Ancient Warriors as powerful as they Frontier versions that appeared in the movie and scale to the hybrid spirits. The Holy Beasts also just the adventure versions who fought Apocalymon and the dark masters.
Soe noticed i missed some feats, so here part 2
Cendrillmon defeated rookie RK Jesmon but Beelzemon pointed that she wasn't specially strong though.
Omegamon Zwart was comparable to Omegamon MM and was used as mode change to beat Ragnamon with authority destruction. Omegamon used Zwart to approach and fight Ragnamon and then purify him with MM, and he had support of Shambala Nezhamon CM and Siriusmon with recreation authority.
Queenbeemon defeated Eosmon who was stated to be more than twice as strong as Tigervespamon and was overpowering BanchoStingmon.
Jougamon defeated Lilithmon-X and Dijiangmon while amped by an eclipse, she was weaker than Lilithmon-X before that, but ye, Lilithmon-X has an anti-feat similar to Deamon-X.
Taotiemon defeated Tactimon and the same event talks about Shambala Erlangmon sealing the 4 perils.
Yihumon defeated Barbamon, resisted Lilithmon seduction and fought memories of RKs.
Dijiangmon was overpowering the rookies RKs Jesmon and Leopardmon and it needed the whole team of Jesmon, Xiangpengmon, Cherubimon, Ophanimon and JetSliphymon. Note that those mons were not the archangels.
Taowumon and Taotiemon defetaed UltimateKhaosmon and an army of chaosmons.
HerculesKabuterimon-X defeated GrandisKuwagamon.
I'm making a review and now i want people rank the anime versions of these villains. Savers Belphemon RM, Tamers Beelzemon and Adventure Apocalymon.
In my lastest post i noticed that people are still unfamiliar with New Century scaling, so i decided to make a compilation of feats from digimon who basically only have feats there.
Goddramon-X was stated to be stronger than 4 olympians combined, defeated Marsmon and clashed equally with Bryweludramon.
Justimon-X made a double K.O with Zeed using Zeed own Time Annihilation.
Sakuyamon-X defeated Murmusmon and later tried to fight Daemon, though she lost.
Plesiomon-X defeated Dorbickmon. A Dorbickmon was shown fighting MirageGaogamon BM and Ancientvolcamon combined despite losing.
Rosemon-X was able of beating Neomyotismon while Rosemon BM wasn't. She also was jumped by Rosemon BM, BanchoLilymon, Lotusmon, HeraclesKabuterimon and Jewelbeemon. Not that she only has feats there, she also appeared in Decode alongside Chaosmon, but i guess this gives her a better scaling.
Houomon-X hold his own against Craniummon and was said to be the top holy bird.
Skullmammothmon-X and Rapidmon-X defeated Cherubimon, both 1v1 in different events.
Beelstarmon-X defeated Beelzemon BM.
Ygg server Nezhamon CM defeated Takutomon WM but was weaker than Huanglongmon and was defeated by SeitenGokuwmon. It's stated that Shambala Nezhamon can beat SeitenGokuwmon though. And Takutomon WM defeated Leviamon who can fight Dijiangmon and Yihumon combined.
Shagaramon and Ryugumon and other ryugu palace guardians defeated Leviamon.
Xiangpengmon defeated Dinotigermon and Ravemon BM individually.
Gracenovamon alongside the OXII sealed Megidramon-X and he defeated Junomon HM.
Proximamon as the reincarnation device defeated two Ragnamons with destruction authority.
I noticed that people here are biased AF. Lucy is fighting Earthbuild alone with the power up not one but TWO Dragon Gods. And the dragon she is fighting is the same who fought Human Igneel and the two Dragon Gods. I bet that if it was Erza for example peple would be saying that she became the strongest female FT character. With MUCH LESS people were wanking the signarios frauds.
