There was once a major centre of learning in Saurashtra that most of us probably don't hear about nearly as much as Nalanda.

It was Valabhi, the capital of the Maitraka dynasty. Valabhi was already an important port and trading centre, but by around the 7th century it had also become a major place of learning. The Chinese monk Yijing wrote that its reputation rivalled that of Nalanda.

And it wasn't only Buddhist studies. Students came there for subjects such as law, economics, administration, accountancy and literature. Some graduates went on to work in government.

The old city was in what is now Vallabhipur in Bhavnagar district. Today, there's obviously nothing resembling the university that once stood there. Most of what we know about Valabhi comes from inscriptions, historical accounts and the writings of travellers who visited India.

It's kind of strange to think that a place in Saurashtra was once mentioned alongside Nalanda as a major centre of learning.

I only came across Valabhi properly while reading about the history of Saurashtra, and it made me wonder how many other places around here have stories that have almost disappeared from popular memory.

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u/New_Octopus — 13 days ago

Bhagvatsinhji and the changes he brought to Gondal

One thing I recently found interesting about Gondal was how early it made girls' education compulsory.

By 1918, Gondal State had compulsory education for girls in all of its villages. This was during the rule of Maharaja Bhagvatsinhji.

His interest in education wasn't limited to girls either. Schools were opened across the state, and Gondal eventually had free and compulsory primary education. He also pushed for technical education, hospitals, railways, irrigation and other public works.

There was another side to the reforms too. Bhagvatsinhji's wife, Maharani Nandkunvarba, stopped observing purdah and began appearing at public events. The practice of keeping women secluded within the palace was also ended.

And then there's the Bhagavadgomandal, the huge Gujarati dictionary and encyclopaedia that was produced with his support. It eventually became a nine-volume work covering thousands of pages.

It's interesting to think about all of this in the context of a relatively small princely state in Saurashtra.

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u/New_Octopus — 15 days ago

100 of us now! 🥳

We’ve officially reached 100 members on r/Kathiyawar.

It may not sound like a huge number compared to the massive subreddits out there, but for a community that’s focused specifically on Kathiyawar and Saurashtra, 100 people is a pretty good start.

Thanks to everyone who joined, contributed, and helped the subreddit get here.

100 members today. Let’s see where we can take it from here.

- Your dearest mod

u/New_Octopus — 1 month ago

Lost Beneath the Sutlej, How the last ruler of Kahlur (Bilaspur) sacrificed his ancestral capital for India's development

After independence, the Bhakra project was approved as a major national development project to provide irrigation, generate electricity, and support India’s economic growth. Its reservoir, however, required the submergence of the old capital of Kahlur. Raja Anand Chand, the last ruler of the Chandel dynasty of Kahlur, accepted the project despite knowing that his ancestral capital, chandel palaces, temples would be lost beneath the rising waters. From 1954 onward, the Sutlej gradually swallowed the historic town, including Chandel temples, royal palaces, homes, and surrounding land. By 1962–63, the old capital of Kahlur lay submerged beneath the newly formed Gobind Sagar reservoir.

Anand Chand nevertheless continued to fight for his people and their interests during this transformation. He secured a separate administrative identity for Bilaspur before its integration into Himachal Pradesh. His journey continued from hereditary ruler to administrator and finally an elected Member of Parliament. The Chandela capital was lost, but the legacy of Kahlur survived through its people and memory.

u/New_Octopus — 2 months ago

The time when Rajputs went to war over Refuge of a small bird!

A real battle between Sodha Parmar and Chabhad Rajputs took place over a single refugee partridge. In Vikram Samvat 1474, an injured partridge (titar) flew into the Sodha Parmar camp, seeking shelter under Mother Jombai's lap. The Chabhads claimed the bird was their theft and demanded it be handed over, but Mother Jombai refused in defense of Rajput honor. This seemingly small dispute soon escalated into a full-scale conflict. Later accounts suggest that the injured partridge may have been deliberately used as a pretext to provoke the clash, pointing toward underlying political motives. As a result, 500 Chabhads had fallen, while 140 Sodha Parmars were martyred. Through this bloody sacrifice over a single bird, the Sodha Parmars preserved their honor.

u/New_Octopus — 2 months ago

A Quick Update About Post Flairs

As more people are sharing historical posts about Kathiyawar, I noticed something.

Some posts are based on books, inscriptions, archaeology, or other historical sources. Others are based on local legends, oral traditions, and stories that have been passed down for generations.

Both are important, but they're not the same thing.

So from now on, we'll be using two separate flairs:

📜 History

  • For posts backed by reliable historical sources.

🏺 Folklore & Legends

  • For local legends, folk stories, oral traditions, and historical claims that don't have clear evidence yet.

