u/PassageDecent9936

So let me explain why

The professions of agriculture, environmental care, medicine, scholarship, education and exploration as dumping ground where only "failures" go to be of "petty" use to the Jedi Order when I think it could have been a place where it is to be viewed as worthy/noble callings in their own right, equal to or greater than being a warrior.

humility is seen as a valued trait to have in the Jedi Order Yes? So it would be a good idea to let ALL padawans spend part of their time in the Corps for threefold reasons:

1.) When dealing with certain problematic (prideful) apprentices, it might be wise to let them think they "failed" their trials (even if they really passed) & send them to the Service Corps for a time. If they learned true humility in their time there, they would finally be "passed" and made a true jedi. Their period in the Corps would ultimately have served as the final part of their trials.

2.) spending enough period of time (let's say month or perhaps a year) working with the agricultural corps would allow a padawan to truly learn the amount of work and effort required to keep people fed, and the cycle of life - not just planting seeds to grow fruit and grain, but also caring for animals. Helping a cow (or whatever the SW equivalent of a cow) give birth, caring for the baby, seeing it grow, and eventually assisting with the slaughter, would teach a padawan many valuable lessons. It would teach them to care for another being, it would teach them that death is no easy matter and is sometimes a necessary thing, and it would teach them not to let their attachment to the animal cloud the need to fulfill the animal's purpose. And above all that, growing plants and raising animals to feed the others would help a padawan realize their duty as a Jedi in the great network of all life in the galaxy.

3.) Similar lessons could be learned in other fields of the Jedi service corps, by serving time in each and every one of them as they can, they'd be able to fully comprehend the importance of each one of them, widen their horizons and gain greater wisdom, as well as gain practical skills that will aid them when they become a Knight. Or, if they fail their trials, they will at least have tried out all the other "career" options and have an easier time deciding which one suits them best.

And above all, anytime spent in the Jedi Service corps could have been a crucial way for Jedi to connect with people out in the galaxy in the amount of time as medics, agriculturalists, teachers and explorers among the other non-force sensitives to dispel the stereotype that they are isolated, out-of-touch enforcers of a useless, corrupt senate that politicians only matter to them above everyone in the Galaxy.

What do you think?

I get that the Sith (on paper that is) are all dubiously united in their long game of subversion in the senate, assassinating key targets up the ladder for chancellorship, sowing chaos in the galaxy to start wars, planting seeds of the Darkside on coruscant and ultimately destroy the Jedi to pave the way for the rise of their empire and to become an invincible Darkside god.

But what about the Jedi? what is their vision for the galaxy? (Not the Republic!)

As the supposed peacemakers, are they working towards an everlasting utopia to ensure no more wars, no more tyranny, no more deaths from disease and famine?

Have any Jedi from the year 36, 450 BBY (the founding of the Je'daii Order) to the present day ever laid the groundwork for some grand ultimate purpose to fulfil as servants to their force?

Because someone please tell me why the Jedi were created in the first place?

I get that the Sith (on paper that is) are all dubiously united in their long game of subversion in the senate, assassinating key targets up the ladder for chancellorship, sowing chaos in the galaxy to start wars, planting seeds of the Darkside on coruscant and ultimately destroy the Jedi to pave the way for the rise of their empire and to become an invincible Darkside god.

But what about the Jedi? what is their vision for the galaxy? (Not the Republic!)

As the supposed peacemakers, are they working towards an everlasting utopia to ensure no more wars, no more tyranny, no more deaths from disease and famine?

Have any Jedi from the year 36, 450 BBY (the founding of the Je'daii Order) to the present day ever laid the groundwork for some grand ultimate purpose to fulfil as servants to their force?

Because someone please tell me why the Jedi were created in the first place?

Let's pretend for a moment in an alternate timeline/scenario through the combination of three things:
1.) Anakin was suffering a crisis of conscience where he have felt the "feedback loop" from all of the men, women and children of the tusken clan (old and young) he butchered, feeling their last minutes of agony and fear while guilt eats away at him.
2.) Padme talking Anakin into seeking help from his Jedi peers and answering to someone for the understandable but morally ghastly reasons, for their marriage to work and not built on unresolved skeletons in the closet.
3.) Was visited by the ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn, not to condemn or feel any outrage for what he did, but to coax him into seeking out reconciliation for what he did to the tuskens; acknowledging the grief he had felt where Shmi died in his arms not as a bad thing.

Would the Jedi Council used the "Ulic Protocol" on Anakin to take away his force powers and then imprison him until the end of the clone wars?

