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I’m not saying Brooke, Katie or really anyone on the show is a good role model for women but… at this point Steffy was right, she set a bad message to young women. Hope Logan who cannot solves her own problems but always need a man to solve them for her. Hope Logan who only hate injustices when it happens to her because she pretty silent to all the other injustices in the office. Hope Logan who refuse to take any accountability at this point and be honest to her love ones. The fact that Liam has to go “no more” cause she wasn’t going quit on her own, shows exactly why she since stopped being role model for women. Unfortunately I think that part has always been a fault of the character which day more about what writers at the time thought women should be. I’m glad we are getting more independent women like Steffy, Shiela and Li because I’m so tired of this.

It’s odd how much people point to her support with Noire as this indicator of her being an awful person when most of her other support prove that to be wrong? Like in her support with Kellam she goes out of her way to reconnect him with his brother with asking nothing in return. Lon Qu she tried to help him with his trauma with woman by removing his memories, before removing them she fully explain what she be removing; making sure he absolutely certain of his decisions. Nowi ask her to locate her parents, Tharja find out they’re dead but she check back on her in the A support and ensure her that she never be alone again(weird to have this support in the same game where Tiki ended up alone but point still stand). Libra she was just a therapist for him… actually a lot of these support she ends up being a therapist. But most of these support someone approach her for something and she set a high price only to ask for nothing by the end. Shoot the only person she truly mean to is Henry and that largely because she think he a spy for Grimeal/plegia at first. Most of these show that Tharja is kind but is extremely poor at presenting kindness to others.So I’m curious where does this idea come from that she completely cruel?

Hope playing the blame game now and getting uppity about her mom not becoming co ceo and saving her line (and her job at this point) but…. Was it even a possibility in the first place. Like Ridge couldn’t fire Steffy, he could only beg her to step down. Brooke couldn’t become CEO because no one was willing to step down and the point she was making was that she want to work with Ridge, so nothing could be done there. Carter while he agreed to the shutting of Hope Line, it not like he can change his mind and make it happen; he tried that last year and it didn’t happen till he did the takeover. It was way out of anyone hand to begin with so I’m now actually wondering… why did Hope held out hope in the first place?

After today episode, it seem like Brooke is done fighting for Hope which…. Good, Hope should fight her own battles. But now we already know they’re not giving back the line, and it will probably come out by someone that Hope tried to get her out of FC through her mom. A questions came up to me… what if Hope loses it all? Like she hasn’t been fair to Liam and Katie by holding them up when they offered a month ago by now so it wouldn’t surprise if Katie got tired of waiting and moved on/don’t want the smoke with Brooke. Steffy definitely and honestly gave every right to fire her for being someone who cannot be trusted in the company anymore. What if this is all set up for Hope to lose all support and she can only blame herself for her actions. Do you think this is what they’re setting up or do you think the plan still is to shove her to Logan?

I want to first note that all of the parents are such different people from our timeline version. The timeline is already completely changed by the time of the assassination attempt on Emmeryn in the house. Future Cordelia makes Severa feel so insignificant that Severa actually believe her mom loved Chrom more than her(probably did), future Tharja torture Noire to create protection spells without expressing that it was to protect her, and Robin is Grima, etc. So umm yeah who do you consider to be the worse parent of the awakening cast?

I remember back in the day how people who hype up Donnel…. Later on I realize playing on Lunatic, Donnel might be the worst unit because you’re wasting time on a unit that bad till he get to level 10 when you already have units that can barely deal with lunatic enemies! Character wise he kinda redundant too since a lot of units are pretty similar to him. The other thing is that in comparison to other “trainee” units, he doesn’t really have anything going for him. But because he was so popular we got Donnel but female in Fates as she somehow better than him because she start with a lance and range weapon. Just playing other FE games and playing Awakening on a harder difficulty really make you realize how bad Donnel is. I give Donnel as the easiest answer but I’m curious if someone can think of someone who aged worse or someone who takes second place.

Season 16 was so combat focused that as a Tsuyu Main, I struggle to rescue 3 people per game. People now drop in area where high survivors usually are, you can’t stay in storm for too long so you can’t go back for things like chest or survivors too often without half or more of your health. I’m glad this wasn’t my first season because I would find this game extremely hard to play since there barely a calm moment anymore. Do you want to have focus on combat or looting in season 17?

This year has made almost everyone miserable to watch. Like I was really starting to find Ridge to be my favorite character currently on the show, constantly trying to play peacemaker, making personal life and work as separate as possible; heck I really do like that he refuse to blame Katie for everything going on, him taking fault with Eric, him trying to do better by Taylor, even him seeing Bill purposely trying to destroy Katie connection to her family and standing on principle when it comes to people telling him what to do when he doesn’t want to do it…. Then this non sense with Brooke happened. Like everything Ridge built up to this year was great and showed growth, it would have been perfect if he just flat out told Brooke no; heck refuse to put personal feelings for his job. That what people accuse Steffy of doing so he shouldn’t do the same but nope. Will is bad with his playing the field with 2 girls, Katie is pathetic with her indecisiveness and Liam is close to second place with how much growth he had but for me Ridge is the worst because his writing overall was genuinely improving. The consistent problem though is that all his good writing falls when he actually has to do something with Brooke.

