Thoughts on the late 2000s generation era of Nicktoons?

Thoughts on the late 2000s generation era of Nicktoons?

Being that the late 2000s were a transitional time for the Nicktoons as they started to get more short-lived post-2006 (likely due to Cyma Zarghami coming in at that time) in favor of more SpongeBob (not an insult to that show, only saying others shouldn't have been sacrificed for the sponge), what are your thoughts on the late 2000s era for the Nicktoons?

I threw in TUFF Puppy and Planet Sheen also since they were technically the last Nicktoons greenlit before the logo change (both greenlit in June 2009, before the logo change in September of that year).

Notably, this era is where the Nicktoons got screwed over faster and more frequently (compared to before where it'd usually take longer for shows to be screwed over), with TUFF Puppy and The Penguins of Madagascar being the only shows in this batch to get more than 2 seasons (but TUFF Puppy also got the most episodes burnt off there with 28 out of 60 half hours on Nicktoons Network) and Rugrats Pre-School Daze being the only one not sent to Nicktoons Network to die at any point (though getting burnt off at 6 AM unadvertised isn't exactly better). Reception for the shows in this batch back in the day also ranged from mixed to outright negative, but time's passed since then.

u/SpongeGuy11 — 14 hours ago

Community's non-official Cartoon Network originals tier list (Take 2): Day 1 - The Moxy Show

It's no secret that my first attempt at this didn't work out so well, not helped with not having enough history on Reddit to gain the momentum and the posts getting taken down by the mods on this subreddit, forcing me to use the less known r/cartoons with less traffic. However, it's been 10 months and I feel I can try again this time and see if this works.

Inspired by u/No-Shoulder3918 's community tier list for Nicktoons, thought I'd take a shot with Cartoon Network originals, especially in light of what's been going on recently for the channel.

Rules:

  1. Most upvoted comment decides the show's spot on the list. Please think carefully and fairly before you comment. Try not to let nostalgia or recency bias cloud your judgement.
  2. Each tier goes as follows: S= AmazingA= GreatB= GoodC= Okay/MehD= MediocreE= Bad and F= Terrible.
  3. Only originals recognized by this wiki are counted. Meaning no Canadian imports like Total Drama and Johnny Test or WBA shows like Teen Titans Go, Tom & Jerry, Scooby Doo, and Looney Tunes will be in this.
u/SpongeGuy11 — 15 hours ago
▲ 83 r/AmericanDragon+1 crossposts

What would happen if the Huntsman and Huntsclan met fellow magic creature hater Emperor Belos? How well would they get along?

u/SpongeGuy11 — 5 days ago

Anyone's thoughts on Squirrely Puffs? Considering it was the last time Chester and AJ were consistently relevant (they got some speaking roles until early season 9, but it was more sporadic than before and only showing up in 1-2 scenes rather than being major characters).

u/SpongeGuy11 — 1 month ago

Considering how many people bring up Mordecai and Skips killing Rigby, let's not forget Muscle Man also has a body count now (and it isn't even reversed like Mordecai and Skips' cases).

u/SpongeGuy11 — 1 month ago

Do you think Bubblegum and Marceline ever thought of getting married at some point?

Considering they are immortal and how long they were together (for about a decade by the time of Fionna & Cake), do you all think Bubblegum and Marceline ever thought of getting married?

u/SpongeGuy11 — 1 month ago

Do you think Vlad started to regret his actions in The Ultimate Enemy (after Jack and Maddie died) before Dark Danny was created or was it only after losing his ghost powers?

We know in the Dark Danny timeline, Vlad did genuinely reform and feel remorseful for his antagonistic actions. But did that start happening before or after Dark Danny's birth?

Notably with Jack and Maddie being dead in the timeline, Vlad's motivations are pretty much rendered pointless (the man he's tried to get rid of his dead and the woman he's in love with his dead) so it isn't as if he had much of an antagonistic goal to have after Jack and Maddie died so it is up there if he genuinely did feel sympathy for even Jack dying for real in that timeline before Dark Danny was formed.

u/SpongeGuy11 — 1 month ago

Fandom Challenge: How would you have fixed Timmy's Secret Wish (aka the show's tenth anniversary special)?

Being considered a pretty weak tenth anniversary special, the worst received of the animated TV movies, and one of the episodes that signaling how bad the decline was getting, how would you all have improved this tenth anniversary special?

u/SpongeGuy11 — 2 months ago

Looking back at season 6, it does feel pretty different from the rest of the revival era of the show.

