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We've been trying to move away from scheduling-based cadences because the core issue is that we're reaching out on a timer with no real buying signal driving it, which is where most of our pipeline leakage comes from.

Getting it wired without the whole thing becoming a manual review queue is a different story though.

We're tracking new leadership at target accounts, funding rounds, SDR hiring spikes, and G2 review activity from their employees, since each of those tends to cluster around an active evaluation window, and new Sales leadership in particular is the most time-sensitive because that window where they're still open to switching tends to close fast once they've committed to a stack.

We pull most of this through Clay, and the piece we hadn't cracked was making the sequence trigger hands-off.

So right now when a signal clears, it kicks off a multichannel sequence through Lemlist automatically (email, LinkedIn and calling) from one flow without anyone having to manually enroll the account, which is where most of the overhead was sitting before.

Still working out the right threshold, some accounts show a clear signal, others are borderline and sitting in a hold queue waiting for a second data point before we trigger.

Not sure there's a standard answer to this, so what does your team do with those?

Set up a permanent employment contract for our German hire through an EOR a while back, thought we were good, and then a few months in our legal contact flagged something in the paperwork that I'd skimmed past.

Under German labour law, there's a statute called the Arbeitnehmerüberlassungsgesetz (AÜG) that limits how long a worker can be deployed to the same company to a year and a half (18 months) before it starts being classified as labour-leasing (a different arrangement with different obligations attached to it).

The contract said permanent on it, so I'd read that and assumed we were fine, but our legal contact spent a long call explaining why permanent and without a time limit are two different things in this particular context and why the AÜG clock had already been running since the contract phase months earlier, before we'd even moved them onto the permanent employment.

What worked in our favour was that the EOR we use (Workmotion in our case, though Deel or Remote is structured the same way) sets up employment as direct local employment rather than labour-leasing.

That's apparently the exact arrangement the AÜG targets, so the cap doesn't apply in the same way when the EOR is the legal employer and not just a placement intermediary.

There are plenty of EOR threads in this sub but this one never seems to come up, so posting it for whoever's about to bring someone on in Germany without having had this conversation yet.

We've got the outbound tool, HubSpot and Gmail all doing their own thing, so when I check the contact history in HubSpot, it's already missing whatever happened in the sequences, and reconciling it manually ends up taking longer than the prospecting.

The pattern with most tools that claim to integrate with your CRM is that contacts sync in one direction and that's it, so tasks don't log back automatically and you either catch up manually every few days or the CRM just has gaps that trip up whoever's on the call next.

Lemlist came up as a recommendation for exactly this, so I want to know if the HubSpot sync is bidirectional and whether LinkedIn steps are workable from inside the extension or need a third tab.

So if you've run this kind of setup end-to-end, what kept it inside one tab once LinkedIn steps were in the mix?

Went through this when setting up a fresh domain for cold outreach and the online consensus is all over the place, so sharing what came out in decent shape.

DNS setup has to come first before the warmup starts (SPF, DKIM, and DMARC all verified through something like MXToolbox), because a broken DMARC at warmup start means the entire ramp period builds reputation on a misconfigured foundation and you won't catch it until real sends start failing.

For the warmup itself, I ran it through an automated tool (Lemwarm by Lemlist specifically), which pulls a real inbox network together where sends go out and replies come back so the activity pattern looks like two-way human traffic to ESPs , which one-directional sends don't.

And the timeline that held for us was around 4 weeks before touching real prospects, though the cleaner signal to watch is domain reputation in Google Postmaster Tools leveling off , the date barely matters.

The common mistake on new domains is either skipping DNS setup entirely or jumping to full cold volume right after warmup instead of starting at maybe 20 sends a day and building from there.

Salut à tous,

Question qui m'est venue après une discussion au refuge le mois dernier et je trouve pas de réponse claire.

On était quatre, tous plutôt du genre à sortir toute l'année. Un des gars nous dit qu'il a fait une prise de sang en juin et qu'il était bas en vitamine D. En juin. Après un printemps où il a dû faire une quinzaine de sorties.

Sa remarque c'est que si lui il est bas, alors les gens qui bossent en bureau et qui sortent le week-end sont probablement dans un état pas terrible, sauf que personne mesure jamais rien.

