think this is important because I don't want to tell this story like I somehow bypassed reality.

I didn't.

There were actual conversations.

Actual choices.

Things both of us had to work through.

I still had to communicate.

I still had to listen.

I still had to change things where I'd made mistakes.

Manifestation didn't mean sitting in my room while reality magically repaired itself.

At least that's not how it felt to me.

Eventually we got back together.

The funny thing is when it actually happened, I didn't feel the huge overwhelming victory I had imagined.

I mostly felt calm.

Because the thing I'd spent so much time trying to obtain had stopped feeling like something I needed to chase.

It had become normal again.

That's when I realized something much more important than “how to manifest an ex”.

My biggest mistake was never actually wanting her.

It was making the present prove to me that I was allowed to believe in the future I wanted.

Every time I looked at circumstances and thought:

“she's not here, so it isn't working”

I was giving the current situation authority over what I believed was possible.

When I stopped doing that, I didn't become delusional. I just stopped treating uncertainty as proof of failure.

I still don't know whether my imagination literally caused the external events.

Maybe changing my assumptions changed my behavior.

Maybe I became less anxious and therefore interacted with people differently.

Maybe I noticed opportunities I would've ignored before.

Maybe circumstances just changed naturally.

Maybe there was something else.

I genuinely don't know and i don't think it's worth figuring it out. I don't even think we, as human can.

But I do know what happened inside me.

I stopped living from the fear of losing something and started living from the feeling that what I wanted was already possible.

Ironically that was when I became capable of actually living again.

Another funny realization I had was how obsessed I became with trying to understand manifestation.

I was spending hours reading Reddit every day, constantly feeling like there was one more thing I needed to discover before I could finally understand it and start living.

THEN I realized that THIS was basically my assumption:

“there is something else I need to figure out before I can live.”

And that's exactly what I was doing and what was happening.

Sitting in my room.

Thinking.

Researching.

Analyzing.

Waiting.

Postponing life.

When I stopped doing that and started actually living again — seeing friends, exercising, making videos, going out, taking care of myself, studying — everything started feeling different.

So my approach now is really simple.

I know what I want.

I imagine the end sometimes because I genuinely enjoy it.

I allow myself to experience it internally as something that is already settled.

I don't try to figure out how or when.

I don't check for signs.

I don't stalk social media.

I don't obsessively repeat techniques.

Then I live my life and if an actual opportunity to do something appears, obviously I act.

I still don't know whether external events are literally being “manifested” by consciousness, whether assumptions change behavior and perception, or whether there's some mechanism we don't understand.

I just know that this has been useful and strangely consistent in my own life.

So I don't want to blindly believe it.

But I also don't want to blindly reject it.

I think there's a middle ground:

“I don't know how it works. I don't know if I'll ever be able to prove it. But I've experienced enough to remain open to it, use what genuinely helps me, and keep living my life instead of spending my entire life trying to solve the mystery.”

That's probably the most honest position I can take.

Because if there's one thing I learned from all of this, it's that the biggest danger isn't believing in manifestation but its turning manifestation itself into another thing that keeps you from living.

You can spend years asking whether consciousness creates reality.

You can spend years looking for proof.

You can spend years analyzing every coincidence.

You can spend years wondering if you're doing it correctly.

OR you can decide what you want, allow yourself to imagine it, and then go experience the life that's already in front of you.

Maybe manifestation is real exactly the way Neville described it.

Maybe it isn't.

Maybe one day we'll understand some psychological mechanism that explains experiences like mine.

Maybe we'll discover something much stranger.

I still don't know and the amazing part is that i don't need to know anymore.

I know what I want.

I know what I can control.

I know what I can imagine.

For me, that's what “living in the end” ended up meaning.

Not pretending, forcing or waiting.

Just deciding what I want internally, allowing myself to experience it, and then turning around and actually living my life.

That's also when I stopped feeling like I needed manifestation to save my life because i was just simply living it :)

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 5 days ago

She left me for the 3P… I stopped trying to manifest her back and she came back. My SP success story + what actually worked

I honestly don't have a definitive answer to any of this.

But I've had enough weird experiences that I personally cannot just dismiss the whole thing as nonsense.

One of the biggest examples is my relationship with someone.

Before I even knew she existed, I used to imagine what my ideal girlfriend would be like. Not just “I want a nice girl”, but really specific stuff. What she would look like, what movies she would like, what games she'd play with me, what we'd enjoy doing together, what the relationship would feel like etc.

I wasn't even looking for someone like that. I just liked imagining it.

Then I met her.

As I got to know her I kept finding all these weird similarities between her and what I imagined. Some of them were so specific that it honestly shocked me.

Obviously I can explain parts of it psychologically. Maybe my preferences influenced who I noticed, maybe I was naturally attracted to people who already fit what I liked.

But the overall thing was still really strange.

Then something happened while we were already together.

We had a serious conflict (i messaged another girl) and she wasn't sure if she wanted to stay with me. There was another guy involved (3p) and people were literally sending me pictures of them talking. She was telling me about him herself.

But internally I had this really deep feeling that she would stay with me and that everything would be okay.

I payed zero attention to those things and frankly didn't even care. I even laughed at it all saying "oh no what will i do now i guess it's over".

I wasn't trying to make it happen though.

I wasn't constantly visualizing, checking for signs or affirming all day.

Basically, i didn't take any concious manifesting action such as techniques.

I just simply felt like the outcome was already settled somehow.

I continued living my life, making videos on my youtube, doing my own stuff etc.

About a week later, that guy unexpectedly moved away from the city with his family.

It was like he never existed shortly after that.

Maybe because i didn't even pay any attention to the whole situation? I don't know and i don't think i ever will know.

Eventually our relationship continued and for a while it actually became even better than before.

She became more affectionate, gave me presents, put our pictures on her wall and things genuinely seemed to improve.

At the time I thought it was interesting.

But then I had basically the exact opposite experience.

After we'd been together for around 2.5 years, I started getting really strong fears that she would leave me.

I kept thinking things like:

“first relationships always end”

“she'll eventually want to experience love with someone else”

“someone else will appear and she'll choose him”

I started having dreams and mental images about those things too.

The important part wasn't just that I had those thoughts.

I started believing they were actually telling me the truth about my future.

And over the next couple of months, our relationship gradually got worse.

She started talking to that same guy again.

And now, something I find extremely funny — and absolutely insane — is that she was actually very confused because it seemed like this specific third-party guy only appeared whenever our relationship was in a bad spot or we were fighting a lot.

I’ll never forget what she said to me:

“Why does he always appear whenever things are bad between you and me?”

Almost like she was annoyed by it.

Eventually she left me.

And then started dating him.

A lot of the things I had imagined beforehand ended up happening in a really specific way.

I had these very specific nightmares and visions about things that would happen and eventually lead to the end of our relationship.

And then, one by one, they all happened in a terrifyingly specific way.

It wasn't simply that I had those scenes and thoughts in my head and then they happened.

It was the way I treated those thoughts.

I gave them all the importance you could possibly give a thought.

I made myself treat them as something that was literally real and would happen without a shadow of a doubt.

The pain I felt while replaying those thoughts over and over again was so real, so incredibly real, that it felt like it was actually happening RIGHT NOW.

That's why I have a hard time just saying “it's all coincidence”.

But at the same time, I don't think it's intellectually honest to say “therefore I've scientifically proven manifestation”.

I haven't.

I genuinely don't know.

Maybe assumptions influence our attention, behavior, expectations and relationships in ways we don't notice.

Maybe there are psychological mechanisms involved... maybe there's something beyond that.

I don't know. All i know is that it would be very foolish of me to dismiss it as coincidence.

There was another experience that made me think about this differently.

There was a period where I was really at the bottom emotionally. One night I was crying, falling asleep, and basically asked God, the universe, or whatever might be out there for some help and direction.

I eventually got into this weird state of acceptance where I thought:

“eventually all of this will end anyway, so I don't have to be terrified of every problem right now.”

And I suddenly became really calm and fell asleep.

Then I woke up to a phone call from my dad.

Completely unexpectedly he asked if everything was okay and if I wanted to talk.

He gave me guidance about my life, things I could start doing, and told me I could always come to him and we'd figure things out together.

Can I prove that my request somehow caused that phone call?

Obviously not.

Maybe he had already been thinking about me.

Maybe it was coincidence. I have no idea.

But emotionally that moment meant a lot to me because I asked for some kind of help, finally let go, and then help came from somewhere I wasn't expecting.

So that's basically where I was with all of this.

I didn't know if I believed manifestation was literally a universal law.

I didn't know if Neville's metaphysics were objectively correct.

But I also couldn't look at all these experiences and say “nothing happened, it's all stupid.”

There was something there that I wanted to understand.

Eventually I wanted my relationship back.

And at first I made it WAY more complicated than it needed to be.

