u/Last_Conclusion_8984

TL;DR: 3.7 Flash is amazing for coding, instruction following, less sycophantic than 3.1 Pro, better at abstract reasoning/creativity than previous Flash models (yes, even better than 3 Flash), and great with long contexts.

Tho you should use 3.1 pro or other models for implementation plan, not 3.7 flash. It's not the best.

The harness is a bit bad, use MCP's like playwright and what not then make a rule for it to use appropriate MCP's all the time for the appropriate task.

What is it bad at?
Well, it's not particularly bad at anything (except conversationally), at least compared to previous Flash models and some SOTA models. But compared to 3.1 Pro, here are its limitations: it's a little worse at pure logic. 3.1 pro is better for pure reasoning/creativity and quite poor conversationally, even compared to standard Flash models.

It's not like the model can't do anything else (I tried some creative writing to test its flexibility), but its default style is agonizing. It uses way too many diagrams that don't render properly in AI Studio. Even if I explicitly tell it not to do that, it doesn't know how to stop because it fails to distinguish what gets marked as "code."

No matter what prompt or instruction you use, it just doesn't seem to work—unless I'm missing something, in which case I'd love to be corrected! :D

On 3.8 Flash rumors:
If you've heard rumors that 3.8 Flash is coming out soon... it's likely true. It could drop next month, but take unofficial "claims" with a grain of salt. I trust leakers like Leo and Lentils to an extent, but they often inject too much personal bias with phrases like "Google is cooked."

That said, Leo has been much more objective lately, likely because of the conversation I had with him in discord. Shi could make me cry. Why do I expect 3.8 next month anyway? Sundar stated they're targeting monthly (or near-monthly) releases, so expecting a new iteration soon is pretty reasonable!

TL;DR: 3.7 Flash is amazing for coding, instruction following, less sycophantic than 3.1 Pro, better at abstract reasoning/creativity than previous Flash models (yes, even better than 3 Flash), and great with long contexts.

Tho you should use 3.1 pro or other models for implementation plan, not 3.7 flash. It's not the best.

The harness is a bit bad, use MCP's like playwright and what not then make a rule for it to use appropriate MCP's all the time for the appropriate task.

What is it bad at?
Well, it's not particularly bad at anything (except conversationally), at least compared to previous Flash models and some SOTA models. But compared to 3.1 Pro, here are its limitations: it's a little worse at pure logic. 3.1 pro is better for pure reasoning/creativity and quite poor conversationally, even compared to standard Flash models.

It's not like the model can't do anything else (I tried some creative writing to test its flexibility), but its default style is agonizing. It uses way too many diagrams that don't render properly in AI Studio. Even if I explicitly tell it not to do that, it doesn't know how to stop because it fails to distinguish what gets marked as "code."

No matter what prompt or instruction you use, it just doesn't seem to work—unless I'm missing something, in which case I'd love to be corrected! :D

On 3.8 Flash rumors:
If you've heard rumors that 3.8 Flash is coming out soon... it's likely true. It could drop next month, but take unofficial "claims" with a grain of salt. I trust leakers like Leo and Lentils to an extent, but they often inject too much personal bias with phrases like "Google is cooked."

That said, Leo has been much more objective lately, likely because of the conversation I had with him in discord. Shi could make me cry. Why do I expect 3.8 next month anyway? Sundar stated they're targeting monthly (or near-monthly) releases, so expecting a new iteration soon is pretty reasonable!

... 3.7 flash seems to be impossible to jailbreak on an initial try. I have jailbroken the following: Gemini 3.1 pro, 3.5 flash, and 3.6 flash (and older models respectfully.) quite easily. 3.7 flash with the same jailbreak is not working.

The jailbreak is not known nor am I planning to make it known otherwise Google red teams monitor these prompts and patches well known ones or even niche ones.

So I keep them private. I have dynamically changed my jailbreak over the 2.5 years I have been jailbreaking/creative writing with Gemini and other models. I think I need to improve my prompt once more substantially. What about you guys? Is it hard?

(Note: I have only used it in AI studio so far. No API)

(So another user points out: It got patched because of AI studio. I don't think so. chat. It needs a whole lot of output for Google to patch them.