I never understood this notion especially when as of late they been more “meta” in terms of writing and just barely not directly addressing actual post from media. Like Hope using the term “bullying” and calling Steffy “a bully” when she has never done that before. Only really saying it cause that what fans tend to say. Brooke addressing how her fan base would love to see her as CEO clearly pointing at how loved Brooke is by certain fans. Etc.

But what does referencing old stuff do anymore if they just going to repeat that old stuff. Like people say “they should bring X back” ok for what? What does that do for the current storylines? Steffy mentioning how much she owns of FC won’t do anything because they “need”(for whatever story they’re trying to tell even though it’s really should be given up on by this point) to have Brooke as CEO so she can face off against Katie in “equal footing”. Brooke also need to keep HFTF down for Hope to go to Logan. Referencing and bringing character back isn’t going to make them change course. Shoot we saw what they do to characters they bring back now, look at Nick, look at Thomas, look at Paris mom, etc.

I always felt this narrative of “Steffy a bully to Hope” “Steffy must always lord over Hope” “Steffy has a echo chamber” to be so silly because it’s more clear that Steffy doesn’t give a f*ck about Hope like that. Steffy lives rent free in Hope head so much that Hope can’t have a single storyline where she isn’t involved in any way. Meanwhile Steffy can go months without talking about Hope, she can have a life outside of Hope and she can have a story without Hope. Shoot is it wrong to want someone out of your life, not really especially when all they ever do is f*ck with your life.

Oh “Steffy threaten Hope line”, yeah but so did the rest of the company. No one disagree ever when it come to shelving Hope line and when it does happen only a few people is against it. But when Hope want to bully Steffy like when she already felt guilt for sleeping with Liam and cheating on Finn, Hope double down and makes her feel worthless to the point that Finn has to rebuild her confidence. How about when Hope made her job worst when she worked under her? I’m just tired of this narrative that Steffy is only bad to Hope, when reality is they both awful to each other and only difference is Hope act like she a victim and people fall for it still. When the last several storyline has pointed out this problematic aspect of Hope where she act like a victim, uses people and when people leave her; they’re much happier(except Thomas who had to take a random stray cause Liam lived). I wonder what the conclusion will be this time, will Hope just keep blaming everything on the Forrester or will she stop the victim act and move on? Wait we know the answer because she going to go to Logan.

Obviously for the dumb plot of Katie Logan to keep going, Hope has to get her mom to become CEO then she also need to have her mom reinstate her line, then what exactly is Katie plan? It’s weirdly stupid of Katie to not to have a backup plan. “Oh you know how I banked everything on Eric with no plans for the future, that panned out poorly once something went slightly wrong. (he was going to leave after the first line originally so him leaving earlier made not much of a different) I’m sure banking everything on a flippant person like Hope will work out”. I think back to the take over and how they weren’t afraid of asking “what happens when something goes wrong” and look at how the plot is here. It’s so clear things can’t go wrong simply because Katie need to have x happen to keep going, you already know what’s going to happen. Brooke is going to become CEO and not reinstate HFTF because Katie need Hope to leave. Then they act like Brooke is wrong for this when she said from the beginning that she agree with Steffy decision.

Hope has had multiple chances to Katie about Deke, promote his stuff, suggest him for a designer role but nope when the actual moment arrives Hope only think about what she can do at Logan rather than think of her brother Deke. But I suppose at this point it the Logan way. Barely support each other when it out of your way and only support each other when you get something in return. Katie all of a sudden support Hope after not supporting her for years and Hope thought badly of her actions with Eric as a whole, but they start supporting each other now that they have something to gain. Brooke sure wasn’t supportive of either of the two but was only supportive of Hope when she could get back with Ridge by undermining her. Donna is the exception to the Logan’s but that by proxy of her not doing anything.

I say this is the Logan way now because for the last couple of years the Logans has been presented as this self serving family of opportunist and been constantly put in the antagonist role. Characters like Hope and Brooke has become so impartial to other characters that they only ever actively talk to other characters that they are against or can use. It makes me wonder when did they start doing this and why? We see other characters casually talk to each other and not use or have some rivalry. Why is all the Logan the one that stuck in this partial role of being opportunist?

At least with the take over things going to where they did made sense and connected to each other. Steffy feel attack and unsafe in her work place after being attacked by murderers and Hope shows no sympathy for what she been through so she go through with firing Hope after she see her pounce on Finn. Hope goes after Carter cause he know him to be loyal and honest after having being tired of her disloyal relationship with Liam for so long. Ridge grows tired of the relationship with Brooke after the countless attack on his son character(doesn’t matter what he did it just a father defending his son who he loves) so he breaks up with her the moment she betray him in his eyes. Etc there was a real cause and effect that we saw.