I went back to Neville, Law of Assumption, SATS, living in the end, detachment, particular person stuff etc. and I kept wondering:

am I doing SATS correctly

am I visualizing vividly enough

should I affirm more

should I stop thinking about her

should I think about her but pretend she's already mine

am I attached

am I detached

should I look for signs

is this a bridge of incidents

is that a bridge of incidents

Basically I was trying to find the perfect thing to do before I allowed myself to believe everything was okay.

Eventually I realized something.

I'd already experienced the state I was looking for before.

It wasn't some magical feeling.

It wasn't being euphoric all day.

It wasn't convincing myself I could control another person.

It was that feeling I had during the earlier conflict.

I didn't know how things would work out.

I didn't know what the other guy would do.

I didn't know what she would decide.

I couldn't explain the circumstances.

But internally I had already accepted the ending I wanted.

It just felt settled.

So after the breakup, I stopped trying to force myself into some perfect manifestation state.

I started imagining what it would feel like if the relationship was already normal again.

Sometimes I'd imagine us talking normally.

Sometimes laughing together.

Sometimes I'd imagine telling someone “yeah, we're together again.”

I also created this amazing scene with her mother, who I had a very good and friendly relationship with.

As it was hard for me to imagine all the sensory details of the first scene I had in mind — us together in bed, our skin touching, her smell, her breath on my face, her hair on my skin, her gently touching my chest and whispering, “I'm so glad we're together again, I missed you” — it was way too much for me to imagine, especially during the day.

So instead, I created this scene with her mother instead.

In my scene, we were in her kitchen (they lived together), and her mother was standing there smiling at me.

She came up to me and hugged me, then said, “I'm so glad you are together again, she missed you so much.”

I wasn't imagining exactly how she'd come back.

I wasn't imagining specific messages arriving at a certain time.

I wasn't trying to manipulate her thoughts.

I wasn't even trying to make the scenes insanely vivid.

I just wanted to experience what it would feel like if the relationship was normal again.

Then I'd go back to my life.

And that part was probably the most important.

Because I'd spent so much time thinking that if I stopped focusing on the manifestation, I'd somehow ruin it.

Eventually I realized how backwards that was.

If I genuinely believed something was settled, why would I need to spend 12 hours a day checking if it was happening?

So I stopped.

Stopped checking her social media, analyzing everything she did, looking for signs, asking myself whether today's circumstances meant I was closer or further away.

Most importantly, I stopped making my life revolve around whether she was coming back.

I started seeing friends again.

Returned to my youtube channel.

Exercised.

Went outside.

Even dated other girls.

Just started taking care of myself.

Got interested in things that had nothing to do with her.

Weirdly, the more I lived normally, the less desperate everything felt.

I still wanted her.

I wasn't pretending I didn't.

But wanting something and being terrified that you won't get it are two completely different things.

I could think “I'd love for us to be together again” without immediately thinking “but what if she never comes back?”

When that second thought appeared, I didn't fight it.

I didn't do another 1 hour manifestation session to fix it.

I just returned to the assumption I actually wanted to live from.

“Whatever happens externally, I know what I've chosen internally.”

At some point something changed.

I cannot tell you exactly when.

There wasn't some magical morning where I woke up and knew it had worked.

If anything, I became less interested in whether it was working.

I realized I wasn't waiting anymore.

I was just living.

And that was probably the biggest difference between this attempt and everything I'd done before.

I wasn't using manifestation to escape my life anymore.

I was using imagination as a place to experience something I wanted, and then returning to the life I was actually living.

I also stopped trying to figure out the how (that was one of my biggest problems).

How will she come back?

Will she message me?

Will we randomly meet?

Will something happen with the other guy?

Will someone say something to her?

Will circumstances change?

I wanted a logical chain of events.

But if I already knew exactly how it had to happen, then I wasn't really trusting the outcome.

So I left that alone.

And eventually things started changing.

Not in some ridiculous movie sequence where the universe announced that my manifestation had arrived.

Just small things.

Circumstances started shifting.

Communication became possible again.

Things that had seemed completely impossible before weren't quite as impossible anymore.

Eventually we did start talking again.

I remember how strange it felt.

Externally this was exactly what I'd been desperately waiting for.

But internally I wasn't as shocked as I thought I'd be.

It was almost like part of me had already experienced it.

We slowly became closer again.

There were conversations.

There were difficult emotions.

We had to address what happened.

It wasn't as simple as pretending the breakup never happened.

And I think this is important because I don't want to tell this story like I somehow bypassed reality.

I didn't.

There were actual conversations.

Actual choices.

Things both of us had to work through.

I still had to communicate.

I still had to listen.

I still had to change things where I'd made mistakes.

Manifestation didn't mean sitting in my room while reality magically repaired itself.

At least that's not how it felt to me.

Eventually we got back together.

The funny thing is when it actually happened, I didn't feel the huge overwhelming victory I had imagined.

I mostly felt calm.

Because the thing I'd spent so much time trying to obtain had stopped feeling like something I needed to chase.

It had become normal again.

That's when I realized something much more important than “how to manifest an ex”.

My biggest mistake was never actually wanting her.

It was making the present prove to me that I was allowed to believe in the future I wanted.

Every time I looked at circumstances and thought:

“she's not here, so it isn't working”

I was giving the current situation authority over what I believed was possible.

When I stopped doing that, I didn't become delusional. I just stopped treating uncertainty as proof of failure.

I still don't know whether my imagination literally caused the external events.

Maybe changing my assumptions changed my behavior.

Maybe I became less anxious and therefore interacted with people differently.

Maybe I noticed opportunities I would've ignored before.

Maybe circumstances just changed naturally.

Maybe there was something else.

I genuinely don't know and i don't think it's worth figuring it out. I don't even think we, as human can.

But I do know what happened inside me.

I stopped living from the fear of losing something and started living from the feeling that what I wanted was already possible.

Ironically that was when I became capable of actually living again.

Another funny realization I had was how obsessed I became with trying to understand manifestation.

I was spending hours reading Reddit every day, constantly feeling like there was one more thing I needed to discover before I could finally understand it and start living.

THEN I realized that THIS was basically my assumption:

“there is something else I need to figure out before I can live.”

And that's exactly what I was doing and what was happening.

Sitting in my room.

Thinking.

Researching.

Analyzing.

Waiting.

Postponing life.

When I stopped doing that and started actually living again — seeing friends, exercising, making videos, going out, taking care of myself, studying — everything started feeling different.

So my approach now is really simple.

I know what I want.

I imagine the end sometimes because I genuinely enjoy it.

I allow myself to experience it internally as something that is already settled.

I don't try to figure out how or when.

I don't check for signs.

I don't stalk social media.

I don't obsessively repeat techniques.

Then I live my life and if an actual opportunity to do something appears, obviously I act.

I still don't know whether external events are literally being “manifested” by consciousness, whether assumptions change behavior and perception, or whether there's some mechanism we don't understand.

I just know that this has been useful and strangely consistent in my own life.

So I don't want to blindly believe it.

But I also don't want to blindly reject it.

I think there's a middle ground:

“I don't know how it works. I don't know if I'll ever be able to prove it. But I've experienced enough to remain open to it, use what genuinely helps me, and keep living my life instead of spending my entire life trying to solve the mystery.”

That's probably the most honest position I can take.

Because if there's one thing I learned from all of this, it's that the biggest danger isn't believing in manifestation but its turning manifestation itself into another thing that keeps you from living.

You can spend years asking whether consciousness creates reality.

You can spend years looking for proof.

You can spend years analyzing every coincidence.

You can spend years wondering if you're doing it correctly.

OR you can decide what you want, allow yourself to imagine it, and then go experience the life that's already in front of you.

Maybe manifestation is real exactly the way Neville described it.

Maybe it isn't.

Maybe one day we'll understand some psychological mechanism that explains experiences like mine.

Maybe we'll discover something much stranger.

I still don't know and the amazing part is that i don't need to know anymore.

I know what I want.

I know what I can control.

I know what I can imagine.

For me, that's what “living in the end” ended up meaning.

Not pretending, forcing or waiting.

Just deciding what I want internally, allowing myself to experience it, and then turning around and actually living my life.

That's also when I stopped feeling like I needed manifestation to save my life because i was just simply living it :)

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 5 days ago

My biggest manifestation success happened when I stopped trying to manifest

I honestly don't have a definitive answer to any of this.

But I've had enough weird experiences that I personally cannot just dismiss the whole thing as nonsense.

One of the biggest examples is my relationship with someone.

Before I even knew she existed, I used to imagine what my ideal girlfriend would be like. Not just “I want a nice girl”, but really specific stuff. What she would look like, what movies she would like, what games she'd play with me, what we'd enjoy doing together, what the relationship would feel like etc.

I wasn't even looking for someone like that. I just liked imagining it.

Then I met her.

As I got to know her I kept finding all these weird similarities between her and what I imagined. Some of them were so specific that it honestly shocked me.

Obviously I can explain parts of it psychologically. Maybe my preferences influenced who I noticed, maybe I was naturally attracted to people who already fit what I liked.