Ce qui m'a fait tiquer c'est que je pensais justement que faire de la montagne réglait la question. Grosse exposition, altitude, plusieurs heures dehors. Apparemment non, et il paraît que la surface de peau exposée compte plus que le temps passé dehors, donc en rando avec pantalon, manches longues et casquette on expose finalement pas grand-chose.

Lui il avait fait ça dans le cadre d'un bilan annuel chez Lucis, mais franchement pour un seul marqueur j'imagine qu'une ordonnance chez le généraliste fait le taf.

Ceux qui sont beaucoup dehors et qui ont fait doser leur vitamine D, vous étiez dans les clous ou pas ?

Starting to build out our first outbound motion at a 10-person legal tech company, and trying to figure out what the core tool categories are before committing to subscriptions.

We have Sales Navigator and HubSpot already, but the prospecting-to-sequence pipeline is still manual, and we're losing time on enrichment since we're still scrubbing lists in spreadsheets before anything goes into a sequence.

Lemlist is in some threads here for the sequencing layer, and we're between that and a couple of other options while also figuring out whether Clay or something lighter is the right call on enrichment.

What I'm trying to understand is how many of these categories need separate tools (data, enrichment, sequencing, warm-up, CRM) or how many collapse into one platform at this stage without losing much, because the budget pressure is real and the overlap risk feels high.

So what would you do first if you were in this spot?

We've been on Rippling for global payroll and EOR since early 2025, with 200 people across Germany, France, Netherlands, and Spain, and the EOR side has been the one thing generating support tickets consistently (entity setup delays and payslip formats that don't match country requirements).

At this point I can't tell if that's a Rippling problem or something baked into the category, where all-in-one platforms just aren't built to handle EOR with the same depth a dedicated provider would.

Deel is the obvious next comparison, but based on what I keep reading in this sub, the frustration pattern is the same, strong on US hiring and thinner on EU entity compliance.

So a couple of people on the team have been pushing to get quotes from dedicated EOR specialists instead, with Workmotion and Remote the two getting tossed around for entity ownership.

Either way, I can't tell if this is a Rippling problem or a category problem, so if you've made the switch either direction, what changed?

We're an early-stage EU startup and want to bring on a senior ops person in Spain as an employee, but she'd be our only person there, so setting up a Spanish entity isn't on the table right now.

The contractor route would be simpler and cheaper upfront, though misclassification is enforced seriously in Spain and the fines can wipe out months of savings if it goes wrong.

We're between Deel, Remote, and Workmotion on the EOR side, all in a similar price range, with the differences coming down to entity coverage and how clean the onboarding is.

Still can't work out whether the compliance protection on a single hire justifies the monthly fee or whether a properly structured freelance agreement gets you far enough.

We're stuck on this one, so how did you make the call when it was just one person in a market you hadn't entered yet?

Sharing ours and want to see what others have built end to end, collection through to action.

Right now we run Intercom and Typeform for collection, then BuildBetter in the middle layer transcribing and synthesizing calls and tickets into themes, which got rid of the manual affinity mapping we were doing, then Linear for the tickets, with Canny still on the public voting board.

Synthesis was always where ours used to fall apart, so what are you using and where does yours break?

I handle HR compliance for a startup with employees in Germany, Netherlands and Spain (all hired through an EOR), and our DPO flagged something we can't figure out yet.

Since the EOR is technically the employer, does that make them the data controller for HR and payroll data, or are we still jointly responsible?

We're on Workmotion for 2 countries (EU-incorporated, so employment data stays within the EU), and Deel for the remaining one, but we're trying to work out whether that EU establishment structurally shifts the controller obligation to them or whether we're still co-controllers regardless.

Our DPO is leaning toward signing the DPAs and moving on, but I want to understand the liability exposure first.

Specifically around whether an EU-incorporated EOR changes the transfer risk calculation compared to a US company with EU subsidiaries operating in the same countries.

For those who've dealt with this, how did your legal team approach the controller/processor split when an EOR was involved, and did you document it formally or just rely on their standard DPA?

