u/Ok_Umpire1464

Ok so, I've watched a reel about the new Weirdboy that could make a cascading nuclear reaction with the Boyz simply because of its D3 Deadly Demise and I would like to hear you opinion on the matter because I tried to have a conversation with friends of mine that insist that no, it doesn't apply to them also while there's me that says that, as per rules, Deadly Demise is not model specific(like, for example, Deep Strike) but it does simply states that "everytime a model in the unit dies...[transport yes/no stuff in the middle]...you roll a d6 to see if you explode or not" and since the Weirdboy can led 20 boyz and in 11th edition they're not 2 separate unit but 1, then that could lead to said cascade event.

So who's right and who's wrong? I hope that my rumbling was said in a correct way :D

EDIT
Same friends also argue that it's a Core Rule and such rules don't get shared but when I point out other Core Rules such as Deep Strike and Fight First where it's specify that for their activation it is applied model per model and Deadly Demise instead not, they refuse to keep talking and basically ignored me

I've been on Facebook, various sites, Reddit and whatnot and I still have/find different opinions on this because some claim that "specific overrides generic" so the ability works as expected, some claim that no, it doesn't work and some also claim that since Aerialites basically have the same ability and an FAQ about it was asked and the answer was yes, it should work [and yes, some were TO (or at least claimed to be) answered both ways) so I'll finally ask here too to get as many answers as possible so I can then save this post to go back in the future and see it whenever I need to answer someone about its validity:

Does the "Invasion Beam" ability of the Night Scythe work the same way as previously intended, so we can reembark at the end of the Fight Phase(if they're wholly within 6" and not engaged) in the turn they come down from it or not?

Ok so, I wanted to bring this á̷̡̡̗̤̬̬͈̯͋̋̽̊́ṋ̵̯͎͚̫̖̯͗̈́̇͐e̷̮͎̒̊̆͑͐̕͠ͅu̸̢̝̝̤͐̇̋̐r̸̢̢̟̠͙͈̤̱̓̾̇̂̂͊̈́ǐ̵̢̹̞͉̩̏̾͑̓̓͠s̵̪͈̦͇̀̀͒̽m̴̧̹̹̻̬̃̀̃̃͗̕ on the field with a Plasmancer and 6 LD(in the middle of painting them in the same way) inside to pop in unnannounced to ruin something for someone and I came up with this list, any tips to make it better?

Let's show them madness! (1995 points)

Necrons
Cursed Legion and Skyshroud Spearhead (3 Detachment Points)
Purge the Foe
Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

>Attached Unit 1
Plasmancer (70 points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Plasmic lance
• Enhancement: Murdermind

Lokhust Destroyers (170 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 6x Lokhust Destroyer
• 6x Close combat weapon
6x Gauss cannon

>Attached Unit 2
Lokhust Lord (90 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Resurrection Orb
1x Staff of light
• Enhancement: Mark of the Nekrosor

Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (160 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 3x Lokhust Heavy Destroyer
• 3x Close combat weapon
3x Enmitic exterminator

>Attached Unit 3
Overlord with Translocation Shroud (110 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Overlord’s blade
1x Resurrection Orb
• Enhancement: Destroyer Ankh

Lychguard (160 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 10x Lychguard
• 10x Dispersion Shield
10x Hyperphase sword

CHARACTERS

C’tan Shard of the Void Dragon (345 points)
• 1x Canoptek tail blades
1x Spear of the Void Dragon
1x Voltaic storm

Illuminor Szeras (175 points)
• 1x Eldritch Lance
1x Impaling legs

Nekrosor Ammentar (185 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Blade tail and whip coils
1x Enmitic disintegrators
1x Nullstone Field Generator (Aura)
1x Unmaker Gauntlet

OTHER DATASHEETS

Canoptek Wraiths (95 points)
• 3x Canoptek Wraith
• 3x Particle caster
3x Vicious claws

Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (120 points)
• 2x Lokhust Heavy Destroyer
• 2x Close combat weapon
2x Gauss destructor
• Enhancement: Deepening Madness (Upgrade)

Night Scythe (125 points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
1x Twin tesla destructor

Ophydian Destroyers (80 points)
• 3x Ophydian Destroyer
• 3x Ophydian hyperphase weapons
1x Plasmacyte

Triarch Stalker (110 points)
• 1x Heavy gauss cannon array
1x Stalker’s forelimbs

[Ideas]

• Night(with plasma + LD) in reserve along with Void to DP turn 1 with the 1st, and with rapid turn 2 with the 2nd
• Since with Purge there's isn't quite the need to hold home obj I'll put the Ophydian there that from 2nd turn onward will always uppy-downy to go somewhere else or stay home again if there isn't anything to do
• Stalker will roam the field stripping cover or killing stuff if some Destroyer unit manage to weaken to half-strengt, or kill, other units
• The solitaire Wraiths squad will be one of the action monkeys that provide well, actions for missions, obj control(even if they're 3 they're kinda hard to put down) and also a little bit more for screening
• Nekrosor will remain nearby the LHD unit(s) to provide some heavy hitting, in case that unit will go into melee, and some good sus 1 to any other destroyer units nearby
• Lord with Lychguard will provide some cover to other units by getting "early" into melee while being supported behind by other shooting stuff
• Illuminor is kinda meh, it's a good model with it's save but i'm godawful unlucky with him dealing damage to other stuff but i'll keep him because of its great stats and also it will be fun to watch him survive on a obj ;D
• I kinda don't have heavy hitters so i put just a couple, literally, of LHD with Gauss to deal with monsters/vehicles and with the modification to [Heavy] I think they'll work
• Void yes, other dp turn 2 will also be dealing with vehicles and stuff because c'mon, having a god, even a shard of one, by your side is cool :D