Signarios never were stated to be stronger than Serena, just more frightening, and yet people insisted on frightening implication and did not listened to the explanations. Erza speedblizted Luso like a fodder as long as she went bloodlusted and even against Enny she used no enchantment, no special armor, nothing to say that Enny was Misaki level who is God Serena level, and yet people insisted on keeping a freaking implication. And the explanation was simple, just read the literality, frightening don't means stronger, ''but, but, there was a strength context'' ABOUT ISHGAR AND GUILTINA. Serena ranked Ishgar below Guiltina because he thought that gods of ishgar were still the top dogs, even Gajeel corrected him right after saying they were powercreeped. Other thing that people used was a GAG PANEL, God Serena making a gag worried face after Enny threat and the context? She asked DUKE, the guy who resurrected him if she could get rid of him for FAILING HIS MISSION. If Duke said yes he was already doomed, Duke is the one who controls the alchemy dolls including Serena himself, it did not matter if he could beat Enny if the alchemy doll master wanted to get rid of him. There was only TWO panels of non solid implications and people were using it as canon truth. People were calling that who said that a fodder who gets speedblitzed by base Erza weaker than Serena was in cope and denial. Fortunately most of community had to quit on fraudnarios... because of Lucy.
Though i think it's good that people finally came to reality, it already shows people bias, people don't see Lucy as a strong character. In the signarios case it was fair, becase Aquarius Lucy can't be stronger than Kyria or Brandish, heck we even saw her fight against Karameel. But the thing is, now she got the power up of TWO Dragon Gods, is fighting the Calamity Blood with best feats and people are refusing to consider her stronger than Erza and Irene. Gonna mention Irene too not just because Earthbuild scaling would make her outscale Irene, but because signarios were also IMPLIED to be stronger than Irene. This implication signariotards never used this one. Irene is very protected by her fandom, only God Serena was roasted when Wed also implied that signarios were a harder battle than the scarlet despair. And i will be honest, neither Irene nor Serena were ever weaker than fraudnarios, but people are biased only roasted Serena.
And there is even a difference between Earthbuild and signarios. Signarios only got two panels of non solid implications, Earthbuild get several pages of feats of him looking good while fighting Human Igneel, Selene and Mercphobia. Human Igneel only appearance in the series and he couldn't use Earthbuild as a hypetool. At the time i even explained as Igneel being far from his prime in Natsu's body who was very injured and losing conscious, so indeed Igneel was weakened, but even at the time i had to admit that it was odd for Hiro to make Earthbuild look good while fighting Igneel himself. Later he was one shotted by Natsu strongest form which don't mean much by itself, but when you put all pieces together you can't ignore. When Earthbuild returned in his dragon form the SELENE appeared attacking him, then Mercphobia joined her and both were hypetooled by Earthbuild. I saw some saying that Earthbuild did not harmed them, but Selene literally attacked him and he was still just fine, and them he attacked THE TWO DGS TOGETHER and after that they reatret and went inside Lucy, but he did nothing to them guys. Even if you say they are weakened, how do you how weakened? Human Selene was fighting Full Power GS Aldoron right before and it was still a 2v1, how do you know that Lucy is not stronger than Erza and Irene now by fighting Earthbuild ? And don't try to arbitrarily equalize him to Motherglare or Levia because Hiro did not put neither Motherglare nor Levia to look good against Igneel and DGs.
I'm not even denying that you can be correct and that both Lucy and Earthbuild may not be that strong, but you guys are not even trying to give a fair explanation, you just assumed that she isn't based on ''voices in my head''. Maybe the Eargbuild scaling is debunked in the next chapters, just like Lucy debunked signarios scaling against Dragonized Luso, but this didn't happened yet and you already came to vereditc, so at least share how did you came to it, if it wasn't by pure bias, of course. Heck some even try to downplay Lucy current form as a temporary power but it's precisely because of it that she can say F to the status scaling and be stronger than Erza and Irene. I'm demanding effort and dedication to explain Earthbuild scaling similarly to what i did with signarios, because yes it can have an explanation, but GIVE ONE, don't just assumed like a biased stan. Explain why Hiro decided to make Earthbuild look good against Human Igneel and DGs through feats instead of empty statements, explain how the nerf of Merc and Selene is so relevant if Selene fought a full power Aldoron right before and the two still retreated in a 2v1 against Earthbuild. Even if Human Igneel and the DGs were somehow nerfed, they are still top tiers, how do you know that the nerf is enough to put Lucy below Erza and Irene?
I noticed some people have some resistance against New Century scaling. Some try to reduce it as a chinese mobile game that shouldn't be taken into regard when it's a licensed product just like others. Some say it's inconsistent with the lore when it plays homages to other medias and use some DRB stuff in its story events.