But the overall thing was still really strange.

Then something happened while we were already together.

We had a serious conflict (i messaged another girl) and she wasn't sure if she wanted to stay with me. There was another guy involved (3p) and people were literally sending me pictures of them talking. She was telling me about him herself.

But internally I had this really deep feeling that she would stay with me and that everything would be okay.

I payed zero attention to those things and frankly didn't even care. I even laughed at it all saying "oh no what will i do now i guess it's over".

I wasn't trying to make it happen though.

I wasn't constantly visualizing, checking for signs or affirming all day.

Basically, i didn't take any concious manifesting action such as techniques.

I just simply felt like the outcome was already settled somehow.

I continued living my life, making videos on my youtube, doing my own stuff etc.

About a week later, that guy unexpectedly moved away from the city with his family.

It was like he never existed shortly after that.

Maybe because i didn't even pay any attention to the whole situation? I don't know and i don't think i ever will know.

Eventually our relationship continued and for a while it actually became even better than before.

She became more affectionate, gave me presents, put our pictures on her wall and things genuinely seemed to improve.

At the time I thought it was interesting.

But then I had basically the exact opposite experience.

After we'd been together for around 2.5 years, I started getting really strong fears that she would leave me.

I kept thinking things like:

“first relationships always end”

“she'll eventually want to experience love with someone else”

“someone else will appear and she'll choose him”

I started having dreams and mental images about those things too.

The important part wasn't just that I had those thoughts.

I started believing they were actually telling me the truth about my future.

And over the next couple of months, our relationship gradually got worse.

She started talking to that same guy again.

And now, something I find extremely funny — and absolutely insane — is that she was actually very confused because it seemed like this specific third-party guy only appeared whenever our relationship was in a bad spot or we were fighting a lot.

I’ll never forget what she said to me:

“Why does he always appear whenever things are bad between you and me?”

Almost like she was annoyed by it.

Eventually she left me.

And then started dating him.

A lot of the things I had imagined beforehand ended up happening in a really specific way.

I had these very specific nightmares and visions about things that would happen and eventually lead to the end of our relationship.

And then, one by one, they all happened in a terrifyingly specific way.

It wasn't simply that I had those scenes and thoughts in my head and then they happened.

It was the way I treated those thoughts.

I gave them all the importance you could possibly give a thought.

I made myself treat them as something that was literally real and would happen without a shadow of a doubt.

The pain I felt while replaying those thoughts over and over again was so real, so incredibly real, that it felt like it was actually happening RIGHT NOW.

That's why I have a hard time just saying “it's all coincidence”.

But at the same time, I don't think it's intellectually honest to say “therefore I've scientifically proven manifestation”.

I haven't.

I genuinely don't know.

Maybe assumptions influence our attention, behavior, expectations and relationships in ways we don't notice.

Maybe there are psychological mechanisms involved... maybe there's something beyond that.

I don't know. All i know is that it would be very foolish of me to dismiss it as coincidence.

There was another experience that made me think about this differently.

There was a period where I was really at the bottom emotionally. One night I was crying, falling asleep, and basically asked God, the universe, or whatever might be out there for some help and direction.

I eventually got into this weird state of acceptance where I thought:

“eventually all of this will end anyway, so I don't have to be terrified of every problem right now.”

And I suddenly became really calm and fell asleep.

Then I woke up to a phone call from my dad.

Completely unexpectedly he asked if everything was okay and if I wanted to talk.

He gave me guidance about my life, things I could start doing, and told me I could always come to him and we'd figure things out together.

Can I prove that my request somehow caused that phone call?

Obviously not.

Maybe he had already been thinking about me.

Maybe it was coincidence. I have no idea.

But emotionally that moment meant a lot to me because I asked for some kind of help, finally let go, and then help came from somewhere I wasn't expecting.

So that's basically where I was with all of this.

I didn't know if I believed manifestation was literally a universal law.

I didn't know if Neville's metaphysics were objectively correct.

But I also couldn't look at all these experiences and say “nothing happened, it's all stupid.”

There was something there that I wanted to understand.

Eventually I wanted my relationship back.

And at first I made it WAY more complicated than it needed to be.

I went back to Neville, Law of Assumption, SATS, living in the end, detachment, particular person stuff etc. and I kept wondering:

am I doing SATS correctly

am I visualizing vividly enough

should I affirm more

should I stop thinking about her

should I think about her but pretend she's already mine

am I attached

am I detached

should I look for signs

is this a bridge of incidents

is that a bridge of incidents

Basically I was trying to find the perfect thing to do before I allowed myself to believe everything was okay.

Eventually I realized something.

I'd already experienced the state I was looking for before.

It wasn't some magical feeling.

It wasn't being euphoric all day.

It wasn't convincing myself I could control another person.

It was that feeling I had during the earlier conflict.

I didn't know how things would work out.

I didn't know what the other guy would do.

I didn't know what she would decide.

I couldn't explain the circumstances.

But internally I had already accepted the ending I wanted.

It just felt settled.

So after the breakup, I stopped trying to force myself into some perfect manifestation state.

I started imagining what it would feel like if the relationship was already normal again.

Sometimes I'd imagine us talking normally.

Sometimes laughing together.

Sometimes I'd imagine telling someone “yeah, we're together again.”

I also created this amazing scene with her mother, who I had a very good and friendly relationship with.

As it was hard for me to imagine all the sensory details of the first scene I had in mind — us together in bed, our skin touching, her smell, her breath on my face, her hair on my skin, her gently touching my chest and whispering, “I'm so glad we're together again, I missed you” — it was way too much for me to imagine, especially during the day.

So instead, I created this scene with her mother instead.

In my scene, we were in her kitchen (they lived together), and her mother was standing there smiling at me.

She came up to me and hugged me, then said, “I'm so glad you are together again, she missed you so much.”

I wasn't imagining exactly how she'd come back.

I wasn't imagining specific messages arriving at a certain time.

I wasn't trying to manipulate her thoughts.

I wasn't even trying to make the scenes insanely vivid.

I just wanted to experience what it would feel like if the relationship was normal again.

Then I'd go back to my life.

And that part was probably the most important.

Because I'd spent so much time thinking that if I stopped focusing on the manifestation, I'd somehow ruin it.

Eventually I realized how backwards that was.

If I genuinely believed something was settled, why would I need to spend 12 hours a day checking if it was happening?

So I stopped.

Stopped checking her social media, analyzing everything she did, looking for signs, asking myself whether today's circumstances meant I was closer or further away.

Most importantly, I stopped making my life revolve around whether she was coming back.

I started seeing friends again.

Returned to my youtube channel.

Exercised.

Went outside.

Even dated other girls.

Just started taking care of myself.

Got interested in things that had nothing to do with her.

Weirdly, the more I lived normally, the less desperate everything felt.

I still wanted her.

I wasn't pretending I didn't.

But wanting something and being terrified that you won't get it are two completely different things.

I could think “I'd love for us to be together again” without immediately thinking “but what if she never comes back?”

When that second thought appeared, I didn't fight it.

I didn't do another 1 hour manifestation session to fix it.

I just returned to the assumption I actually wanted to live from.

“Whatever happens externally, I know what I've chosen internally.”

At some point something changed.

I cannot tell you exactly when.

There wasn't some magical morning where I woke up and knew it had worked.

If anything, I became less interested in whether it was working.

I realized I wasn't waiting anymore.

I was just living.

And that was probably the biggest difference between this attempt and everything I'd done before.

I wasn't using manifestation to escape my life anymore.

I was using imagination as a place to experience something I wanted, and then returning to the life I was actually living.

I also stopped trying to figure out the how (that was one of my biggest problems).

How will she come back?

Will she message me?

Will we randomly meet?

Will something happen with the other guy?

Will someone say something to her?

Will circumstances change?

I wanted a logical chain of events.

But if I already knew exactly how it had to happen, then I wasn't really trusting the outcome.

So I left that alone.

And eventually things started changing.

Not in some ridiculous movie sequence where the universe announced that my manifestation had arrived.

Just small things.

Circumstances started shifting.

Communication became possible again.

Things that had seemed completely impossible before weren't quite as impossible anymore.

Eventually we did start talking again.

I remember how strange it felt.

Externally this was exactly what I'd been desperately waiting for.

But internally I wasn't as shocked as I thought I'd be.

It was almost like part of me had already experienced it.

We slowly became closer again.

There were conversations.

There were difficult emotions.

We had to address what happened.

It wasn't as simple as pretending the breakup never happened.

And I think this is important because I don't want to tell this story like I somehow bypassed reality.

I didn't.

There were actual conversations.

Actual choices.

Things both of us had to work through.

I still had to communicate.

I still had to listen.

I still had to change things where I'd made mistakes.

Manifestation didn't mean sitting in my room while reality magically repaired itself.

At least that's not how it felt to me.

Eventually we got back together.

The funny thing is when it actually happened, I didn't feel the huge overwhelming victory I had imagined.