Now we got Brooke wanna suddenly be co-CEO even though she was CEO last year and had no fight when she loss the position but Hope say she should all of a sudden so now she want to be co CEO. Katie wanting a fashion house despite having very little interest in designing or involving herself in her sister and sister daughter work. Hope all of a sudden saying Katie always supported her despite her voting to kill her line last year and her saying Brooke she be allowed to not support her, now she a big Katie fan.

With the 8th anniversary coming up I wanted to see what unit people think aged the best and worst out of the 7th anniversary and it after party. For me personally U6 saiyans aged extremely well but the thing is the universe 6 only follow up was the after party units, their after party universe 6 units were a bust. I think U6 saiyans is on the steps to greatness but just need 1 more good unit. Aged the worse would be in my opinion Vegeta Saiyan saga, like this man was moving different when he came out only for him to completely fold I think as soon as ultra Frieza comes out. Like it’s not just that he had his moment but it that he had his moment with Kaio Ken Goku yet couldn’t keep up with the heat after slightly turning up the temperature.

Brooke going “I should become Co-CEO cause my daughter told me to so” kinda loses the plot. Beside the fact that she doesn’t have the business expertise and rarely show interest in any line that isn’t courtier or her daughter, isn’t the whole point of Katie being so unsatisfied with her life now because she hasn’t been making any choices herself. Others has been doing it for her thus she can’t really feel for any of the achievements she made while Brooke lives happy cause she always do what she want by her choices. Really all the Hope stuff as of late just feel like it loss the plot for something that isn’t her story. Steffy and Hope fighting again adds nothing to the current plot and really makes all the similarities to the takeover storyline more comparable by how bad everything been handled here. It just feel so roundabout on a story about Katie… for Katie to keep being the background character.

I genuinely don’t see why Hope must do all this just to go to Logan, what does it add to the plot or Hope? “Hope feels unappreciated” that like every other week with her. She feel appreciated by her mom, her husband, her work, even her son at one point. Why not just have her leave and Steffy deal with the after math by a SUDDEN department rather than a dragged out one. You could actually explore how Steffy view Hope now that she no longer have to work for her and there no rivalry for a bit. But naw we gotta go back to the classic that people are tired of. Am I the one that think we lost the plot or do you there was so little plot that you don’t care?

It’s so weird Hope is acting like she had no choice and has to switch sides in the matter but 1 Steffy gave you back your job out of pity, you didn’t have to go back. 2 why are you only going to Steffy about your line? And isn’t the only boss you have. If Ridge, Eric or Carter disagree and say we should bring it back now, she wouldn’t stomp her foot down. 3. Being the most important one, the jewelry line and Fragrance are both doing amazing and constantly progressing upwards. HFTF being shelved wouldnt necessarily kill it compared to the other 2 because it has legacy behind it. (From what we been told all of Carter ventures paid off but we don’t know which did the best though given how much focus been on the jewelry line, it probably was the jewelry line making the most bank)

I knew they wouldn’t be able to keep the peace for long but it’s more annoying with Hope just only going to Steffy, what if Ridge and Carter agreed? Is it still personal or do you just want an excuse to quit? What if your mom agreed? The situation only feel personal because Hope making it feel that way without actually doing anything that wouldn’t make it personal. Even after Steffy is like “stop running your mouth off, before I fire you for insubordination” she still continue like a child like “oh you’re going to regret this” in her face. I thought we were done with this childish nonsense from Hope. I thought we finally moved away from Hope playing these games and learning to be blunt and honest. If this was takeover Hope before the factory reset she would have quit or gone to someone else. But now that we factory reset, Hope can only talk to 4 people on screen again. Only this time replace Thomas with Katie.

So something has always been odd to me and maybe this was retcon in but Eric being paid handsomely doesn’t make sense. There wasn’t a contract because Eric was doing it as a favor, he also wouldn’t ask for payment in return if it a favor. Eric also hasn’t mentioned anything about being paid, he only mentioned that he the one who went over there. You’d think that he would also admit to being paid for the job but he hasn’t. It not like he hiding anything about the job, so where exactly did Eric get paid.

There 2 conclusion I came to, 1 being the one to be most likely… they realize they wrote themselves in a corner by having no way of legally presenting Eric designs without his consent. Really this whole storyline has been them realizing constantly “oops we wrote Katie into a corner and now we gotta figure out how she can get out now.”, Hope all of a sudden shares Liam opinion when weeks ago she said that Katie stole the designs just so she can easily go to Katie side with no conflict with Katie. HFTF just somehow staying on the shelf despite around the time Eric was forced into retirement they implied they were about to present HFTF line by constantly saying how Ridge and everyone has to train Deke who was only an intern for HFTF. Etc

Conclusion 2 is more interesting in that Bill maybe paid Eric for the supplies he needed. This is a new fashion house so it’s likely didn’t have anything he needed so he requested money for that(he probably could have brought it himself but was more trying to tell Katie “hey this is what you’ll need to have after I leave” with a paper trail). Bill was complaining about the material he requested was expensive so what Bill might be talking about in terms of payment isnt directly payment but is money used on the project.