Firstly i wanna point that many medias have different scalings to other, and digimon franchise itself is not that consisent as different incarnations of the same mon can have different power levels. Being honest all of them are valid, you just need to specify the incarnation of the digimon, this is not a NC only stuff. Besides many digimon literally only have feats in New Century right now. So we shouldn't use them because some part of the fandom finds it inconsistent with what they think the lore is?
I will give a specific example now: I've seen some people trying to disregard New Century because of how they treat Host Computers, the irony is, the best argument for Host Computers being Ogudomon-X level ironically comes from New Century, not gonna lie. Erlangmon BM merged with the Virtual Space's Host Computer have similar feats to Ogudomon-X by fighting multiple X-RKs and being beaten by a Jesmon-GX. But if this can be explained as field advantage and all other evidences points to HCs not being that strong, then what can i do? Try to disregard everything because it don't fits with my headcanon of Yggdrasil being equal to Ogudomon-X? Because it's just a interpretation and not an accurate one, because Yggdrasil and Ogudomon-X being opposing gods don't means that they are equals. There are many unequal opposing forces in the franchise, and honestly even disregarding the entirety of New Century, the Lucemon FM and Lucemon-X profiles stating that them rival and transcend God is way more consistent than just ''opposing gods''. I never believed in yggdrasil and ogudomon-X equality till New Century's Erlangmon, i always had Lucemon profiles in higher regard. And Time Stranger also has Chronomon being comparable to the HC Homeros and he didn't got Ogudomon-X level feats in his final boss fight.
Other thing i saw people criticize was Gracenovamon being far weaker than Megidramon-X. But look, Digimon Franchise has power level that varies a lot, he can still get stronger in another media, and the thing is, New Century is not even the only place where Gracenovamon is not that strong, in Time Stranger he was an overglorified cheerleader, he did nothing. Maybe NC writers had privileged info and already knew that Gracenovamon wouldn't be that strong in TS and used him as a hypetool for Megidramon-X. And for people who complain about Megidramon-X being that strong, he did nothing that Chronomon couldn't. Heck even Lucemon SM did something similar years before in ReArise. Did you noticed that the criticism i mentioned would also apply to Time Stranger but this same people don't try to invalidate Time Stranger?
I think those critics just don't like New Century because it gives consistency to things they don't like, but reality is that those things already exist in the franchise independently of New Century.
10-Apocalymon: His power level don't seem to vary through medias, so the first digimon anime final boss is in the last place due to the series powercreep. He was defeated by two megas and 6 pefects in the series and by 4 megas before it, in case the 4HBs. But even the likes of Diaboromon are said to be slightly stronger.
9-Malomyotismon: For those who are not convinced that he is stronger than Apocalymon, he was fought later in World 4 and was shown to easily overwhelm SlashAngemon in card illustration.
8-Regulusmon: Being Megidramon level puts him on the level of royal knights and demon lords. He was shown to be stronger Bloomlordmon and should be stronger than Lilithmon.
7-D-Reaper: D-Reaper can be beaten by the Tamers trio Dukemon CM, Sakuyamon and Megagargomon in the manga, Megagargomon had shaggai program but it's similar to how happened in the anime though he was bit stronger there. But the thing is, there are some digimon with similar hax like Abbadomon and Arkadimon. And the Tamers megas were just HB level and only Dukemon CM should be RK level.
6-SeitenGokuwmon: This guy is the one who was benefited the most by the strongest incarnation as in BeatBreak he would be just island level and below anyone in the list. In contrast his New Century incarnation he is above RK level as even his Gokuwmon form was comparable to the 4 perils and he could easily beat Nezhamon CM who scale higher than a Leviamon that can fight 2 perils combined.
5-DarknessBagramon: Even at base Bagramon should be higher than RK level, with DarkKnightmon power up and Ballefire Eyes hax and Dark Stone i would scale him above D-Reaper, though he don't have feats to be higher on this list.
4-Abbadomon: The only other besides SeitenGokuwmon that got benefited by the strongest incarnation. In New Century one Abbadomon was compared to Lucemon and other was fought by Beelzemon BM, Seraphimon and MedievalDukemon using Zephalgamon sword which had authority within Witchelny.