I mostly felt calm.

Because the thing I'd spent so much time trying to obtain had stopped feeling like something I needed to chase.

It had become normal again.

That's when I realized something much more important than “how to manifest an ex”.

My biggest mistake was never actually wanting her.

It was making the present prove to me that I was allowed to believe in the future I wanted.

Every time I looked at circumstances and thought:

“she's not here, so it isn't working”

I was giving the current situation authority over what I believed was possible.

When I stopped doing that, I didn't become delusional. I just stopped treating uncertainty as proof of failure.

I still don't know whether my imagination literally caused the external events.

Maybe changing my assumptions changed my behavior.

Maybe I became less anxious and therefore interacted with people differently.

Maybe I noticed opportunities I would've ignored before.

Maybe circumstances just changed naturally.

Maybe there was something else.

I genuinely don't know and i don't think it's worth figuring it out. I don't even think we, as human can.

But I do know what happened inside me.

I stopped living from the fear of losing something and started living from the feeling that what I wanted was already possible.

Ironically that was when I became capable of actually living again.

Another funny realization I had was how obsessed I became with trying to understand manifestation.

I was spending hours reading Reddit every day, constantly feeling like there was one more thing I needed to discover before I could finally understand it and start living.

THEN I realized that THIS was basically my assumption:

“there is something else I need to figure out before I can live.”

And that's exactly what I was doing and what was happening.

Sitting in my room.

Thinking.

Researching.

Analyzing.

Waiting.

Postponing life.

When I stopped doing that and started actually living again — seeing friends, exercising, making videos, going out, taking care of myself, studying — everything started feeling different.

So my approach now is really simple.

I know what I want.

I imagine the end sometimes because I genuinely enjoy it.

I allow myself to experience it internally as something that is already settled.

I don't try to figure out how or when.

I don't check for signs.

I don't stalk social media.

I don't obsessively repeat techniques.

Then I live my life and if an actual opportunity to do something appears, obviously I act.

I still don't know whether external events are literally being “manifested” by consciousness, whether assumptions change behavior and perception, or whether there's some mechanism we don't understand.

I just know that this has been useful and strangely consistent in my own life.

So I don't want to blindly believe it.

But I also don't want to blindly reject it.

I think there's a middle ground:

“I don't know how it works. I don't know if I'll ever be able to prove it. But I've experienced enough to remain open to it, use what genuinely helps me, and keep living my life instead of spending my entire life trying to solve the mystery.”

That's probably the most honest position I can take.

Because if there's one thing I learned from all of this, it's that the biggest danger isn't believing in manifestation but its turning manifestation itself into another thing that keeps you from living.

You can spend years asking whether consciousness creates reality.

You can spend years looking for proof.

You can spend years analyzing every coincidence.

You can spend years wondering if you're doing it correctly.

OR you can decide what you want, allow yourself to imagine it, and then go experience the life that's already in front of you.

Maybe manifestation is real exactly the way Neville described it.

Maybe it isn't.

Maybe one day we'll understand some psychological mechanism that explains experiences like mine.

Maybe we'll discover something much stranger.

I still don't know and the amazing part is that i don't need to know anymore.

I know what I want.

I know what I can control.

I know what I can imagine.

For me, that's what “living in the end” ended up meaning.

Not pretending, forcing or waiting.

Just deciding what I want internally, allowing myself to experience it, and then turning around and actually living my life.

That's also when I stopped feeling like I needed manifestation to save my life because i was just simply living it :)

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 5 days ago

How do you understand the connection between your assumptions and your SP's actions?

I've been studying manifestation and Law of Assumption for quite a while, and there's something I've been thinking about that I'd really like to hear other people's perspectives on.

I understand the basic idea that our assumptions create our experience, and I've had experiences myself that made me take manifestation seriously, but I'm still trying to understand how the process actually works, especially when other people are involved.

For example, if someone assumes that their SP loves them, wants them, or will come back, and then the SP actually does, how do you understand what happened?

Is the idea that the assumption directly influences the other person's thoughts and decisions? Or is it more that changing your assumptions changes you, your behavior, your perception and the way you interact with the person, which then leads to a different outcome? I've also seen explanations as extreme as shifting to a different reality. That's a really interesting idea, but how do you personally understand that?

I've also been thinking about Everyone Is You Pushed Out. If other people have their own thoughts, experiences and preferences, how exactly should we understand their role in manifestation?

Let's say I assume something about a person and they later do something that I never specifically imagined. Is that still considered EIYPO? How would you explain that within Neville's teachings?

One explanation I've seen is that I must have had some unconscious assumption about it. But how could we distinguish that from simply interpreting the result that way afterwards?

Now imagine someone visualizes a scene implying that their ex is with them again.

The next day, the ex messages them asking to meet.

A lot of people would interpret this as the visualization somehow planting a seed in the other person's mind.

That's definitely interesting, but what makes you confident that this was the mechanism behind what happened?

Im not sure whether we can ever really know for sure that this is what happened. Sometimes I see people explain these events with a lot of certainty, and I'm wondering what that certainty is based on. I'm open minded to what y'all think, this isn't an attack.

Couldn't the ex have simply already been thinking about them? Couldn't they have missed them? Couldn't something in their own life have made them want to reconnect? Couldn't it just have been a coincidence?

Now let's say the ex comes back 3 years later.

Was that because of the manifestation?

Or was it simply something that happened naturally over those three years? And let's take the opposite outcome.

The ex never comes back. They move on, get married and have kids with someone else.

How do you personally interpret a situation like this? I've seen explanations like this:

“You didn't visualize correctly.”

“You didn't detach.”

“You had limiting beliefs.”

“You weren't in the state.”

“You reacted to the 3D.”

“You didn't persist.”

How do you personally understand situations where someone persists for a long time but doesn't get the result they expected?

And honestly, do you think there could be a downside to telling someone to continue imagining a life with a person who has completely moved on, has a partner, or even has an entire family?

Especially when the lack of results can always potentially be explained by saying the person didn't believe hard enough or had some hidden limiting belief?

This brings me to another thing I'm struggling with... “If it didn't manifest, you had a limiting belief.”

How could we ever test that?

If success is interpreted as evidence that the assumption worked, but failure can always be explained by an unconscious opposing belief, how do we distinguish the theory from an explanation that can accommodate basically any possible outcome?

I feel like a lot of people in this community would probably say something like “just believe,” “you have limiting beliefs,” or “don't question it,” but I'm looking for specific reasoning, personal experiences, or anything else that helped you personally distinguish manifestation from psychological mechanisms such as changed behavior, self-fulfilling prophecy, selective attention, confirmation bias, probability, coincidence, or something else I might be overlooking.

I'm open to having my perspective changed. I don't want to blindly believe it, but I also don't want to dismiss something simply because I don't currently understand how it could work.

I've spent a lot of time in my head with this stuff, and I want to make sure I'm approaching it in a healthy way rather than feeling like I have to interpret every single thing that happens as “my manifestation” or “my assumptions.”

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 6 days ago

A genuine look at The Law, causation, and EIYPO

I've been studying Neville's work and Law of Assumption for a while, and lately I've started thinking more deeply about how we can actually distinguish manifestation from other possible explanations for things that happen.

I'm not making this post to attack Neville, tell anyone that manifestation doesn't work, or mock anyone's beliefs. I'm genuinely trying to understand the philosophy from the perspective of people who have practiced it for a looong time, because there are some parts that I wanted to discuss for even more perspective on the topic.

How can we know that an assumption actually caused an external event, rather than the event being caused by psychology, changed behavior, probability, coincidence, or some combination of these things?

I see many success stories where someone says: “I assumed my person loved me / wanted me / would come back, and then they did.” I'm not saying those experiences aren't real or made up, I'm just wondering how we determine why the event happened.

There are many possibilities and we don't really know which one is real:

  1. The assumption somehow directly influenced the other person's mind.
  2. The assumption changed the person's own behavior, which then changed the relationship.
  3. The other person independently changed their mind because of their own feelings and circumstances.
  4. It was coincidence/probability.
  5. A combination of these.

What would distinguish the first explanation from the others?

This is especially interesting to me when it comes to Everyone Is You Pushed Out.

If another person has their own thoughts, experiences, preferences and decisions, how does EIYPO explain the fact that people can seemingly do things that we never expected or even thought about?

For example, if I never had any assumption about a particular actor, movie, career, invention, event, etc. how does Neville's idea explain that thing existing and unfolding anyway? I'm not just saying this disproves EIYPO, I'm asking how people who understand Neville well interpret this.

Another thing I'm curious about is stories where someone visualizes a scene implying that their ex is with them again, and then the next day the ex contacts them.

That is obviously a very interesting thing to happen if you look at it from the outside, but how do we actually know that the visualization actually caused the other person's decision?

Could the other person already have been thinking about them? Could they have independently wanted to reconnect? Could circumstances in their own life have changed? Could it simply have been a coincidence? Can we ever know for sure? And if the ex comes back three years later, how would you determine whether that was the result of the original manifestation or simply something that happened naturally over those three years?