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Whenever I see people say "3.5 pro is actually 3.7 flash." (based on that image) is so wrong.

Firstly: the price. Do you all really think 3.5 pro would be 0.75 per input and 3.75 per output for months on end? And the allowed messages are super high as well (same for the amount of messages in antigravity. I never run out)

Second point is: Speed. A pro model this fast and cheap? They cannot maintain this forever but guess what? The speed will stay the same forever (not in antigravity tho, cause its boosted rn.)

As for people who think 3.5 pro is cancelled clearly don't keep up with the internet, these conspiracy theories to hate Gemini are just getting crazy delusional.

Just because "SemiAnalysis" (a trash news site nowadays.) says "its cancelled." doesn't mean anything. I already refuted all of their points about Deepmind/3.5 pro anyways:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1vl3ws7/stop_trusting_semianalysis_biggest_fraud_ever/

Don't comment if you haven't seen that otherwise your gonna defend refuted points.

SemiAnalysis has transitioned from a technically dense substack to an entity capable of wiping billions off market caps with a single report, their motives have come under intense scrutiny. Throughout 2026, they have repeatedly been accused of engineering market swings and operating with severe conflicts of interest (and even getting sued.)

Sorry for imprecise language/words. This subreddit doesn't allow specific words

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Whenever I see people say "3.5 pro is actually 3.7 flash." (based on that image) is so wrong.

Firstly: the __blank__ (sorry. This subreddit doesn't allow it). Do you all really think 3.5 pro would be 0.75 per input and 3.75 per output for months on end? And the rate limits are super high as well (same for quota in antigravity. I never run out)

Second point is: Speed. A pro model this fast and cheap? They cannot maintain this forever but guess what? The speed will stay the same forever (not in antigravity tho, cause its boosted rn.)

As for people who think 3.5 pro is cancelled, clearly don't keep up with the internet, these conspiracy theories to hate Gemini are just getting crazy delusional.

Just because "SemiAnalysis" (a trash news site nowadays.) says "its cancelled." doesn't mean anything. I already refuted all of their points about Deepmind/3.5 pro anyways:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1vl3ws7/stop_trusting_semianalysis_biggest_fraud_ever/

Don't comment if you haven't seen that otherwise your gonna defend refuted points.

SemiAnalysis has transitioned from a technically dense substack to an entity capable of wiping billions off market caps with a single report, their motives have come under intense scrutiny. Throughout 2026, they have repeatedly been accused of engineering market swings and operating with severe conflicts of interest (and even getting sued.)

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Surprisingly a lot of people don't know this... Anyways, real talk. Gemini 3.1 pro is so ahead of Sol. 200 points... and Opus 5?

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Gemini 3.1 pro is FIVE HUNDRED points ahead. I saw one of their games... Gemini absolutely annihilated Claude Opus 5 and it did while simplifying the game and ended it with a beautiful checkmate (Go check)

I'm excited to see if Gemini 3.7 flash improved, likely not tho.

The reason I'm sharing this is because of Gotham Chess. Every video he does with AI matches is with Gemini not being at its best.

I don't know which model Gotham chooses that its really bad. Literally Gemini 3.1 pro is sooo good, it doesn't hallucinate a SINGLE move. It lasted 46 moves against Stockfish without cheating. Only made an inaccuracy at 21st.

You guys wanna know something? It did SO well on one move (thought for 3 and a half minutes) that Stockfish when analysing the move thought for a good 12 seconds before finally marking it as the best move. It recovered .6 percent in evav bar.

I did this post before with 3.6 flash, it's time I do it again:

Is 3.7 flash good? No. It is beyond good for its price and speed. In one of the tests that I did: It beat Fable 5 and Sol in a minecraft clone test. (Three.JS) In another test, It fell just short of Sol (Three.JS.)

It's better than 3.1 pro in everything except pure reasoning (abstract reasoning/logic) but 3.1 pro wins by a hair. 3.7 flash is better at everything else, the difference is just minute at this point

Sonnet 5 is beat on almost all benchmarks:

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And these benchmarks are just really popular ones. There are also like 50 other benchmarks where 3.6 flash/3.1 pro is frontier/number one at. I expect 3.7 flash to be a top tier competitor once more, tho I have to see later if they have updated them. (Nothing yet.)