This isn't about saying one is "true" and the other is "false." Folklore is an important part of Kathiyawar's identity and deserves its own place here.

The goal is simply to make it easier for everyone to know what they're reading.

Thanks everyone for helping build this community.

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u/New_Octopus — 2 months ago

Some takeaways from this Rajputana vs Brahmanraaj controversy:

First of all, it doesn't matter who started this controversy or who did less wrong - everyone involved is equally responsible for the damage caused to the sentiments of genuine people.

For those who don't know what happened:

some random guy from Brahmanraaj took screenshots of random comments from random people on our sub and made an issue out of it, and some people from our sub replied to them with their points. But what actually did hurt was that most of the "active and engaging members" of Brahmanraaj reacted with something we didn't expect - slurs and targeting with foul language (or, we could say, this is their actual perception of Rajputs, without the fear of pretending unity). That's the issue we need to address because the overall sentiment of a community is represented by its top engaging members.

This post is meant for Rajputs only. It's a one-way message to them:

  1. Brahmins, or for that matter any community, are not what you think. No one is your ally (until it benefits them). You are standing alone and need to figure your stuff out on your own - that's how it works.

  2. Our sub has fewer Rajputs. This is personally what I've experienced - that non-Rajputs, especially Brahmins, are present in very large numbers in our sub, which I don't mind, but at the end of the day, it's was meant to be our sub, and the majority should ideally be Rajputs, since it's the majority public that forms the vibe and stand of a community.

  3. Our mods and the sub are too focused on "GC Unity," "Reservation Hatao," and deleting or banning people who go against Brahmins. Our own issues aren't getting highlighted, and by taking on responsibility for wider, bigger issues, we're diluting our activism and membership in this subreddit. We ourselves are not that strong, but still want to work on issues not just limited to our own community.

And lastly, I think the mods should not keep Brahmanraaj as an official allied or sister community. I don't mean giving them no audience - no. And also, I'm not saying this out of hate, but out of practicality. The two communities have their own dedicated spaces where they should be able to discuss their community without hesitation. Brahmins have opinions in their minds that Rajputs won't like, and vice versa. Since these spaces are dedicated to their specific communities, they should be free to speak on this too, without being limited because the two subs are officially aligned. Everyone should be able to speak their mind without fear of violating an official alliance - they shouldn't have to hesitate or hold back on any matter due to some obligated agreement.

This doesn't mean cutting ties forever or in every way - just ending the official alliance, so people aren't restricted and don't feel they need to wear a mask or put on a fake show of unity when talking about each other. They can talk freely! Crossposts and community events can continue, but the rules and moderation of each community shouldn't be influenced by being "friendly" with each other.

Someone had to say it, and I said it. It's beneficial for both communities. We just need to discuss this openly and practically, without being influenced by political events or political needs but only by community consciousness.

Share your thoughts in the comments, and let me know if you agree with this or have any other say.

Mods of both subs should listen to people's opinions in the comments and then react or take further steps accordingly. BTW, a big thank you to mods of both the communities because they deleted unnecessary and childish posts and took things under control.

Thank you,

Jai Bhawani!

Jai Rajputana!

Jai Parshuram!

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u/New_Octopus — 2 months ago

Rajput history of Saurashtra is more than just tales of battle. It is a deeply romanticized era of profound chivalry, unbreakable promises, and a deep-rooted devotion to the motherland.

Credit - ImperialRajputs

u/New_Octopus — 2 months ago

Its a news for me that Rajputs are apparently because Brahmins gave us the permission? Those who ruled needed validation from Random Pooja Path wala Pandas? (This is an avg comment from the Brahmin Sub.)

u/New_Octopus — 2 months ago
▲ 32 r/Kathiyawar+1 crossposts

ગિરનાર પાસે આવેલા સુદર્શન તળાવ નો ૮૦૦ વર્ષનો ઐતિહાસિક અહેવાલ

લગભગ ૮૦૦ વર્ષોના સમયગાળા દરમિયાન ભારતના ત્રણ મહાન સામ્રાજ્યોએ આ તળાવના નિર્માણ, જાળવણી અને સમારકામમાં પોતાનો મહત્વનો ફાળો આપ્યો હતો. શિલાલેખોમાંથી મળતી માહિતી મુજબ આ તળાવનો ઐતિહાસિક ઘટનાક્રમ કંઈક આ પ્રમાણે છે:

મૌર્ય કાળ: ઈ.સ. પૂર્વે ૩૧૯ ની આસપાસ, મૌર્ય સમ્રાટ ચંદ્રગુપ્ત ના વૈશ્ય જાતિના સુબા પુષ્યગુપ્ત એ ગિરનાર ખડક પાસે આ 'સુદર્શન' તળાવનો મૂળ બંધ બાંધ્યો હતો. ત્યારબાદ, સમ્રાટ અશોકના શાસનકાળમાં (ઈ.સ. પૂર્વે ૨૫૦), તેમના 'યવનરાજા' સુબા તુષાસ્પે તેમાં પાણી લઈ જવા માટે નહેરો બનાવીને તેને વધુ સુશોભિત અને ઉપયોગી બનાવ્યું હતું.