Same thing if the ex never comes back, how should that situation be interpreted? I've seen explanations involving things like limiting beliefs, not persisting enough, reacting to the 3D, not feeling it real enough, not fully accepting the assumption, not detaching completely. I'm genuinely just interested in how people understand this.

So with all this, is there any way for a manifestation claim to actually be falsified?

Cause let's say that if success is interpreted as evidence that the assumption worked, but failure can always be explained by an unconscious opposing belief, how do we distinguish the theory from an explanation that can accommodate any possible outcome?

I'm more interested in Neville's own writings on this rather than only modern manifestation-community interpretations. If Neville directly addressed questions like these, I'd genuinely appreciate quotes or references to where he discussed them.

I feel like everyone from this community would say something like “just believe,” “you have limiting beliefs,” or “don't question it,” but I'm looking for specific reasoning, passages from Neville, personal experiences, or anything else that helped you personally distinguish manifestation from psychological mechanisms such as changed behavior, self-fulfilling prophecy, selective attention, confirmation bias, probability, or coincidence (or something else too).

I'm open to having my perspective changed. I don't want to blindly believe it, but I also don't want to dismiss something simply because I don't currently understand how it could work you know? I'd really appreciate thoughtful answers, especially from people who have studied Neville's original work.

EDIT: Another way I've been thinking about this is with a really simple example.

Imagine someone decides, “Tomorrow it will rain.” They visualize it, affirm it, feel completely certain that it's going to rain, and do everything they're supposed to do.

The next day comes, and it doesn't rain.

They do the exact same thing the next day. Again no rain.

They keep doing it every day for 10 days, and on the 10th day, it finally rains.

At that point, how would we know whether the manifestation actually caused the rain, or whether it was simply going to rain on that day anyway, and if someone says, “It worked because they persisted,” how would we distinguish that from the fact that rain was eventually going to happen anyway?

I'm not saying this proves manifestation doesn't work. I'm more interested in how someone who believes in the Law would actually interpret a situation like this. Is there a way to tell the difference? I hope this example explains what im asking better.

EDIT 2: Thank you everyone for your wonderful comments with alot of insights. I appreciate you all for showing me your perspective and understanding with an open mind.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 6 days ago

A very honest look at the whole shinga madinga with The Law and Neville

I'm not trying to attack Neville or tell anyone that manifestation doesn't work, although it seems this sub is dedicated to that exact idea. I'm genuinely trying to understand how people distinguish manifestation actually causing an event from coincidence, psychology, changed behavior, probability, or confirmation bias.

(Writing this shit here cause i'd get crucified and circumcised if i posted an honest critique and question on the neville sub.

How can people be so sure that it was their exact thought that caused something?

I came here to criticize this whole idea and hopefully find some other perspectives, because in basically any other sub, this would probably get instantly deleted or I'd get banned for even trying to question it logically. I'm doing this because I genuinely want to understand this better and, honestly, for the sake of my mental health.

For example, I see a lot of SP success stories where someone says:

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But how can we actually know that the assumption caused the other person's behavior?

How can we know that a simple thought or decision inside someone's head caused a completely different human being, with their own emotions, dreams, experiences and choices, to do something?

A lot of people would say:

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That's a cool claim, but... how do you know that?

It genuinely amazes me how confidently people talk about this stuff when so much of it doesn't seem to have any actual evidence behind it. Sometimes it sounds like the kind of shit some random drunk guy on the street would tell you and everyone just decided to build an entire philosophy around it.

But I actually want to look at this fairly and figure out what could be happening.

For an SP situation, I can think of at least a few possibilities:

  1. The assumption somehow directly influenced the other person's mind.
  2. The assumption changed the manifester's behavior, which changed the relationship.
  3. The other person independently changed their mind because of their own circumstances and feelings.
  4. It was coincidence/probability.
  5. A fucking combination of all of this.

What would actually distinguish #1 from the others?

I'm especially curious about “Everyone Is You Pushed Out.”

If another person has their own thoughts, preferences, experiences and decisions, what evidence do we have that my assumptions actually control their behavior rather than simply influencing how I interact with them?

And here's something I've always struggled with:

If everyone is you pushed out, then why does Tom Holland play a role in a new Spider-Man movie if I never assumed he would, or maybe didn't even know about him before? If everyone is literally being projected from my assumptions, how are there people, events, careers, movies, wars, inventions, etc. happening that I never even thought about?

And then there are stories like:

Someone visualizes a scene implying that their ex is with them again.

The next day, the ex messages them asking to meet.

And everyone goes:

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Okay. That's cool.

Now show me the evidence that this is what actually happened.

Silence.

Because couldn't the ex have simply already been thinking about them? Couldn't they have missed them? Couldn't something in their own life have made them want to reconnect? Couldn't it just have been coincidence?

Now let's say the ex comes back 3 years later.

Was that because of the manifestation?

Or was it coincidence?

And let's take the opposite outcome.

The ex never comes back. They move on, get married and have kids with someone else.

What does the community say then?

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At what point does the theory actually allow itself to be wrong?

And honestly, isn't it kind of... very, very bad to tell someone that they should continue imagining a life with a person who has completely moved on, has a partner, or even has an entire family?

Especially when you can always explain the lack of results by saying the person simply didn't believe or feel it real hard enough?

This brings me to another thing I'm struggling with:

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How could we ever test that?

If success proves that the assumption worked, but failure can always be explained by some hidden belief that we supposedly had somewhere in our subconscious, doesn't that make the claim unfalsifiable?

And what about people who genuinely persist for months or even years and don't get what they wanted?

What makes their experience different?

I'm not asking for: “just believe.” or “you have limiting beliefs.”

I'm asking for specific reasoning, evidence, experiments, or personal experiences that actually distinguish Law of Assumption from normal psychological mechanisms, coincidence, probability, confirmation bias, self-fulfilling prophecy, etc.

If you believe it works, what actually convinced you that it was specifically manifestation rather than one of those explanations?

And if you've changed your mind about it, what made you change your mind?

I'm genuinely open to both sides. I just want to understand this properly rather than blindly believing it or blindly dismissing it.

Because I've spent a lot of time in my head with this stuff, and I don't want to end up completely disconnected from reality because I'm constantly trying to explain everything that happens as “my manifestation” or “my assumptions.”

So yeah. If you believe in this, convince me. If you don't, tell me why.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 6 days ago

Manifestation Is Real... and It's Destroying Me

I honestly don't know what to do anymore.

Ever since I started believing manifestation is actually how the world works, I've had this constant feeling of anxiety. Instead of feeling empowered, I feel like I'm responsible for every single thought that goes through my head.

What if I accidentally manifest something I don't want?

I keep thinking I have to be in the "right state," think the right thoughts, feel the right emotions, know the right things, be in the correct state, or else I'll create something terrible. Before I found manifestation, my mind felt so much safer. Now I'm scared of my own head.

A lot of this comes from my last relationship. One day I became convinced I wasn't enough and that my partner would leave me for one specific person. That's exactly what happened. Ever since then I've been terrified that my thoughts create reality, so every negative thought feels dangerous. I especially know it's all real because of how accurately everything happened based on the fears and nightmares I used to have every day.

The hardest part is that everyone says something different. One person says, "what you resist persists," so don't fight your thoughts. Someone else says you should replace every negative thought with a positive one immediately. Then another person says just ignore them. Don't put it on a pedestal but also do desire it deeply. Detach but also want it. Let go but also persist. Visualize this way or else you'll manifest a 3rd party. Affirm this long and this often because repetition is key but also dont obssess over it. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do anymore.

Whenever I try to imagine us together or anything that implies we're together, these horrible intrusive images pop into my head of them being close with someone else. Those images hurt so much, and then I panic because I think I'm making them even more real just by seeing them.

I also wake up every day trying to figure out if I'm in the correct state. Am I believing enough? Am I doubting too much? Am I knowing the right way? It's like I'm constantly checking my own mind instead of living my life.

What makes it even worse is seeing people say things like, "Once I finally did it correctly, it manifested in less than a week." I've been trying for months. So then I start thinking maybe I'm doing everything wrong, which just makes me try even harder to control every thought. It becomes this endless cycle of fear, doubt, overthinking, and trying to force myself into the "perfect state."

I'm honestly scared of my own brain at this point.

The thing is... I don't want to give up on manifestation and i don't even think i could because of how accurately i did it before for something very bad. I also did it for something good but i don't remember how i did it, it was years ago. I genuinely want this to come true. I just don't want to live in fear anymore. I don't want to spend every waking moment wondering if one bad thought is going to ruin everything. I want this to come without me going through all this terrible stuff.

Has anyone else gone through something like this? If you did, how did you get out of this cycle without giving up completely? I'd really appreciate any advice cause im kinda lost. Okay "kinda" is a lie. Please don't judge me i just really feel stuck and want to get through this difficult time.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 19 days ago

Manifestation Is Real... and It's Destroying Me

I honestly don't know what to do anymore.