Or would they banish him and force Anakin to walk the same path of penance as Meetra Surik once did?

Let me explain why I believe the "throneworld" of the Republic is a perfect first stage for a chaos-led rebellion:

beneath the glittering spires of the senate district, coruscant is a planet-wide city with thousands of subterranean levels. the lowest levels are shrouded in perpetual darkness, devoid of sunlight and packed with billions upon billions of impoverished outcasts, refugees, and criminal cartels.

The Word Bearer (for the sake of this scenario we will refer to him as Heylel), thrives on preying on the forgotten, the desperates and the castouts. in this environment, heylel can easily establish a cult by posing as a messianic figure offering power, a chance for revenge, vast wealth beyond richer than naboo and a chance to take control of one's destiny.

Rebranding Chaos as "True Freedom": Heylel would leverage the deep-seated hatred among the civilians and criminals towards the senators, Jedi and all of the other authority figures of the republic. using them as targets for the reason of their misery, inequity, and exploitation of the working and minority classes by these figures. Heylel would Fram up the Chaos Gods not as monsters, but as liberating deities offering the ultimate union of spiritual equality and brutal revolution. Word Bearers do not just lead riots; they build highly structured, fanatical religious movements that gives a sacred purpose to a population's existing misery.

Heylel would target the lower-level populations - the factory workers, indentured non-human minorities, starving mercenaries, CIS refugees and broken criminals - by completely subverting republic terminology. Heylel would preach the the Jedi and the republic's "light" are tools of economic enslavement, used to keep the lower classes docile while the senate hoards away the galaxy's wealth.

The Primordial Truth: He introduces the chaos gods as the galaxy's raw, unbiased forces of nature. He tell the oppressed that Khorne cares nothing for senate status, only your strength; Tzeentch offers the lower classes the power to overthrow their masters; Slaanesh validates their suppressed desires for luxury; and Nurgle offers survival in the toxic underbelly.

Conversion of Gangs and Cartels into Holy Orders: Coruscant's criminal underbelly is tightly organized by syndicates and mega-gangs. Heylel would not fight them; he'd convert them. Heylel approaches each of the cartel leaders and offers them all dark power (sorcery, warp-infused weaponry, Daemon Engines and superhuman strength through mutation) to completely crush their corporate republic rivals. By using his Demagogue skills, he transforms the criminal greed into religious fanaticism. A street gang is easily mowed down by clone troopers or Jedi; a gang that believes dying in Heylel's name grants eternal life in the warp becomes an unstoppable vanguard of martyrs.

Exploiting anti-xenos and class bigotry: The republic, particularly coruscant, historically favors human elites in the upper spires, while Xenos minorities are pushed into the dangerous, polluted lower levels. Heylel weaponizes this systemic xenophobia. He'd point to the pristine, golden spires of the Jedi temple and the senate district, framing them as monuments built on the backs of exploited Xenos labor. He'd channel the working class's deep-seated desire for revenge, publicly executing kidnapped corrupt senators or captured Jedi would not be seens as acts of terror to the cult, but as a holy, retributive justice for centuries of class exploitation.

Breaking the Jedi's moral resolve: The Jedi Order is sworn to protect the republic, but they are fundamentally ill-equipped to handle a class war fueled by Daemonic power. When Heylel sends tens of millions impoverished, fanatically hateful civilians armed with warp-fueled rage to storm the upper levels. the Jedi would be force to choose between slaughtering the very citizens they are sworn to protect, or letting the republic burn. Heylel would ensure his cults constantly broadcast the hypocrisy of the Jedi - pointing out how the "peacekeepers" live in a massive palace while children starve miles beneath their floorboards. this psychological warfare would shatter the Jedi's willpower, leaving them vulnerable to chaos corruption.

EDIT: But this is only part one, I'll get back to part two on how might word bearer Heylel establish warrior lodges in Coruscant's law enforcement and military garrisons next.

Now hear me out, I already know that destroying the Sith/Dark Jedi cults are non-negotiable but what if instead use the Sith Code as a defensive psychological tool that could have significantly reduced the number of Jedi falling to the Darkside and to prevent them going traitor during the clone wars.

Instead of using the Sith Code as a surest "path to power" but to deconstruct it down to its root and demystify it as cancerous poison to show the Jedi younglings that the Sith is only good for extinction who will mislead, betray and corrupt the Padawans/Younglings without them even knowing it.

if the Jedi were trained to recognize these Sith mantras, they could easily spot the red flags in their own behavior and fellow knights/masters, such as an unhealthy reliance on anger for strength or the pursuit of power to control outcomes.