ક્ષત્રપ કાળ: મૌર્ય કાળ પછી, મહાક્ષત્રપ રુદ્રદામનના શાસન દરમિયાન (ઈ.સ. ૧૫૦ ની આસપાસ), એક ભયંકર વાવાઝોડાને કારણે આ જૂનો બંધ અચાનક તૂટી ગયો. આ કટોકટીના સમયે રુદ્રદામને આનર્ત અને સુરાષ્ટ્રના રક્ષણ માટે નીમેલા પોતાના પહલવ જાતિના સુબા, કુલૈપના પુત્ર સુવિશાખ ને આદેશ આપીને તે જ જગ્યાએ એક નવો અને મજબૂત બંધ બંધાવ્યો હતો.

ગુપ્ત કાળ: રુદ્રદામને બનાવેલા આ નવા બંધને પણ સમય જતાં નુકસાન થયું. ગુપ્ત સમ્રાટ સ્કંદગુપ્તના શાસનકાળ દરમિયાન (ઈ.સ. ૪૫૬ ની આસપાસ), જ્યારે પર્ણદત્ત સુરાષ્ટ્રનો સુબો હતો, ત્યારે ભારે વરસાદથી પલાશિની, સિકતા અને વિલાશિની નદીઓમાં ભારે પૂર આવ્યું અને આ બંધ ફરીથી તૂટી ગયો. આ સમયે પર્ણદત્તના પુત્ર ચક્રપાલિતે યુદ્ધના ધોરણે માત્ર બે મહિનામાં જ ફરીથી આ બંધનું સમારકામ કરાવ્યું. આ નવો બંધ ૧૦૦ હાથ લાંબો, ૬૮ હાથ પહોળો અને ૭ માણસ (લગભગ ૩૮ ફૂટ) જેટલો ઊંચો બનાવવામાં આવ્યો હતો. ચક્રપાલિતે આ વિશાળ જળાશયની નજીકમાં જ વિષ્ણુ ભગવાનનું એક મંદિર પણ બંધાવ્યું હતું.

u/BaronsofDundee — 3 months ago
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Nitish Rajput Breaks Down the Ram Lala Temple Donation Scam: How Dr. Anil Mishra, Champat Rai, LuvKush Mishra, Anukalp Mishra, Avinash Shukla and Others Executed the Theft. Kudos to Deenanath Verma, Mahipal Singh, Akhilesh Yadav (SP), and Sanjay Singh (AAP) for Exposing the Fraud.

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u/New_Octopus — 3 months ago

Flying to Kathiyawar in the 1930s

Commercial flights connecting Bombay and Kathiyawar were already operating in the 1930s, making the journey in just 90 minutes.

Air Services of India Ltd. was one of the country's early airlines and operated regular services to Kathiyawar before expanding its network to other cities. Rajkot even had its own booking agent, reflecting how the region was already part of India's growing civil aviation network long before independence.

The airline later became part of Indian Airlines in 1953, It's a small but fascinating piece of Kathiyawar's aviation history.

u/New_Octopus — 3 months ago
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Hidden in Kathiyawar Lies One of Gujarat's Oldest Hindu Temples: The Varaha Temple of Kadvar

Just a few kilometres from Somnath, in the village of Kadvar, stands the ancient Varaha Temple, believed to have been built in the 6th century CE. It is considered one of the oldest surviving Hindu temples in Gujarat.

The temple is dedicated to Varaha, the boar avatar of Vishnu, and is known for its unusual rectangular design, something rarely seen in temples of that period. One of its most intriguing features is a sculpture that many scholars believe resembles Buddha, offering a glimpse into a time when different religious traditions coexisted in western India.

Despite the damage and the passage of time, the temple still preserves many of its original carvings and architectural features.

u/New_Octopus — 3 months ago

Did Sikotari Mata's Origins Lie Near the Red Sea?

Sikotari Mata has long been worshipped by the seafaring communities of Saurashtra as the guardian of sailors and fishermen.

Many historians and maritime archaeologists believe her name and tradition are linked to Socotra Island, near the entrance to the Red Sea, which served as an important refuge for Gujarati merchants sailing across the Arabian Sea centuries ago.

Whether viewed as history, tradition, or both, it is a remarkable reminder of Kathiyawar's deep maritime connections with the wider world.

u/New_Octopus — 4 months ago