Ever since I started believing manifestation is actually how the world works, I've had this constant feeling of anxiety. Instead of feeling empowered, I feel like I'm responsible for every single thought that goes through my head.

What if I accidentally manifest something I don't want?

I keep thinking I have to be in the "right state," think the right thoughts, feel the right emotions, know the right things, be in the correct state, or else I'll create something terrible. Before I found manifestation, my mind felt so much safer. Now I'm scared of my own head.

A lot of this comes from my last relationship. One day I became convinced I wasn't enough and that my partner would leave me for one specific person. That's exactly what happened. Ever since then I've been terrified that my thoughts create reality, so every negative thought feels dangerous. I especially know it's all real because of how accurately everything happened based on the fears and nightmares I used to have every day.

The hardest part is that everyone says something different. One person says, "what you resist persists," so don't fight your thoughts. Someone else says you should replace every negative thought with a positive one immediately. Then another person says just ignore them. Don't put it on a pedestal but also do desire it deeply. Detach but also want it. Let go but also persist. Visualize this way or else you'll manifest a 3rd party. Affirm this long and this often because repetition is key but also dont obssess over it. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do anymore.

Whenever I try to imagine us together or anything that implies we're together, these horrible intrusive images pop into my head of them being close with someone else. Those images hurt so much, and then I panic because I think I'm making them even more real just by seeing them.

I also wake up every day trying to figure out if I'm in the correct state. Am I believing enough? Am I doubting too much? Am I knowing the right way? It's like I'm constantly checking my own mind instead of living my life.

What makes it even worse is seeing people say things like, "Once I finally did it correctly, it manifested in less than a week." I've been trying for months. So then I start thinking maybe I'm doing everything wrong, which just makes me try even harder to control every thought. It becomes this endless cycle of fear, doubt, overthinking, and trying to force myself into the "perfect state."

I'm honestly scared of my own brain at this point.

The thing is... I don't want to give up on manifestation and i don't even think i could because of how accurately i did it before for something very bad. I also did it for something good but i don't remember how i did it, it was years ago. I genuinely want this to come true. I just don't want to live in fear anymore. I don't want to spend every waking moment wondering if one bad thought is going to ruin everything. I want this to come without me going through all this terrible stuff.

Has anyone else gone through something like this? If you did, how did you get out of this cycle without giving up completely? I'd really appreciate any advice cause im kinda lost. Okay "kinda" is a lie. Please don't judge me i just really feel stuck and want to get through this difficult time.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 19 days ago

5 months later and I still can’t get her out of my head

I’m honestly exhausted from what my own brain is doing to me.

My ex broke up with me in November after 2 years together. Almost immediately she got with a guy she was already talking to before we ended. What really messed me up was that for months after the breakup, while she was already with him, she still told me things like I love you, gave me hope, cried to me, and treated me like I was still emotionally responsible for her.

At the time I genuinely didn’t understand what was happening. It destroyed me mentally. I became suicidal and almost acted on it.

In early February I finally went no contact after she sent me a voice message crying about how unhappy and confused she was. I stopped replying after that and eventually she blocked me.

For a while I kept checking her socials sometimes. She started posting the new guy constantly, reposting romantic stuff about how much she loves him and how “innocent” he is. It honestly confused me because when we were together for 2 years, we barely posted each other at all. Before we broke up she even used to laugh at him and call him weird. None of it makes sense in my head, and maybe that’s part of why I’m stuck.

The thing is, I don’t even think I care about her anymore. I just want her out of my head.

She’s still the first thing I think about when I wake up. I still catch myself imagining scenarios where she comes back. I became obsessed with trying to find answers about whether she would return or not. Friends and people online kept telling me she probably would based on her behaviour and that its a rebound, which honestly made it harder to move on because part of my brain stayed attached to that possibility.

What frustrates me most is that I have been trying to heal. Since May and June I’ve been going to the gym, seeing friends, going to parties, meeting new people, trying to build myself back up. And while I’m doing those things, I actually feel okay for a bit. But the second I’m alone again, my head becomes unbearable.

Everything reminds me of her. Random positions in bed, certain games, movies, even stupid stuff in shops. I get triggered multiple times a day. I also hate the intrusive thoughts about her being close with the other guy. My brain keeps replaying things I don’t even want to imagine.

Sometimes thinking about death feels calming simply because it feels like silence from all these thoughts. I’m not planning to hurt myself, but I’m tired of carrying this every day. I also feel like if someone has to think about death just to feel calm, it's not very healthy.

What hurts the most is that before this relationship, I genuinely loved who I was. I was confident, happy, social, optimistic. I didn’t overthink everything. I miss myself more than I miss her.

And the weirdest part is that a small part of me still wants her back while another part of me wants to forget she ever existed because even the good memories hurt now.

I’ve been trying so hard for 5 months. Why does it still feel like my brain won’t let go? I just want to not care, find someone new. I just want to have a life where there isn't a single thought about her, about the future of her coming back. When she does come back then i will think about it then. Why am i so obssesed with it now when it didn't even happen yet? I also fear my own thoughts cause they feel real to me. I just wanna be free of all this. Am i doing something wrong?

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 2 months ago

Kung Fu Panda is unironically one of the best manifestation movies ever made

If you ever wanted an amazing example of someone manifesting the “impossible”, I genuinely recommend watching Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2.

Rewatching them as an adult completely changed the way I see these movies. They’re honestly full of themes about belief, self-concept, letting go, inner peace, and revising the past.

In the first movie, Po dreams about being the greatest kung fu master alive and fighting alongside the furious five. Then he wakes up and immediately starts talking to little figures of them as if they’re already his friends. He lives in that excitement naturally. He doesn’t sit there worrying about how it’ll happen or whether he’s “worthy” enough. He just loves kung fu and goes with the flow of life.

Then a bridge of completely impossible circumstances leads him to the jade palace where he literally becomes the Dragon Warrior.

Theres also tai lung who is the perfect example of trying to force the 3D. He’s obsessed with the title of the dragon warrior, obsessed with controlling the outcome, obsessed with proving himself worthy. When the 3D denies him, he reacts with anger, violence, desperation, and destruction. He betrays everyone around him because he believes his worth depends on getting that scroll.

And then there’s the Dragon Scroll itself.

This legendary scroll is supposed to contain unimaginable power but when Po opens it, it’s empty. All he sees is his own reflection smiling back at him.

That scene is honestly one of the best metaphors for manifestation/self-belief ever made. The power was never in the scroll. It was always within him lmao

Kung Fu Panda 2 gets even deeper.

Po starts getting attacked by painful visions from his past. He believes he was abandoned and unloved by his mother. Those memories keep destabilizing him and stopping him from finding inner peace. They also make him weak in battles.

But near the end of the movie, instead of fighting the memories, he lets them play out. And then his perspective changes. He realizes his mother didn’t abandon him because she didn’t love him, she just hid him to protect him from the wolves and sacrificed herself so he could live. He basically revises the past.

That reinterpretation completely changes him.

Once he lets go of the old painful story, he achieves inner peace and becomes strong enough to stop Shen.

And Shen himself is another perfect symbol, someone consumed by fear, the past, and the need to control destiny. The harder he tries to control everything externally, the more he destroys himself internally.

These movies genuinely feel like they’re about letting go of control, trusting yourself, not identifying with the old story, living in the present and realizing that everything you want and search for in life is already within you. All of this is how po manifests his dream life against all fucking odds like bro literally deflected iron bullets. I think that part where he's deflecting the bullets is also a symbol of how nothing in the 3d matters when you are locked in on your goal.

It honestly hit me hard cause this kids movie isnt really a kids movie. Its very dark too and has so many beautiful messages.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 2 months ago

Comments keep disappearing on my post in this sub

Not sure if this is a Reddit bug or an Automod issue but on my recent post I keep getting notifications for comments that instantly become “comment no longer exists” when I open them.

The post itself is still visible, so I’m confused whether the comments are being auto-filtered, the thread is restricted somehow or reddits spam filters are acting up.

Has anyone else experienced this on this sub in particular cause everywhere else this shit does NOT happen and im kinda getting fucking trigered cause im literally just trying to hear ANY FUCKING OPINION ON MY APP HAHAHAHAHA HELP ME PLEASE GUYS??? (this is a joke im not actually mad dont ban me guys im tryna figure this shit out)

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 3 months ago

I Finally Understand the Law, but I can’t Stop Trying to Control it.

In just a month, or maybe even less, I’ve learned and experienced so much using the law. I started understanding how it works specifically for me, although I still haven’t fully narrowed it down yet.

I’ve had moments where I manifested things in less than an hour or within 1–2 days.

For example: I had my driving license exam at 4 PM. It was already 4:20 and I was still in a city around 20 minutes away from the place where I was supposed to take the exam. I called my instructor, explained the situation, and asked if I could be a little late. He declined and said they always close at 4 and I’d have to come back another week.

