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And no, I’m not saying talented singers don’t exist right now, that would be unfair. But honestly? I can’t remember the last time a recent song truly stunned me because of vocals and production together. Like the kind of moment where you just sit there thinking “wow.”

Honestly, I think visuals, fanservice, and marketability started taking priority over vocal development.

A lot of current songs are good, even really good. They’re catchy, polished, easy to replay. But very few leave that lasting impact vocally. They are short. I honestly understand why so many older gen fans lost interest, because from that perspective… there’s not much that feels unforgettable anymore.

Sometimes it feels like 4th and 5th gen idols are trained more to maintain parasocial relationships and fit the market than to become impressive vocalists. And no, I’m not pretending every 2nd or 3rd gen group was vocally perfect. They were not. But most groups still had at least that one vocalist who could completely carry difficult parts and make songs memorable. Plus, a lot of those groups had solid overall vocal foundations across all members. Nowadays, it sometimes feels like vocals became secondary to branding and fan engagement.

I also get why people keep returning to albums that are 10+ years old. Some of these songs still hit harder emotionally and vocally than a lot of current releases. K-pop still has incredible vocalists, especially among soloists. Some of them are outstanding. But a lot of the artists who still give people that “wow” feeling vocally belong to older generations.

it doesn’t happen often, but I’ve had moments where I couldn’t finish watching a video, even if it was full of useful information, simply because of how that person looked. And it is not like I like only attractive people, not at all. It is strange level of ugliness I cant even explain, sometimes it is just shape of mouth of some facial expression or a small detail that triggers that kind of feeling in me. It has nothing to do with some looksmaxxing, weight, height or any kind of current beauty ideal.

I know it sounds incredibly shallow and awful, but I just wasn’t able to keep watching or listening to them, even though their information was very interesting. I feel really sorry about it, and in that moment I immediately feel ashamed of myself, but it’s like my mind is protecting me and telling me: don’t look at them, turn it off, run away, leave.

What can cause this? Maybe it’s related to evolution? Btw, to be fair, I completely understand that I can also trigger the same feeling in other people.

Being a fan, in its purest form, feels like a little act of humanity. Supporting someone be it an artist, an athlete, or anyone just because you admire them, or enjoy what they do, is kind of beautiful. Not the toxic stuff, just genuinely cheering for someone you’ve never met.

Okay, so I’ve read some seriously wild stories about fans getting bullied at concerts for all kinds of reasons like singing too loud/not singing at all, dancing too much, bodyshaming, not giving up a seat (!), or even just shouting their bias’s name while other solo stans didn’t like it.

Has anyone here ever had something like that happen at concert or fan meet? Like, behavior that totally ruined your experience or made you think: what even is wrong with these people?

I keep noticing more fans go to K-pop events just to farm content for their social media, not to actually enjoy or respect the artists.

I saw some videos from send-off event, it was probably Ateez/Skz or/and Enhypen , I dont remember but tbh it could be any group and idols were signing when fans suddenly yelled things like “say THIS” or “repeat THAT,” clearly some random TikTok stupid meme. The idol looked genuinely confused and very uncomfortable, but of course, phones were out recording because every interaction apparently has to be “content.” He awkwardly repeated something (i guess he had no idea what he was saying), and those people screamed and laughed like they’d just trained a zoo animal. Like… seriously? You honestly believe buying ticket gives you right to behave like this?

Maybe I’m wrong and this is just how things go these days, but you could literally see that he was so uncomfortable. Honestly, I wouldn’t blame him if he was like, “Hard pass,” and walked away.

There’s a big difference between politely asking for greeting for sick friend or giving compliments, even some joking and treating idols like meme-performing NPCs for TikTok because you need to prove you’re the ultimate stan with the dopest reels.

I don’t know how this plays out at concerts in Asia, but I can’t help but wonder if some Western fans’ behavior ties into the way Asian idols are exoticized or infantilized. Would these fans act the same toward Western artists, or do they subconsciously see Asian idols as more “acceptable” to command and mock? For some reason, it seems “okay” when it’s a Korean idol.

The saddest part? These "fans" didn’t even seem to care about the group, music, sometimes they even ignore other members, they just wanted stuff for their content. They think they are the main character. Well, idols are not your content machines, NPCs, or zoo exhibits.

Some of y’all seriously need to relearn concert etiquette and basic respect.

i’m just a casual listener, but every single time i see a post about them on my timeline mv, song clip, pic, literally anything, the comments are always the exact same 😭

it’s just nonstop objectification, shipping, and stays thirsting over the members. like every time. do people still talk about the actual music or is the fandom just 90% horny teens now? i’m genuinely asking because finding normal discussions feels impossible lately.

I don’t know if this sounds weird, but has anyone ever cried because of someone’s beauty? I’m very into art and I’m usually quite aware of aesthetics, but recently I saw photos of a person and I unexpectedly started crying how beautiful that person was.

At first I thought it was just that specific photoshoot, but even after seeing more images, the feeling didn’t go away. I’ve never experienced this before not with art, music, or anything else. That person almost felt like unreal, angelic, not from this world. And no, I am not dating that person and I dont think I ever will, it is just...beauty.