At our last retro, someone brought up a customer complaint that had been sitting in a Slack thread for a while and the rest of us had missed it.

We've duct-taped Zapier into Jira, tried Productboard, and now testing BuildBetter since it pulls Slack and support tickets in natively.

But to be fair none of it really sticks if people aren't logging stuff in the first place.

So what's your setup?

I was recording my fourth video of the day, saying a line I'd said in some form maybe thirty times, in the exact voice I use for that kind of clip. and I had this moment of watching myself do it. like I wasn't really in there. just a face running a format.

For context I've done a few million-view videos, decent brand money, the kind of numbers people ask how you got. so this isn't sour grapes from someone who didn't make it. it's from someone who did and then looked around.

Somewhere in the last two years the question changed. it stopped being "is this any good" and became "will this stop a scroll in 0.7 seconds." I've posted five times a day to keep the algorithm warm. said things I half believed because a brief told me to frame it that way. filmed genuine reactions to videos I never finished watching. stretched one idea into five clips because the calendar needed five.

And it works, which is the annoying part.

So when people say AI avatars are coming for creators, I don't really flinch. we built the thing they're replacing. a predictable face, saying predictable things, at a predictable cadence, in one of about five story shapes. that's not a person, that's a format. and a format is the easiest thing in the world to automate.

Runway, argil, pika - none of them invented this. they just gave the market what it had already been asking creators to do for years, minus the human. they're less a threat than a mirror, and the reflection isn't flattering.

I still use these tools, I'm not anti AI. what actually bothers me is realising I'd sold the personality off years before anyone offered to synthesise it.

Anyone else sitting with this? or is it just me having a moment.

We manage a fairly large Salesforce org and keeping contact data clean has turned into one of our biggest ongoing costs.

First, because the native enrichment options either got deprecated or priced themselves out, and second, the records still rot the moment someone changes jobs, so we end up with reps chasing people who left their jobs a while back.

We tried wiring Apollo and ZoomInfo straight into Salesforce, and both worked fine, but Apollo gets thin on anything outside the obvious mid-market US accounts, and ZoomInfo wants a full contract before you can even see whether the data fits your territory, which is a hard sell internally just to test coverage.

These days we push our contacts through an extra enrichment step before they sync back into Salesforce, so instead of trusting one database we check each person across a few sources and only write the field when they agree.

Though right now that's held together with a fair bit of manual glue, and the two tools people kept pointing me to were Clay and FullEnrich (though i've not committed to either yet), which is part of why i'm asking here.

So how's everyone else handling this inside Salesforce, are you paying for one of the native data packages, bolting on an outside provider, or doing scheduled re-checks?

I handle data for a b2b sales team and I'm trying to sanity-check our setup before we renew anything.

For context, we've leaned on Apollo and Cognism for a while, and both have the same problem for us, where Apollo's coverage is broad but the emails get shaky once you're past the obvious mid-market accounts, and Cognism is cleaner but wants a full annual contract before you can really tell if it covers your patch.

What we do now is check each contact against a few sources before it goes into the CRM and only keep an email when more than one source returns the same one.

This has cut the bounces down a lot, though it's fiddly to maintain and i'm not convinced we've landed on the best stack for it.

A couple of tools get mentioned a lot whenever i ask around (mainly Bettercontact and FullEnrich), but before we switch anything I'd rather hear from people who've used them than trust another round of marketing.

So what are you using for contact data these days, especially for smaller or non-US companies where the big two get thin, and if you've found something you trust i'd love to know what it is and why?

We opened one junior generalist role a couple weeks back, and I put it up on the usual boards on a Friday expecting the normal trickle.

But by Monday there were over 1,200 applications in the inbox and it was still climbing every time I hit refresh, the counter ticking up while I'm staring at it like it might stop on its own.

So I started reading, and within an hour it was obvious most of this wasn't people, but just ChatGPT with a human name on top, every cover letter making the same points in the same order, resumes stuffed with whatever keywords our JD used, invented experience that named companies I bet you can't find anywhere online.

And a few that still had the prompt scaffolding left in ("as a seasoned professional, I am excited to bla bla... ") because whoever ran it never bothered reading the output.