But I had already spent money traveling there and already told everyone I was taking the test that day. I wasn’t going to give up just because of time.

So I decided to go there anyway. While I was on my way, I affirmed in my head for about 5 minutes: “I will take the test today and pass.”

When I arrived, the place looked empty and closed, but I went inside anyway. I heard noise coming from one of the rooms and there was a guy packing his things, grabbing his bag, about to leave right as I walked in. Before entering I had also seen a girl leaving the building, probably someone who had been taking the exam, and she must’ve taken long enough that he had to stay overtime.

As he was leaving, I told him I came to take the exam and that even if I had reduced time, I still wanted to take it today.

He paused for a second, thought about it, dropped his bags without saying a word, and gave me the test.

I finished it in like 5 minutes and passed because it was easy as fuck.

I also had success with the ladder experiment, just not in the way people usually talk about.

About 2 days after I started visualizing ladders, I saw one on my way to the city and thought, “Nah, this ladder would’ve been here anyway, just a coincidence.”

Then 2 hours later, I was in a building on the third floor and some guy walks right past me carrying a massive ladder while staring directly at me.

At that point I was just like, “Fine, the law is real, I get it, no need to shove it in my face” lol.

There were other smaller manifestations too, but that’s not really why I’m making this post.

My biggest desire is manifesting my SP. We were together for 3 years, but she’s with someone else now, and I’ve realized it was all my fault.

Before the breakup, I started having constant nightmares and obsessive thoughts about her being with someone else. I felt like I didn’t deserve her, like she was going to leave me. It became extremely obsessive and I stayed in that state for around 2 months.

The longer I stayed there mentally, the more distant she became and the more signs appeared that she was seeing another guy.

And the craziest part? It was the EXACT same guy I had nightmares about.

Even she was confused after the breakup when I told her my nightmare basically came true. She literally said:
“Why did he appear in such a convenient way at such a convenient time when our relationship was failing?”

At the time, I didn’t know the answer.

It took me 6 months of extremely dark thoughts to finally realize all of this. Honestly, I don’t even think I can fully explain what happened to me mentally during that time or the things I was doing to myself. It was terrible.

But now I feel like a completely different person. Like that version of me wasn’t even me.

A few days ago I had what genuinely felt like an enlightenment moment. It felt like I woke up from a deep sleep I’d been in my entire life.

I suddenly realized everything that had happened — not just the breakup, but my entire life — was reflecting what I believed myself to be.

All of it.

I started connecting every good and bad thing that ever happened to me and realized I caused ALL of it.

And weirdly enough, it was one of the best feelings I’ve ever had in my life.

I felt powerful as fuck because now I understood that I could use this consciously instead of unconsciously letting it control me.

I realized I could become anyone I wanted.

This realization happened about 5 days ago and ever since then I’ve felt amazing. Free. Happy. In control.

But now I’m here asking for help because I also feel stuck.

This power feels so real that now I feel like I NEED to control it all the time. Like if I stop controlling my thoughts for even a second, the same thing will happen again and my fears will manifest exactly the way they did before.

I know now that manifesting her loving me again isn’t actually hard. I know exactly how I felt when she loved me that way and I can return to that state.

But my issue is that I keep consuming. I keep reading. I keep searching for more information and more reassurance.

My biggest struggle is letting go.

And by letting go, I mean not feeling like I have to control every thought, every moment, every outcome.

I noticed that I actually DO feel good and stable until I start consuming more content again. Then suddenly I feel like I’m doing something wrong or not enough.

But at the same time, whenever I stop consuming content, I start feeling like I’m losing reassurance. Like I need to read more posts or watch more videos just to stay in this state.

So is it actually okay to just let go and allow things to unfold?

Because honestly, I’m terrified that if I stop controlling everything, something bad will happen again. I really don’t want to experience that again.

I guess what I’m asking is:
How do you actually trust?

Do I stop affirming?
Do I stop visualizing?
Do I just let it come?

Lately I’ve been thinking about starting the gym, meeting new people with similar interests, and just living life more because I think I’ve been stuck in my head way too much.

I’m trying to find a way to live like a normal human being who doesn’t feel the need to control absolutely everything, because honestly that’s when I felt the best.

But then my brain immediately goes:
“How will it know to come if I stop affirming and controlling it?”, "What if when i stop controlling it, it will get out of control again and manifest the fears i don't want at all cost?".

I know this probably sounds confusing, but honestly I barely understand what I’m trying to explain myself.

I think I’m scared that if I fully let go, it won’t happen.

Like… do I just set the intention, stay in the state, and stop needing reassurance from success stories and videos 24/7?

I DON’T KNOW. THIS IS SO HARD TO EXPLAIN.

Sorry for the massive post, I just wanted to explain everything clearly because I hate being misunderstood.

I guess I’m confused because how am I suddenly lost again right after feeling so enlightened and aware of all of this?

I really hope some of you understand what I mean because I genuinely love this community, but I’m starting to feel like constantly needing reassurance from more stories and videos isn’t healthy anymore.

Thank you so much to anyone who reads all this and replies. And sorry again if this was way too much lol.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 3 months ago

I Finally Understand the Law, but I can’t Stop Trying to Control it.

In just a month, or maybe even less, I’ve learned and experienced so much using the law. I started understanding how it works specifically for me, although I still haven’t fully narrowed it down yet.

I’ve had moments where I manifested things in less than an hour or within 1–2 days.

For example: I had my driving license exam at 4 PM. It was already 4:20 and I was still in a city around 20 minutes away from the place where I was supposed to take the exam. I called my instructor, explained the situation, and asked if I could be a little late. He declined and said they always close at 4 and I’d have to come back another week.

But I had already spent money traveling there and already told everyone I was taking the test that day. I wasn’t going to give up just because of time.

So I decided to go there anyway. While I was on my way, I affirmed in my head for about 5 minutes: “I will take the test today and pass.”

When I arrived, the place looked empty and closed, but I went inside anyway. I heard noise coming from one of the rooms and there was a guy packing his things, grabbing his bag, about to leave right as I walked in. Before entering I had also seen a girl leaving the building, probably someone who had been taking the exam, and she must’ve taken long enough that he had to stay overtime.

As he was leaving, I told him I came to take the exam and that even if I had reduced time, I still wanted to take it today.

He paused for a second, thought about it, dropped his bags without saying a word, and gave me the test.

I finished it in like 5 minutes and passed because it was easy as fuck.

I also had success with the ladder experiment, just not in the way people usually talk about.

About 2 days after I started visualizing ladders, I saw one on my way to the city and thought, “Nah, this ladder would’ve been here anyway, just a coincidence.”

Then 2 hours later, I was in a building on the third floor and some guy walks right past me carrying a massive ladder while staring directly at me.

At that point I was just like, “Fine, the law is real, I get it, no need to shove it in my face” lol.

There were other smaller manifestations too, but that’s not really why I’m making this post.

My biggest desire is manifesting my SP. We were together for 3 years, but she’s with someone else now, and I’ve realized it was all my fault.

Before the breakup, I started having constant nightmares and obsessive thoughts about her being with someone else. I felt like I didn’t deserve her, like she was going to leave me. It became extremely obsessive and I stayed in that state for around 2 months.

The longer I stayed there mentally, the more distant she became and the more signs appeared that she was seeing another guy.

And the craziest part? It was the EXACT same guy I had nightmares about.

Even she was confused after the breakup when I told her my nightmare basically came true. She literally said:
“Why did he appear in such a convenient way at such a convenient time when our relationship was failing?”

At the time, I didn’t know the answer.

It took me 6 months of extremely dark thoughts to finally realize all of this. Honestly, I don’t even think I can fully explain what happened to me mentally during that time or the things I was doing to myself. It was terrible.

But now I feel like a completely different person. Like that version of me wasn’t even me.

A few days ago I had what genuinely felt like an enlightenment moment. It felt like I woke up from a deep sleep I’d been in my entire life.

I suddenly realized everything that had happened — not just the breakup, but my entire life — was reflecting what I believed myself to be.

All of it.

I started connecting every good and bad thing that ever happened to me and realized I caused ALL of it.

And weirdly enough, it was one of the best feelings I’ve ever had in my life.

I felt powerful as fuck because now I understood that I could use this consciously instead of unconsciously letting it control me.

I realized I could become anyone I wanted.

This realization happened about 5 days ago and ever since then I’ve felt amazing. Free. Happy. In control.

But now I’m here asking for help because I also feel stuck.

This power feels so real that now I feel like I NEED to control it all the time. Like if I stop controlling my thoughts for even a second, the same thing will happen again and my fears will manifest exactly the way they did before.

I know now that manifesting her loving me again isn’t actually hard. I know exactly how I felt when she loved me that way and I can return to that state.

But my issue is that I keep consuming. I keep reading. I keep searching for more information and more reassurance.

My biggest struggle is letting go.

And by letting go, I mean not feeling like I have to control every thought, every moment, every outcome.