By actively knowing and studying the dark emotions of lust, envy, hatred, arrogance, fear, spite, and greed in a controlled, academic method; the Jedi could learn to process those exact feelings rather than suppressing them; which weakened them in the long run as the clone wars have gotten worse and worse as casualties escalated.

Exactly what is said on this post; I'd like to know what are the malicious pisstakes, slanders, myths and misconceptions about Mace Windu.

how and why did he received so much venom from the general star wars fandom in the last two decades.

"The chancellor needed weapons that would never obey its own desires before those of the republic. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The wolves of fenris were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of saving mortals in defiance of the Imperial inquisition, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that needed to be won back on the first war of armageddon. We are not the tame, reliable pets that their chancellor and their senate wanted. the Jedi obey, when we would not. The Jedi can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the curse of the wulfen clawing and scratching in the gates of their minds like ours. The Jedi will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves Jedi "Knights". They are tame, collared by the Republic, obeying its every whim. But a knight doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the vlka fenryka, and the executioners for the high lords of terra no longer."

Correct me if I got it wrong or whatever.

Any force user that connects to the living force would gain a heightened sense of what it means to be alive and how living beings think, work and feel.
And the more the Jedi empathetically connect to sentient life the more they become altruistic.

Does that explain why the Jedi (on paper and in theory that is) are unconditionally compassionate and indiscriminately selfless?

Now I don't know of any instance of the Force itself ever communicating to those with or without force sensitivity, but is it truly benevolent to an extent that it is willing to send forth its "angels" from beyond its afterlife to assist those that needs it?

Are Force Ghosts its heralds and speakers when it "works in mysterious ways?"

The first thing to obviously consider is the Jedi will at best face a vicious public outcry of their beloved chancellor's death - even if he was a Sith Lord - it would be view as a military coup performed by a coven of out of control wizards. At worst, the more hardline loyalists of Palpatine like Commander Fox, Mas Amedda, Sly Moore and Sate Pestage will be out for the Jedi's blood and will find new ways to execute order 66. Unless the Jedi are able to find irrefutable proof that Palpatine was behind everything from the Naboo crisis to the current clone wars.

Remaining separatists will likely keep fighting to the bitter end even without dooku and grievous to lead the droid armies and their auxiliares, since Anakin won't be their to wipe out what's left of their leadership and no shutdown order was given.

Just because the current dark lord of the Sith is dead, doesn't mean that the Darkside will instantly cease to exist; there's still the matter of the Grand inquisitor betraying the Jedi Order anyway (with or without Palpatine and Vader) and move forward to put together the Inquisitorius as terrorist organization to take advantage of the power vacuum and the arduous reconstruction of the war, the Knights of ren could still be out there, the Crimson Dawn might still mount a frantic rescue attempt on Darth Maul

And I haven't even mentioned about the Lost tribe of the Sith emerging out of isolation earlier to kick the republic down while its still licking its wounds. There is also Abeloth to consider if that Darkside eldritch abomination sensed the Death of Palpatine and see it as a golden opportunity to strike out of her prison and wreck havoc upon the still divided galaxy.

Also, the Jedi and Republic will be stuck with the dilemma of tens-of-millions of clones who have outlived its purpose and will have no one else left to fight. Aside potentially the said Darksider factions I have just mentioned, but even then the majority will struggle greatly to integrate with the non-clones whether on the frontlines against the new threats or in times of peace among the civilians.
That is of course, if the yuuzhan vong arrived to the galaxy earlier and throw the Galaxy into a whole new war to contend with.

And now that I have thought about, I think this would all make for good storylines to consider writing down for fanfictions to explore these scenarios. But what do you lot think?

If I were feeling confident enough and skilled enough to write a fanfiction of any medium, what might change in the clone wars if Anakin fully admitted his atrocity to all of the Jedi on the high council?

Whether that be a crisis of conscience and guilt eating away at him; padme talking Anakin into seeking help and answering to someone in order for their marriage to ever work; was visited by the ghost of Qui-gon jinn after his numerous nightmares he suffered from the murder of the men, women and children (Both old and young), coaxing him to find reconciliation for his action.
Or a combination of all of the above.

Would they use the Ulic Protocol to take away his force powers and imprison him until the end of the war?

Or would the Jedi simply exile him, forcing anakin to walk the same road as Meetra Surik in penance?