With these things I'd mention:

  • Mr. Crocker and Timmy's dad don't get shoehorned in every episode, with Crocker especially only really being the main villain in Cheese and Crockers, involved in team ups in For Emergencies Only, Dread and Breakfast, and Wishology, and only a supporting role in other appearences (usually in his crazy teacher role), not too far from how often seasons 4-5 use him.
  • Vicky's still a relevant villain at this point, being in main antagonist roles in Open Wide and Say Aaahh and Vicky Gets Fired, supporting role in Wishology, The End of the Universe-ity, Merry Wishmas, and King Chang, a robot likeness of her in Wishing Well, and minor ones in Odd Pirates, Dread and Breakfast, and Birthday Bashed, not far from how season 5 does with her. Probably the last season she was genuinely a consistently relevant character, only being in 2-3 episodes a season in seasons 7-10.
  • The other non-Crocker school characters like Chester, AJ, Francis, Trixie, Tootie, Tad & Chad, Sanjay, and Elmer are still relevant at this point rather than being background fodder by the end of season 7. Same for the likes of Anti-Cosmo & Anti-Wanda and the Pixies still being there at this point. Also the last season for Mama Cosma, Chip Skylark, Brittney Brittney, and Adam West voicing Catman (Jeff Bennett takes over after this).
  • Dark Laser's surprisingly at his most prominent this season, lumped with Vicky and Crocker as Timmy's biggest enemies this season (outside this season, he's only in two more individual episodes in seasons 7-8 and then exclusively with the LOSERS in season 10).
  • Unlike later new characters, Poof doesn't take up that much attention with the "wish of the week" format still intact, with an argument that he occasionally blends a little too much into the background at times.
  • Tried to still follow the continuity of seasons 1-5, even following up on some plot points such as the Mark Chang vs Mandie plot. Birthday Bashed is probably the closest continuity error this season with Crocker in the video being shown to have different fairies, but that might have been for the purpose of making the video.
  • The "Cosmo and Wanda lose their wands" gag isn't as prominent as season 7 onward.

Does anyone think the different vibe season 6 has from the other post-original run seasons could stem from the different writers?

For context, the writing team for season 6 was Butch Hartman himself, Kevin Sullivan (there since season 5), and Scott Fellows (joined since season 3 and promoted to story editor with Steve Marmel and Jack Thomas gone for other projects). Season 7 lost Scott Fellows and brought in a new wave of writers like Ray DeLaurentis (who became story editor for the remainder of the show), Will Schriffin, Ed Valentine, and Joanna Lewis with season 9 adding more like Kristine Songco, Kevin Arrieta, Sindy Spackman, Alec Schwimmer, Ellen Byron & Lissa Kapstrom, and Becky Wangberg, with only Butch Hartman (though he stopped writing after season 8) and Kevin Sullivan from the original run remaining (Dave Thomas briefly returned to writing one more time in season 8 though).

Season 6 in a sense having more of the original run writers and a different story editor than the rest of the revival era probably contributes to why it feels closer to seasons 1-5 than to seasons 7-10.

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u/SpongeGuy11 — 2 months ago

Given how 1000th Chopper Flight Party did have Mordecai and Margaret finally being able to hang out as friends without romantic drama anymore and CJ being cool with Margaret at the start of the episode because of the events of I See Turtles, what would've happened if CJ hadn't shown up to the party or hadn't snapped so harshly at seeing Mordecai and Margaret hanging out and assuming Margaret was trying to steal Mordecai from her?

Notably it is because of that Margaret ended up lying about having a boyfriend, leading into the events of Not So Great Double Date where things get more awkward after CJ finds out Margaret lied about that and still has feelings for Mordecai and then in turn leading them to be in more awkward terms by Dumped at the Altar, which does push Mordecai into the infamous speech at the wedding that led him to get dumped by CJ (not defending what Mordecai did, just bringing up the build up that led to Mordecai getting to that point at all even if doing it at Muscle Man's wedding was pretty bad).

But if CJ hadn't shown up to the party or at least had been a lot more calm instead of attacking Mordecai and Margaret in the episode, would things be better between CJ and Mordecai & Margaret? Would CJ and Mordecai have never broken up or would something else have happened?

u/SpongeGuy11 — 2 months ago