3-Quartzmon: Stronger than multiple anime protagonists combined, though Susanoomon should have been weaker as only Takuya was physically there and he should be weaker than the likes of X-Evolution Alphamon.
2-Yggdrasil: The host computer that controls the most famous servers, she is stronger than Taiga's Digimaru in Decode as he needs support to beat her, should be stronger than Examon and other characters outside of Aiba and ME in Cyber Sleuth
1-Lucemon SM: Beyond fighting the strongest digimon at the time, he fought the entire RK team in ReArise and was the final boss of Decode even with Yggdrasil there. His Lucemo FM states that he already rivals God which should mean Yggdrasil.
Being honest, since host computers concept was created, they have been overwhelmed by someone else. I won't talk much about Overlord Gaia as i don't think people can say for sure how strong it was, though it was ultimately defeated by the protagonist. But ENIAC and ABC also weren't powerhouses. They were preventing Zeed from conquering the multiverse by their combined efforts, but Zeed wasn't even Omegamon level back then.
Yggdrasil first appearance was just as an orb that got damaged by Alphamon Ouryuken and then destroyed and restarted by Omegamon-X. You could say that precisely because it was an immovable object it wasn't so powerful. But then we see Yggdrasil finally fighting at Savers and being defeated by Agumon BM and Marcos Damon, and it wasn't just that time, in Next it was defeated by Victorygreymon too while merged with Barbamon. Though one could say that Yggdrasil was just using avatars and that Victorygreymon was specially made to beat her. But the thing is, who defined that Yggdrasil avatars are weaker? They are actually interfaces for Yggdrasil to interact with the world instead of pure avatars to be honest. Well, when there are multiple avatars like in Decode and Cyber Sleuth you could say that the avatars are weaker than True Ygg, but who is to say that Ygg's strongest terminal in Decode is not Ygg using her raw power's peak? Who is to say that the Yggdrasil who was defeated by Victorygreymon and Agumon BM wasn't already at full power as the setting didn't even stablished multiple avatars for example?
Nowdays the real difference between true Yggdrasil and her terminals is the Immortal Program that gives Ygg immunity against digimons. This Immortal Program was stablished in Chronicle-X with Ogudomon-X, and it says that they are opposing forces. But opposing forces aren't necessarily equals. Besides Chronicle-X even calls Yggdrasil a God, in a context where Lucemon-X profile was claiming that he had transcended God which supports his FM profile. But let's overlook Lucemon-X and Lucemon FM profile and equalize Ygg to Ogudomon-X, as even in New Century Erlangmon BM merged with Virtual Space Host Computer supports this as he fought multiple X-RKs just like Ogudomon-X.
The first problem with the Immortal Program came with Time Stranger which stablishes a similar immunity to Chronomon after he got Akashic Records, he was immune to other digimons, but only the ones from his server, besides he was already comparable to Homeros before getting Akashic Records. And the other crack to Host Computers being Ogudomon-X level was already in New Century with Iliad again, Megidramon-X was portrayed as a threat to the entire Iliad including Homeros, and guess what... Megidramon-X wasn't from Iliad server, he could bypass Homeros immunity following this logic.
Then Omegamon Zwart and Proximamon events came, Ragnamon was portrayed as a threat to Kunlun just because it had destruction authority, Proximamon could beat two Ragnamons combined. Due to them my doubts about host computers power just got stronger. I mean, even if you say that they had authorities, KUNLUN ALSO HAS. The authority just equalized the game and allowed Ragnamon to bypass Kunlun immunity.
I always had the impression that Lucemon FM should rival Yggdrasil power, the problem was Erlangmon BM feat, but Chronomon fight stablishing immunities already helped for an explanation for that. Though Erlangmon had a different explanation, it also had one. In Virtual Space Erlangmon BM had infinite regen, but thinking about it, it was just battlefield advantage. It didn't mattered how strong the opponent was nor how many opponents he had, if they didn't pull a Freeza and destroy the Virtual Space, it would be meaningless. And the final blow against Erlangmon came with a recheck. The virtual space thing was in Jesmon GX event, but in Erlangmon BM own event, he actually also got host computer powers, he was said to have become some kind of replacement for Yggdrasil, and he still struggled with Lucemon FM. Lucemon FM was buffed with 4 perils, but my point is that he didn't even evolved and my whole point is that Host Computers shouldn't be much stronger than Lucemon FM in raw power. There is also a New Century statement about RKs not being able to beat Yggdrasil because Yggdrasil controls the laws of the world as said by Seitengokuwmon in Proximamon event, so it should end my case.