Let's say anyone of you lot have a blank check, you have your own handpicked writers, trusted directors and Pro-Jedi consultants on hand you can count on to create either a Movie or a Tv Series with one central mission in mind: To reconstruct the Jedi ideals, and debunk any pisstake on the Jedi being heartless sociopaths who were the real villains of Star Wars all along.

For starters I would want to see scenes of Jedi openly hugging each other or their friends outside the order in relief that their loved ones made it back from a dangerous mission with no guarantees of safe returns; Jedi laughing good naturedly with the militia around a campfire; shedding tears at a funeral of their dead Jedi Master who gave his or her life at the Star Wars version of khazad-dûm to buy time for their students to escape from the Darkside abomination. All with the valuable lesson taught to them to controlling emotions, conquering impulses, and process the grief they feel to "let them go into the Force" once they have done so.

I like to see Jedi younglings learn humility by play in the same mud, studying in the same classrooms, and working the same community fields to ensure that the next generation of Jedi remains deeply connected to the people they are sword to protect.

Perhaps show what romances of the Jedi being depicted as a emotionally mature contrast to the Sith's parasitic court life. Prove it to be a life-affirming expression of the force as a sacred bone built on radical empathy, mutual stewardship and emotional transparency.

I'd like to see Jedi Lords rule not from ivory towers or distant command citadels. But to live among the people, eat the same food, walk the same mud, listen to community councils, act as public servants, step up as legal arbitrators during disputes among their subjects, stand as protective shields against Sith warbands; earning the genuine, unforced love of their people through humility and sacrifice in stark contrast to the Grimdark misery and servitude to the Sith Warlords ruling over black fortresses.

But these are just to name of few avenues to take on showing to the general audiences of what the Jedi SHOULD'VE been as heroes you can count on to be there for you, to crack down on slavery enforced in the Sith's fiefdoms and spitting in the face of the senate for getting in their way when the real target is the Sith, the Darkside and everyone else daring to bring harm to the innocent and weak.

What are your ideas?

And let me tell you why.

They Jedi will be relentlessly hunted as witches, heathens, false prophets, Xenos, Xeno loving heathens or traitors to humanity (or all the lovely combination of all of the above). Anyone (doesn't matter if they are Psyker or force-sensitive) who wields telekinesis, mind control, precognition and ETC; are not part of the Imperium are, feared as walking bombs or a diner bell to Daemons that will inevitably invite daemon possession (or worse, Daemonic invasions).

Whatever the Jedi have to offer to the Imperials on ways of peace would be immediately decried as blasphemous lies that will lead humanity down to damnation and ruin that they have experience from both the age of strife and other aliens who preached the same desires for coexistent peace among humans.

No matter how often the Imperium alleys with the Xenos in their own galaxy from time-to-time, they will always uphold the strict "suffer not the Xenos to live" policy, on paper that is. Even that hasn't always been the case as the Imperium have left totally benign Xenos alone so long as they don't get in the way of imperial interests or threaten one of their planets.

The Imperium of Man have fought for the last tens of thousands of total war, struggle on for survival in a galaxy that wanted humanity enslaved or dead, and have to contend with cosmic horrors actively feeding off of their emotions, thoughts, actions and even their souls to sustain their immortality as chaos gods.

The Jedi's values of negotiations, compromise, diplomacy, due process and "universal rights" are all despised as weaknesses that can never be reconciled with a Authoritarian Semi-Theocratic Confederation (000.M42 to Present, Age of the Dark Imperium) state.

It is an fascist, xenophobic and deeply religious empire built upon the singular idea of human manifest destiny. Which has been upheld in its own grit, blood, spite, dogged faith and hatred to anyone who stands in their way, as promised by the God-Emperor himself.
Their view of Non-humans (And no, the so called "near-humans" in star wars are not the same as Abhumans, they still kill them anyway even if there is a smattering hint of human blood in their DNA). as monsters, parasites, liars and outright Daemons that have taken everything from their predecessors during the age of strife or have simply turned their backs on mankind in their diremost time of need.
They hail only humans as saviors and heroes because the Imperium believe the Galaxy is their divine, undeniable birthright --Relying on any other species or showing mercy to them threatens humans Destiney to rule the stars as an eternal empire.

(Correction: I meant to spell "The Imperium of Man will never EVER see the Jedi as Heroes! and the only heroes the imperials will hail as their saviors, are humans and humans only!" so, ignore that little mistype in the title.)