I hope I didn't manage to annoy you and I think I(maybe) fully explained the concept that I wanted with the army

(be fair and patience pls ;-; , the last time I played Kitten & the gang was still in 10th, in the comments, with them in it, I'll put all that I currently possess)

Dreaddy & The Banana Bois (1975 points)

Adeptus Custodes
Lions of the Emperor and Might of the Moritoi (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

>Attached Unit 1
Trajann Valoris (135 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Eagle’s Scream
1x Watcher’s Axe

Custodian Wardens (220 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 4x Custodian Warden
• 4x Guardian spear
1x Vexilla

>Attached Unit 2
Shield-Captain in Allarus Terminator Armour (160 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Balistus grenade launcher
1x Castellan axe
• Enhancement: Admonimortis

Allarus Custodians (275 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 5x Allarus Custodian
• 5x Balistus grenade launcher
5x Castellan axe

>Attached Unit 3
Blade Champion (135 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Vaultswords
• Enhancement: Superior Creation

Custodian Wardens (200 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 4x Custodian Warden
• 4x Guardian spear
1x Vexilla

OTHER DATASHEETS

Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought (170 points)
• 1x Achillus dreadspear
2x Lastrum storm bolter
• Enhancement: Auramite Sarcophagus (Upgrade)

Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought (165 points)
• 1x Galatus warblade

Telemon Heavy Dreadnought (250 points)
• 2x Arachnus storm cannon
1x Armoured feet
1x Spiculus bolt launcher
• Enhancement: Interred Expertise (Upgrade)

Vertus Praetors (215 points)
• 3x Vertus Praetor
• 3x Interceptor lance
3x Salvo launcher

Witchseekers (50 points)
• 1x Witchseeker Sister Superior
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Witchseeker flamer
• 3x Witchseeker
• 3x Close combat weapon
3x Witchseeker flamer

[Ideas]

• Achillus in reserve to free rapid turn 2 and if the situation is bad they'll go back again to dp somewhere else
• Vertus also in reserve to fling them towards the heaviest models so monsters/vehicles all the while, if possible, doing actions and/or shooting to chip away
• Witchseeker to "screen" home obj
• Each Warden + Leader unit will go towards a different obj to secure it and eliminate anything(i hope) that might disturb them
• Telemon, while slow, will provide shooting from behind and more screening while doing actions so if anything get in Rapid Fire range well, i think that its 36A 2+ s6 -1 1D with dev and rerolls will make quick work of whatever it shows up nearby
• Achillus will go towards another obj and probably wipe an unit with free dev wound(ability and free crushing impact) before it even fight itself or at least, if it goes against some strong monsters/vehicles, do some sweet damage to then finish it off with its great melee attacks
• The Galatus also has great melee damage so him and Achillus will probably go togheter(since both are vehicles so they don't benefit from Lion's +1 rule) to lay waste to somebody all the while doing some actions if the situation requires it

Kinda want to add something more to my list and my eye caught, on my local shop, a dreddy box for 30k(what weapon/version is better?) and a venatarii box from the same age(can i still play them on 40k or is there a box for 40k?). I opted for Lions + Might but idk what to leave to make space for something else, if you have any suggestion I would like to hear them.

Might of the Lions (1990 points)

Adeptus Custodes
Strike Force (2000 points)
Lions of the Emperor and Might of the Moritoi (3 Detachment Points)
Disruption

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Trajann Valoris (135 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Eagle’s Scream
1x Watcher’s Axe

Custodian Wardens (220 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 4x Custodian Warden
• 4x Guardian spear
1x Vexilla

Attached Unit 2

Shield-Captain in Allarus Terminator Armour (160 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Balistus grenade launcher
1x Castellan axe
• Enhancement: Admonimortis

Allarus Custodians (275 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 5x Allarus Custodian
• 5x Balistus grenade launcher
5x Castellan axe

Attached Unit 3

Blade Champion (110 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Vaultswords

Custodian Wardens (200 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 4x Custodian Warden
• 4x Guardian spear
1x Vexilla

Attached Unit 4

Blade Champion (150 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Vaultswords
• Enhancement: Superior Creation

Custodian Wardens (220 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 4x Custodian Warden
• 4x Guardian spear
1x Vexilla

Attached Unit 5

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike (155 points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Interceptor lance
1x Salvo launcher
• Enhancement: Fierce Conqueror

Vertus Praetors (145 points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 2x Vertus Praetor
• 2x Interceptor lance
2x Salvo launcher

BATTLELINE

Custodian Guard (170 points)
• 4x Custodian Guard
• 4x Guardian spear

OTHER DATASHEETS

Witchseekers (50 points)
• 1x Witchseeker Sister Superior
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Witchseeker flamer
• 3x Witchseeker
• 3x Close combat weapon
3x Witchseeker flamer