''Although the Royal Knights are powerful, under the bottom layer rules set by Yggdrasil, they cannot defeat the ''god'' responsible for ruling the world''
Here a confirmation from SeitenGokuwmon that Host Computers relies on the laws of the server hax, instead of raw power. Without those rules, the royal knights should be able to beat Yggdrasil.
I think that Host Computers are just Lucemon FM level, but they have immunity against digimons from same server and even have battlefield advantage by controlling the laws of said server, without those advantages, top tiers can beat them. And what's the whole point for Yggdrasil being Ogudomon-X actually? Because they were said to be opposing forces? Just like Regulusmon and Canonweissmon? Just like AncientSphinxmon whose human spirit already rivals Ancientgarurumon mighty? And Chronomon who was compared to Homeros even before Akashic Records, it's just a coincidence that his feats are similar to Megidramon-X? It's just a coincidence that his feats are also comparable to Lucemon SM in ReArise? It's also just a coincidence that Lucemon SM was the final boss of Decode and that beating him finishes the game plot for good while Yggdrasil can be fought earlier? It's just a coincidence that this same Lucemon SM is an evolved form of a guy stated to rival God? We live in a world full of coincidences, you convinced me.
Rules: Let's restric the Beelzemon BM with a tamer partner from New Century, because the partner made him specially strong. And use Shambala Nezhamon.
From those who are not aware of Nezhamon CM, he was stated to be stronger than SeitenGokuwmon and helped Omegamon MM to fight a Ragnamon with destruction authority alongisde Siriusmon with creation authority. Other Beelzemon BMs in NC also defeated Abbadomon with the help of MedievalDukemon with Zephagamon's sword and Seraphimon, take into account that an Abbadomon was compared to Lucemon in NC. He also fought Beelstarmon-X equally though he lose, and in ReArise he should be comparable to Dukemon CM as both teamed up to fight Gulfmon.
Now that you have their feats, who would win?
NC version of SeitenGokuwmon vs Xros Wars DarknessBagramon. For those who don't know, NC SeitenGokuwmon was the digimon who defeated Nezhamona and Shagaramon, and shocked both Erlangmon BM and Lucemon FM in the Shagaramon event. He also revealed that he was the responsible for Yggdrasil's death in Proximamon event, as he absorbed the 4 perils and made Yggdrasil absorb to contaminate her data from inside. Though there are also comments about SeitenGokuwmon being weaker than Shambala Nezhamon CM without the 4 perils absorption.
Round 1: Both with their standard powers.
Round 2: SeitenGokuwmon with 4 perils absorbed vs DarknessBagramon with Code Crown.
I made a misotheist version of the lyrics of the song The Plagues from Prince of Egypt and wanted to share the lyrics with you guys. The idea was replace Moses by a misotheist and Ramses by God, you know, it's good to invert a music that used to praise the lord to curse him instead. To get a better experience i recommend hearing with this instrumental, note that actual lyric start at 0:45. If you guys enjoyed the concept give this post a like and you can also ask for another music for me to make a misotheist version of it.
[Misotheist]
Once I called you Father
Once I knelt in worship at your knee.
This is not what i wanted to see
[Choir]
I curse your name, I curse the sky
I will tear your glory down!
[Misotheist]
And even now I wish that God had chose another
To be left abandoned in agony
Is this what your love was meant to be?
[Choir]
I’ll destroy your holy light
I strike your throne, i steal your crown
[Misotheist]
This is my vow
All the pain and devastation you made us suffer through!
In my wrath I'm gonna challenge all you claim to do!