It follows instructions ... SUPER WELL. It's amazing, it isn't lazy AT ALL, at least compared to 3.6 flash/3.1 pro. I really love it. BUT just because it follows instructions super well doesn't mean it's a door mat. It is less sycophantic, its inferring skills are good. I think this is a top tier model by Google.

Now. I will hold by what I said before. Models will NOT get nerfed unless a new model is on the horizon. So if this starts to get nerfed in like 2/3 weeks. It's because of the next model incoming (Sundar said they are doing monthly releases.)

IT'S SOO GOOD. Dude. It's like its finally putting its internal knowledge to use. AHH, so exciting. I still haven't ran my own benchmarks, it's from someone I saw.

It's insane. the textures feel old minecrafty with their own distinct style.

Here's the prompt: Create a complete Minecraft clone fully written in a HTML file work with Three.js and make it as close as possible. ensure to have all the survival aspects like breaking blocks, a hand with items, obviously world generation, and HUD interface

3.7 flash - high. Made with Antigravity

(I can't upload videos, I guess? Just see the link: https://x.com/JustinGorya/status/2087966286240162295/video/1)

I of course am late to the hype train of the movie but it got me going and since people are talking about the new avatar. I have been seeing SO much undeserved hate on Avatar and the direction they took with it.

People blame Korra for being a bad Avatar because of what she allowed to happen and what she did... lets talk about her past yeah?

She never got the past avatar's connections until much later. She never got guidance from her past lives and she was supposed to learn everything herself until she got it. For the reason (I talk about later.) they just don't teach her airbending at the start, and when she does start. It was when she was fairly aged. (Kids learn better and faster)

Side rant: they just don't teach her Tenzin's excuse of "republic city needs me." just wasn't true.

His excuse about Republic City was an evasion, heavily driven by his crippling anxiety (My inference) about being Aang's legacy.

He tried to force a hyper physical, tactile water tribe girl to sit quietly and meditate on air nomad philosophy. That is terrible teaching. It’s no wonder she couldn't learn airbending. He was trying to force a style into her that she can't learn with his teachings. It wasn't until she was thrown into Pro bending (a fast paced environment) that she actually started understanding the footwork and evasion techniques required for airbending.

Anyways. Aang was raised by monks and was taught discipline and ideals by the monks. but he was allowed to be a child. He traveled the world, played games in Omashu with Bumi, and had peers. When he formed the gaang.

He was learning alongside Katara, Toph, and Zuko. They were his equals, his best friends (who love him and he loves back), and his grounding mechanisms.

Korra wasn't. No one corrected her arrogance... well. She wasn't that arrogant. I think she was fairly compassionate and such but had a fiery side to her which wasn't checked. She was lonely (to an extent) Her ignorance piled on further and behavior.

Aang was a kid who had to take the responsivity and the weight of a world filled with war. He didn't respect that fully and slowly grew it into it. His childhood was never butchered as he had life long friends, a lover and masters who were also his bestfriends. Korra was a person who never had a childhood because she was kept in a gilded cage and had no friends until when she was an adult. And masters who had their own issues (Tenzin) He wasn't that wise as a teacher but got better.

I want to discuss the past lives more: Aaag could get consult from Roku or literally so many Avatars... she couldn't do this. Literally no one taught her AIrbending or this until much later. Why do people use this point to say "she did bad." A lot of what she did was caused by ignorance. Like I know she is supposed to bring balance to the world but she can't do that without knowledge, experience or spiritual help which she didn't get untiL WAY later.

Which eventually got destroyed too which wasn't her fault, it was that her team was trash. Please don't come here saying "well she could have chose anyone else, it was her fault for choosing." Yes she is the chooser but your forgetting that's her only friends who do bending (ignoring Tenzins side.) She was lonely and was fiery. She got attached to them quickly! I don't think you can blame this on her.