One of them wasn't even a candidate, some founder had used the cover letter to pitch me their AI screening tool (a scrappier take on Jack and Jill or Synmatch by Workmotion), which was the most self-aware submission in the whole pile.

What killed me was that the AI ones are maybe polished enough to survive a skim, so the 3 or 4 genuine ones in that pile were buried under a wall of confident, well-formatted nonsense.

And there's no version of me clearing that whole inbox by myself without missing the real ones.

In the end the role got filled off 2 referrals from people I already trust, which was still less painful than that whole inbox.

A year ago 1,200 applications would've felt like a great problem to have, and now it's just machine-written filler you have to wade through yourself.

So what's it like on your end lately, because I've heard people pulling 3,000+ on a single remote listing and I have no idea how anyone's coping with that by hand.

We started this after watching a couple of US platforms change their terms and pricing on us overnight with no warning.

So across the year we went line by line through the stack and swapped what we could for something built in Europe, really to stop our operations hanging on companies that can pull the rug the moment their numbers look shaky.

Not all of it was a win, and this sub can get a little cheerleadery about the whole idea, so the catch is our analytics got noticeably worse for a couple of months before it settled, while there's still one US product I kept because nothing over here comes close to it yet.

E-commerce flipped things for me, since I'd gone in assuming it was Shopify or bust, and it turns out Germany has a whole bench of serious commerce platforms that a lot of the big European retailers already run on…

commercetools, SCAYLE and Spryker among them, so we moved the shop onto one of those and the catalog and multi-market side came out stronger than what we'd been paying the US platform for.

Even the product photography had a European answer waiting, since there's a German AI studio (Tayla) now doing the generated-imagery thing the US tools got famous for.

Which I didn't expect to find over here at all, and the whole thing left me a lot less ideological about the movement, just glad there's finally a European setup that holds up, even if it's still patchy in a few places.

Our best-converting messaging this year came straight out of sales call recordings.

The exact phrases prospects used to describe the problem, and the objections they raised right before they bought, all that stuff writes better copy than anything we brainstorm in a doc.

Mining it by hand is where it breaks down though, I was listening back to calls and pulling quotes into a swipe file, which was fine for a few calls but fell apart the moment call volume picked up, so I started testing a couple AI call tools to pull the recurring language out for me.

Tried BuildBetter and Grain and went with one of them, and it groups the repeated phrasing into themes I can hand straight to the copywriter.

Still figuring out the optimal workflow, but the raw customer language beats invented positioning every time.

The tool matters less to me than the process, so what does your path from call transcript to a usable angle look like?

We hired our first employee in Spain last year through an EOR on a contrato indefinido. Good hire, but the fit with where the company's heading didn't work out, so we're planning to let them go. I went in assuming it'd be close to an at-will US situation. It is not.

Between the finiquito itself (accrued pay, unused holiday, prorated extra payments) and the statutory severance for the contract type, plus the notice rules, the number our account manager at Workmotion walked us through was a lot higher than I'd budgeted. To be fair to them, they flagged all of it upfront instead of letting us walk into a lawsuit, but it was still a gut punch.

For founders who've terminated an indefinido in Spain, what did the all-in cost actually land at as a multiple of monthly salary?

I'll be upfront, I'm not really a supplements guy and I went in skeptical. My girlfriend swears by ashwagandha, and a while back she went out of her way to get me a jar, some French brand called Nutrimea, because she was sick of hearing me complain about being wound up all the time.

It's been sitting next to the coffee machine for a good few weeks. I kept meaning to try it and just didn't, mostly because part of me figured it was placebo and I'd be wasting my time.

Then work blew up. We're in the middle of a restructure, half my team's future is up in the air, and I'm stuck in the middle of it. I'm lying awake at 2am with my brain running laps, snappy with everyone during the day, wiped out but unable to switch off. Pretty much the exact stuff people say ashwagandha is meant to help with, so suddenly that jar looks a lot more interesting.

So before I start on it, I thought I'd ask around. For those who've taken it through a really stressful stretch, did it take the edge off, or is it mostly in your head?

i dont know but i feel like i start losing my flirting skills, anyone had same experience ?!