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Ari Aster as always said to love Cure by Kyoshi Kurosawa.

Of course I don't talk only about the fact that the actors are both overweight.

Stephen McKinley Henderson has always the same appearance,he i's a character actor.

But obviously the casting is done a bit by a type of looks too.

I should reread the script, because I don't remember if the therapist had an accurate description.

But I mean,even how they talk.a bit How are they dressed,the Dr is a bit difficult to say from the pic,but it's one of the few I found

How they behave and are positioned behind the camera.

Of course they have different intent and function different story wise,but I rewatched Cure recently and I can't stop thinking about it

People leave the killing joke by saying that the message is really "that nothing matters,and people are ticking bombs waiting to let loose after something bad happens"

But No.The point of the story isn't that the Joker is right.

In the killing joke,he shoots,and cripples Barbara Gordon,molests her,takes photos,and forces James Gordon,who in all of this he beaten and kidnapped,

In a Cupido Angel costume and takes him too a joyride that he decorated of a photo he took of the while he was torturing her. And then he kidnaps Gordon, drugs him, beats him, dresses him in a ridiculous outfit, and forces him through a tunnel of fear, decorated with everything he's put on, along with photos he's put up of Barbara. And after he comes out in a dazed state, Joker thinks he's won.

After a while, Batman arrives and saves Gordon, who, despite his state of shock,He is still sane and asks Batman to arrest the Joker the right way. Then Batman goes looking for him and delivers his monologue about how everything is just a joke.

And then Batman confronts him—as you can see, the point of *The Killing Joke* isn't that the Joker is right. The point of *The Killing Joke* is that the whole "one bad day" theory is bullshit. People don't turn into monsters just because something traumatic happens to them. It becomes a personal choice—setting aside mental illness and the like.

Even in the Joker's backstory, which is interspersed throughout the narrative, it isn't "society" that creates the Joker. Society plays little part in his transformation; right from the start, he is an unstable person, already deeply broken by life. He decides to take a risky gamble for his family's well-being, yet his family dies anyway in a tragic domestic accident. But he goes through with the heist—and things go wrong. His accomplices are killed by guards; he runs into Batman—who mistakes him for the Red Hood he’d encountered earlier—and, terrified, he throws himself into the river by the acid plant. (Note: in the original story, he doesn't jump into a vat—that idea came from the Burton movie. He jumps into the river next to the plant, where the waste is discharged; so, while there is a dose of chemicals, it isn't an overwhelming amount. He emerges disfigured, his skin bleached, and upon seeing himself, he loses his mind.) That’s aside from the fact that his account might not even be true. But even if it were, he is a broken person—someone who didn't just suffer for a single day—and he has retreated into an illusion.

Because ultimately, that’s what the Joker is: a massive coping mechanism. He’s someone who acts like a cartoon character in real life. He’s like Bugs Bunny making a fake cigar explode in the hunter's face, leaving his head spinning. The thing is, in reality, it just makes your head explode. That’s why I hate the modern version of the Joker—Heat Ledger Joker is a realistic version of the Joker,that by the way is still ally more funnier compared to alot of people write him now,but should have been treated like another version ,not the standard.

The most The most faithful version of the Joker remains Jack Nicholson's.

especially Scott Snyder’s take,I don't like it.

Because it lacks that aspect.

And Batman points this out to him: they are both people who suffered a major trauma in their lives and found a way to move forward. Bruce did it by becoming Batman and trying to change his reality. The Joker did it by completely hiding behind that persona and acting with zero regard for anything around him.

Alan Moore is a staunch socialist—something I think any fan of his work knows. Without getting into too much detail, one criticism often leveled at communists and socialists is that they absolve the individual of responsibility, blaming society—and its structure—for how people behave. But Moore doesn't subscribe to that view at all, even while acknowledging the role of upbringing and such factors. Moore strongly believes in self-determination and personal responsibility. That’s why I included that panel from *V for Vendetta*; it encapsulates so much of his personal philosophy. And in the end, Batman tells the Joker that he can still be rehabilitated, despite everything that has happened. But the Joker tells him that famous joke, and they both start laughing. It’s meant to show Batman that he cannot save the Joker—because, deep down, the Joker doesn't want to be saved.

That's what a lot of people miss now,they think the Joker is actually right.That he is a character that is supposed to say this psychological and deep truths,

Because the writers want to copy the killing joke.

When the point is that the Killing Joke is that.

Another Joke.

I understand that it's a different planet with a different lighting

But in the show he barely looks Alien,he looks like someone with sunburn,

In the poster his skin looks like is supposed to but actual natural

Good actor too,more in line with Xavier's age 45 years old now

They are are the Five Inversions

The Five Inversions are a terrorist group created by the survivors of the slaughter of the system 666 by the Manhunters.

The Five Inversions bows to destroy the remaining Man Hunters,having revenge on the guardians,and defeat anyone who bows to the guardians

The leader of the group in the comics is Atrocitus.

Before he becomes Atrocitus.

The character of Paul Ben Victor is called Antaan and is described as an alien that speaks vengeance ,he seem to be the leader of this militia

Now since his casting alot of people think he is Atrocitus.

Here his character is with a normal looking dude,but know for a fact he is an alien.

Now in the show we see this armed group shooting at Hal,and warning John on the Manhunters.

That before trying to do something with John using that thing that looks Alien.

Then we see him fighting someone in the truck to escape in the traffic,and that are the scene we see of him running in the traffic.

So they problably try to kidnap him.

He returns to Hal and tells him what they said to him about the Manhunters.

So my theory is that they are the Five Inversions.

The reason we see them as Humans in the trailer is:,Or they have something similiar to the Manhunters to look human, because at least Antaan has one.

Or Antaan has founded a human section of the Five Inversions on earth to help

I think they are problably searching the Manhunters in the population.

And I think the kills they are investigating are in fact done by them,trying to find the Manhunters,hidden within the population

Problably killing innocent people down the line.

Then obviously they don't trust the Lanters,so they try to capture John.

Then Hal goes to confront them

They are are the Five Inversions

The Five Inversions are a terrorist group created by the survivors of the slaughter of the system 666 by the Manhunters.

The Five Inversions bows to destroy the remaining Man Hunters,having revenge on the guardians,and defeat anyone who bows to them.

The leader of the group in the comics is Atrocitus.

Before he becomes Atrocitus.

The character of Paul Ben Victor is called Antaan and is described as an alien that speaks vengeance ,he seem to be the leader of this militia

Now since his casting alot of people think he is Atrocitus.

Here his character is with a normal looking dude,but know for a fact he is an alien.

Now in the show we see this armed group shooting at Hal,and warning John on the Manhunters.

That before trying to do something with John using that thing that looks Alien.

Then we see him fighting someone in the truck to escape in the traffic,and that are the scene we see of him running in the traffic.

So they problably try to kidnap him.

He returns to Hal and tells him what they said to him about the Manhunters.

So my theory is that they are the Five Inversions.

The reason we see them as Humans in the trailer is problably,Or they have something similiar to the Manhunters to look human, because at least Antaan has one.

Or Antaan has founded a human section of the Five Inversions on earth to help

I think they are problably searching the Manhunters by the population.

And I think the kills they are investigating are in fact done by them,trying to find the Manhunters,hidden within the population

Problably killing innocent people down the line.

Then obviously they don't trust the Lanters,so they try to capture John.