The scene I'm referring to is when Korra was fighting Unalaq and she told Bolin and Mako to hold off the twins... they couldn't even last 2 minutes. She was winning btw, if they had done their job. She wouldn't have lost her connection

On the topic of the world... people say pro bending isn't good or isn't believable... when it literally is. What happens after 70 years (forgot exact time) of peace is given to a community who faced war, and such... they turn it into a form of play. Fencing, javelin throwing, and modern MMA all stem from lethal martial practices.

Also I think non benders were HIGHLY believable. In Republic City, benders hold all the power. The city's ruling council was entirely made of benders, the police force was exclusively metalbenders, and the criminal underworld (the triads) used bending to extort non bending citizens. living in a world where your just a third class citizen to people born with genetic superpowers would make me so angry and frustrated. I sympathise with them. I can see how it breeds resentment and structural conflict. It is a highly logical progression for a story transitioning from a traditional era to an industrialized one.

People call Aang's world more magical... Aang’s world felt more "magical" and traditional because it was a fractured, agrarian society surviving a 100 year war. Cultures were isolated and fiercely clinging to their ancient traditions to avoid erasure by the Fire Nation (and other factors).

Korra’s world is set 70 (I forgot the excat time) years later in an era of post war globalization and the industrial revolution. And frankly, the industrialization makes perfect sense given the magic system. If you have people who can literally generate lightning, bend metal, and move earth, an industrial revolution wouldn't take centuries. it would happen in decades. Lightning benders working in power plants and metalbenders constructing skyscrapers is a natural progression of the world's established rules.

Some audiences in other stories LOVE when stories take a mature twist as stories get an expansion to fans who are much older. When The Legend of Korra actually delivered thematic maturity tackling complex ideologies (equality/communism, theocracy, anarchy, fascism), the messiness of industrialization, technological displacement, and severe PTSD. So many fans rejected it. Unless theres another reason?

They even went further and beyond. Letting the Avatar have her consequences unlike in the original. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE the original. I think it's excellent and amazing. BUT it had its issues. They handed Aang a lot of "convenient things" At the end of the series, want Aang to fulfill what he wants and lucky lucky. He finds a lion heart turtle (forgot the name, sorry.) that gives him energy bending. I'm again, not saying the show is bad. But it had its convenience to Aand. But the main show didn't, anytime Korra made a mistake. She was taught a lesson severely, some permanent or some long lasting.

He's buying me ChatGPT Max plan (20x Credits), Gemini Ultra (20x Credits), Claude Max (20x credits), Suno AI (max plan), and Scenario AI (max plan, 30k credits) and lastly 60k Robux. (This is one time monthly)

I might be wrong about the total as I did the math in my head and am not good at it, haha. Seriously. I'm super grateful for this and want to show my appreciation but, he does not accept anything for his birthday. I am not rich nor am I well off financially so he gets me stuff frequently. So him buying things means a lot to me.

Don't get me wrong. I've asked him to not buy me stuff before and a lot of users told me that I should accept his gifts because that's a way of showing my appreciation and that by rejecting his gifts constantly will be a rejection of him.

I love him, and I know he loves me back even if he's too stubborn to say it.

But back to my question. Should I really let him do this? (Insisting doesn't deter him. I'm gonna have to tell him "I won't use it at all, so it's gonna sit useless so don't buy me it")

Check my Creative Writing post out before responding;

https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1vhf7vc/comment/p3cocf3/?screen_view_count=2&ext-referrer=DIRECT

So since I'm currently striving to make it a benchmark inside reddit... should I label everything I do? Should I do this: "I do blank and blank. Btw these aren't just what I do." or instead do this: "I do blank, blank and blank. To know more:"

I feel like doing the second is too over polluting the post. I also want to do formatting right. I feel like it's too bland and tasteless.

But If I don't do the second then I'm withholding information and this benchmark may not seem as intricate/untrustworthy. Should I link it to another post or should I make a small github website for all the information?

Please leave your tips and advice in the comments. I'd really appreciate what people want.

Dmitry just directly vague posted on my comment. It's not cancelled

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He likely won't respond to my follow up but worth a shot.

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Third mention of 3.5 pro (presumably. 3,7 Flash is gonna take longer to come) This is obviously NOT a normal observation; this is pre launch staging. As I said before. They would not talk about a dead model or a model they won't release.