[Choir]
I send a curse upon your sacred halls
I send a fire where your mercy falls
I send the shadow, I send the dread
Into your temples, upon your head
I send my scourge, i send your tomb
Thus said your doom
[Misotheist]
You who i called father
I swear for all the ruin you do
I send my scourge, i send your tomb [Choir]
I will never yield to you
[Choir]
Thus said your doom
Thus said your doom [Misotheist]
[God]
You who dare to threaten me
How could you have come to hate me so ?
You know who you are talking to
[Choir]
I send the plague, I send the blight!
[God]
Then let me be clear to you
I will not bow to a fragile soul
The universe is my to control
I will never yield to you!
[Choir]
Thus said your doom
Thus said your doom
[Misotheist and God]
I will never yield to you
Yes i know, this is really a hot take as many consider ME the strongest digimon character, at least before Homeostasis retcon. But most of the arguments in favor of ME comes from dimensional scaling, and honestly i already see enough of lower dimensional characters beating higher dimensional entities in comics, games and anime, actually ME was one of these cases lmao.
ME fought a team with Cyber Sleuth versions of Alphamon, Omegamon, Yuuko's Gaiomon, Arata's Diaboromon, Yuugo and Aiba's digimon's trio. From this team the most special ones are Yuugo as he worked as counter to ME, and Aiba's trio which is able of beating even the likes of Lucemon SM. So ye, ME scales solidly above Lucemon SM, but Ogudomon-X also does. Besides most of the team members must be below Yggdrasil terminals as they were just a support against them.
Some may say, but ME transcends Yggdrasil while Ogudomon-X was portrayed as an opposing force to Yggdrasil which equalizes. The problem is that, being opposing forces don't equalize anyone. Gamamon's dark counterparts always exceed the light counterparts in power by much. AncientSphinxomon the darkness warrior mere human spirit already rivals with all the mighty of Magnagarurumon's mighty, despite him being the light warrior. Besides Lucemon-X is literally stated to transcend God which in Chronicle-X context means Yggdrasil. So even to be stronger than Lucemon-X ME needs Aiba's feat of beating Lucemon SM.
Imagino que esse post vai receber alguns downvotes pela natureza da pergunta e do OP. Sou um misoteísta, ex-espirita, e Deus tem esfregado a causa primária do meu misoteísmo na minha cara com certa frequência. Como misoteísta eu poderia só chegar a conclusão fácil d q Deus só quer me torturar, mas sou questionador demais até pra isso. Existem detalhes específicos nisso q me fazem ter uma duvida genuína, tipo, se era pra ser só uma tortura ela tem perdido a eficácia justamente por isso já ter ocorrido outras vezes, e sinceramente havia outro fracasso q ele poderia esfregar na minha cara a qual considero de igual importância, mas ele insiste nesse, e isso realmente me gera duvida.
Não creio q vcs vão sanar minhas duvidas, mas estou curioso pra saber q tipo d respostas vcs teriam. E levem em consideração q Deus sabe muito bem q eu virei misoteísta por causa disso.
This is an update in my previous list and the first time i'm posting a tier list in this sub specifically.
The digimons were ranked using either their strongest incarnations or their most popular ones.
Holy Beast i i'm using their Tamers incarnations instead of their strongests incarnations. They are a tier below archangels because the cardgame lore talks portrays them to be below Cherubimon, in D-Project it was needed the 4HB to seal him, and in Tamers they aren't much stronger than the Tamers megas, so if the X-form of the likes of Justimon and Sakuyamon are just archangel level, them it was another reason to put them a tier below archangels. But their strongest incarnations from ReArise would be RK level.
Some digimon's previous forms were ranked above its evolutions because of the version of this previous form having better feats and scaling. For example, the illegals Rizegreymon and Machgaogamon from Next are stronger than Savers Shinegreymon and Miragegaogamon as they fought Barbamon top commanders. Dorugreymon feats in Decode outclasses any Dorugoramon feats.
Want to note some changes from my previous list, thanks to New Century. It seems that they retconned the 4 ferils into just RK level digimon alongside Erlangmon and most likely Shakamon too. Huanglongmon received a huge upscale in New Century as Alphamon suggested that he could be around Examon-X level as a possible bait for Dexmon, though the Lucemon SM equality is still just a myth. Abbadomon also got an upscale in NC
In summary every digimon or digital lifeform has a justification for its placement, you can ask about any placement doubt.