I noticed that I actually DO feel good and stable until I start consuming more content again. Then suddenly I feel like I’m doing something wrong or not enough.

But at the same time, whenever I stop consuming content, I start feeling like I’m losing reassurance. Like I need to read more posts or watch more videos just to stay in this state.

So is it actually okay to just let go and allow things to unfold?

Because honestly, I’m terrified that if I stop controlling everything, something bad will happen again. I really don’t want to experience that again.

I guess what I’m asking is:
How do you actually trust?

Do I stop affirming?
Do I stop visualizing?
Do I just let it come?

Lately I’ve been thinking about starting the gym, meeting new people with similar interests, and just living life more because I think I’ve been stuck in my head way too much.

I’m trying to find a way to live like a normal human being who doesn’t feel the need to control absolutely everything, because honestly that’s when I felt the best.

But then my brain immediately goes:
“How will it know to come if I stop affirming and controlling it?”, "What if when i stop controlling it, it will get out of control again and manifest the fears i don't want at all cost?".

I know this probably sounds confusing, but honestly I barely understand what I’m trying to explain myself.

I think I’m scared that if I fully let go, it won’t happen.

Like… do I just set the intention, stay in the state, and stop needing reassurance from success stories and videos 24/7?

I DON’T KNOW. THIS IS SO HARD TO EXPLAIN.

Sorry for the massive post, I just wanted to explain everything clearly because I hate being misunderstood.

I guess I’m confused because how am I suddenly lost again right after feeling so enlightened and aware of all of this?

I really hope some of you understand what I mean because I genuinely love this community, but I’m starting to feel like constantly needing reassurance from more stories and videos isn’t healthy anymore.

Thank you so much to anyone who reads all this and replies. And sorry again if this was way too much lol.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 3 months ago

My therapist told me Neville Goddard and LOA are harmful — now I feel conflicted

I have used the Law many times successfully, and honestly it opened my eyes and made me more aware of myself and my thoughts. But recently I’ve seen some posts about people completely losing touch with reality while applying it. I know those people probably misunderstood the Law or took it too far, but it still planted a seed of worry in me.

Because of that, during a visit with my therapist, I brought up LOA and Neville. I wasn’t trying to prove anything to him, I just asked how to approach these ideas in a healthy way without ending up obsessive or disconnected from reality.

His response surprised me. Instead of just giving advice, he basically told me none of it is real. He laughed a little and said Neville was just a smart guy who knew how to sell smart sounding ideas. He talked about how modern science has debunked these concepts and then gave me some examples from his own patients.

One story was about a guy who became convinced he was going to win the lottery. For 3 months he saved up around $2000 because he “imagined” himself winning, and then he spent all of it on lottery tickets. He lost everything and apparently ended up mentally destroyed because reality hit him hard afterward. My therapist said they spent months trying to help him reconnect with reality.

Another example he gave was about a motivational speech from a famous successful person called something like “how you can earn millions.” He said that a few days after the event, he suddenly had a huge increase in people booking therapy sessions because they bought into the hype, felt euphoric for a few days, and then crashed emotionally when nothing changed in their lives.

He explained that a lot of these ideas are presented in a very convincing way, especially by charismatic people who know how to speak well and sell hope. According to him, people get caught up in the emotional high and start believing life doesn’t require real world action anymore.

Normally I wouldn’t overthink this so much, but this therapist genuinely helped save me from depression about a year ago, so his opinion means a lot to me. That’s why his words really stuck with me.

So now I’m kind of conflicted. I’ve personally had experiences that made me believe but at the same time I can see how some people can take it into unhealthy territory and ruin themselves mentally.

I wanted to know what you guys think about this and if he's right. If any experienced person could share theyre thoughts on this i would appreciate it 😄

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 3 months ago

Can Two People Manifest the Same SP at the Same Time?

I’ve been thinking about this for a while and I’m really curious what people think.

Is it possible for two people to manifest the same SP at the same time?

Like imagine two different people are both affirming for the same person, visualizing them, persisting, etc. What would even happen in that situation? Would the stronger assumption “win”? Would reality split? Or is there no such thing as competing manifestations?

I’ve seen people say “everyone is you pushed out,” but then how does that work when multiple people want the exact same outcome involving the same person?

And is this even possible in the first place, or would one person naturally lose interest/change assumptions before it gets to that point?

Would love to hear different perspectives because this question genuinely messes with my brain lol

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 3 months ago

So I’ve been manifesting my ex for about 3 days, trying to get her to want to come back. Up until today, everything actually felt really solid. I was doing SATS, visualizing, and I didn’t feel desperate at all, more like a calm, certain “it’s already done” kind of feeling.

But this morning something strange happened. Out of nowhere, I felt a huge urge to check her social media. I haven’t had that feeling for over a month, it was like I stopped thinking and my body just made me check.

And yeah… that was a mistake.

I saw that she posted pictures of her and her new boyfriend kissing. On TikTok, she reposted a bunch of things about how much she loves him—calling him cute, innocent, all that typical love talk. It hit me really hard. Honestly, it felt like someone stabbed me in the chest.

For the first time since I started manifesting, I felt real doubt. Thoughts like:“Is this actually working?”“Is any of this even real?”“Am I just being delusional?”“Can you even manifest another person?”“Is this going to mess me up mentally?”

Before this, everything felt so natural, like we were already back together in my mind. But seeing that completely threw me off. I started spiraling, searching things like “can you really manifest someone,” and I couldn’t focus on anything all day because this situation kept coming back to me.

My faith is slowly coming back now, but that moment really shook me.

For context: she broke up with me about 6 months ago and got into a new relationship just 2 weeks later. I went no contact around 2–3 months ago. I still think about her every day.

I’ve noticed some “movement” too, like her friends randomly watching my stories, and she even blocked me out of nowhere recently, even though I hadn’t messaged her.

Before committing to manifesting her, I tried the ladder technique to see if any of this is real. It kind of worked:

  • The next day, I randomly saw a ladder
  • Later, while sitting on a bench, a guy literally carried a metal ladder right in front of me

That made me think maybe this is real, so I decided to fully commit.

But now I feel lost.

I don’t know what to do anymore. I really want this to be real, and I miss her even more after seeing all that. While I was manifesting, it didn’t hurt this much, I was more like “yeah, of course I can get her back.” Now it feels way more emotional again.

I’ve also started having thoughts like: doesn’t this seem kind of unrealistic? That just by thinking and feeling in a certain way, we can somehow change the feelings of another completely separate person?

That doubt hit me hard too.

I still believe that one day I’ll have a success story… I’m just really confused right now and don’t know what to think.

Any advice would really help. Thanks for reading.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 4 months ago

So I’ve been manifesting my ex for about 3 days, trying to get her to want to come back. Up until today, everything actually felt really solid. I was doing SATS, visualizing, and I didn’t feel desperate at all, more like a calm, certain “it’s already done” kind of feeling.

But this morning something strange happened. Out of nowhere, I felt a huge urge to check her social media. I haven’t had that feeling for over a month, it was like I stopped thinking and my body just made me check.

And yeah… that was a mistake.

I saw that she posted pictures of her and her new boyfriend kissing. On TikTok, she reposted a bunch of things about how much she loves him—calling him cute, innocent, all that typical love talk. It hit me really hard. Honestly, it felt like someone stabbed me in the chest.

For the first time since I started manifesting, I felt real doubt. Thoughts like:“Is this actually working?”“Is any of this even real?”“Am I just being delusional?”“Can you even manifest another person?”“Is this going to mess me up mentally?”

Before this, everything felt so natural, like we were already back together in my mind. But seeing that completely threw me off. I started spiraling, searching things like “can you really manifest someone,” and I couldn’t focus on anything all day because this situation kept coming back to me.

My faith is slowly coming back now, but that moment really shook me.

For context: she broke up with me about 6 months ago and got into a new relationship just 2 weeks later. I went no contact around 2–3 months ago. I still think about her every day.

I’ve noticed some “movement” too, like her friends randomly watching my stories, and she even blocked me out of nowhere recently, even though I hadn’t messaged her.

Before committing to manifesting her, I tried the ladder technique to see if any of this is real. It kind of worked:

  • The next day, I randomly saw a ladder
  • Later, while sitting on a bench, a guy literally carried a metal ladder right in front of me

That made me think maybe this is real, so I decided to fully commit.

But now I feel lost.

I don’t know what to do anymore. I really want this to be real, and I miss her even more after seeing all that. While I was manifesting, it didn’t hurt this much, I was more like “yeah, of course I can get her back.” Now it feels way more emotional again.

I’ve also started having thoughts like: doesn’t this seem kind of unrealistic? That just by thinking and feeling in a certain way, we can somehow change the feelings of another completely separate person?

That doubt hit me hard too.

I still believe that one day I’ll have a success story… I’m just really confused right now and don’t know what to think.

Any advice would really help. Thanks for reading.

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u/Famous_Narwhal464 — 4 months ago