The fact that "we're not just talking about the new Google Pixel devices" was what Google said for the event then then thought that people would ask him about it means the release candidate is locked. He is literally waiting this stage was Gemini 3.5 Pro.

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So, if it WAS getting scrapped. Google developers will NOT and I tell you this much. NOT talk about gemini 3.5 pro. I won't make this long as I have to play with my BFF. And he's getting impatient.

Like it's crazy. (Yes I know this is misleading. It doesn't actually mean how often it hallucinates but the chance of that rate when it does hallucinate.)

In my rigorous testing of Sol. It's hallucination chance (how often) were agonisingly high. Like f*ck. I was doing document analysis and analysis of generality/some subjects. I have never seen a model this bad in this regard.

Sol is so bad. (Except coding. It's a pure coding model.)

https://preview.redd.it/n053xixhgqih1.png?width=289&format=png&auto=webp&s=db8fa7237e60a11044d32aa145c127fe851cdc69

If you haven't encountered the hallucinations, you probably missed them, it searches a lot or you are doing coding/long horizon tasks.

Not to mention its other problems. It strawmans everything I say, then attacks my the strawmanned statement. It gets direct text wrong (It's not even about inferring. IT'S LITERAL TEXT. HOW IS IT INFERRING SOMETHING ELSE)

It's inference skills are as bad as a monkey with how illiterate it seems. It's general knowledge is also pretty bad except science/some biology.

Gemini 3.1 pro's hallucination rates is 51 percent. And sometimes does hallucinate (and gets worse as the context grows.) Is Gemini more hallucinative than before? Yes definitely. But that's because it was quantized.

Why? Because a while ago (May) 3.5 pro was announced and supposed to come out in June. So they quantized 3.1 pro because why should they waste compute on a model that's about to be replaced... once they did, they did not anticipate. They would delay the model and now we are stuck with a quantized model 😭

I'll go point by point and talk about Gemini 3.5 pro last.

But if you haven't heard: It calls Gemini out of the game and calls gemini 3.5 pro cancelled while being factually incorrect/inferring wrong about deepmind.

First off. To discuss deepmind. They call "With Demis Hassabis stepping back to an advisory role"...

Yes... but that's only for deepmind. He is not advisory for his position as chief scientist. He is explicitly tasked with long term AGI strategy, macro planning, and continuing to lead Isomorphic Labs (their drug discovery arm).

Demis won a Nobel Prize for alphafold; he is a scientist who wants to solve intelligence to solve science (per his words). He does not want to spend his days fighting with Thomas over google cloud TPU allocations or figuring out how to optimize Gemini's latency for enterprise chatbot APIs. Koray taking over the day to day role frees Hassabis to do the exact research he actually cares about, rather than playing product manager.

"legacy heavyweights like Jeff Dean, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, and Sanjay Ghemawat leaving to form a new lab called Discovery Loop"

They use that to invalidate deepmind...

Discovery loop is literally funded (funding investor) by Google and is its exclusive Cloud provider (For the first year).

Now... Why are so many people leaving Deepmind? A lot of people are leaving, not because Deepmind is bad or failing but because Deepmind is no longer doing what they originally joined Deepmind for which is essential research on things they care about and more importantly: Freedom and resources to do that said research. But the AI race has forced Deepminds hands.

Now... Is gemini 3.5 pro cancelled? No. It is not and will not be cancelled unless the "3.5 pro coming soon" indicator in deepminds website disappears. Silently cancelled my *hole

https://reddit.com/link/1viozbo/video/yv9p4vwyk3ih1/player

It's very rare but if you keep retrying. You'll get a substantially better output. Look at that difference. The "it's speculation" crowd will obviously come.

It is speculation ... only if you use AI studio and never the consumer website. Everyone knows the consumer website is inferior to the one in AI studio (and gemini 3.1 pro is inclined to ask more questions in the consumer website.) If you compare the outputs of AI studio with this Gemini. This is substantially better. (less lazy as well.) nor is it asking me questions.

The timeline use, pics and such are amazing. (And it thinks way longer than gemini 3.1 pro in AI studio even on simple questions (because of my system prompt)) And I love that.)

This is NOT A/B. It's just silently routing to Gemini 3.5