The Mengwu Shiwei were not Mongols after all…

When people describe the early mongols, they usually refer back to an obscure tribe of people called the Mengwu Shiwei (identified in the old book of Tang). These people are labaled as the direct ancestors of the Mongols based only on phonetic match between Mengwu and Mongol.

However, if you look at the Chinese description of their geographic location, material culture, and lifestyle they resemble Tungusic hunter gatherers more than ancient Mongols.

In the book of Sui the Shiwei are described as not horse-riding, but forest hunter gatherers. The book of sui says that the shiwei wore hide clothing made from fish skins and wore wooden skis across the ice. They wove bark to make boats, and tied ropes to dogs to pull their sleds. Furthermore, they lacked horses and sheep.

In the book of Jiu Tangshu, the Mengwu Shiwei, are located south of the wanjian river on the edges of the Mohe (tungusic) border on the Amur river basin.

Because of these descriptions some wild wild ideas have been circulating about the Mongol origins, however things become much clearer when we look at the inhabitants of the Amur river basin.

In the 19th century Russian ethnographers first studied the lower Amur River, and they found a culture that exactly matches the material culture from the book of Sui and the descriptions point-for-point of the Shiwei. These people were not the Mongols, but the Ulch and Nanai People.

When the ethnographers interacted with these people, who later became the Ulch, they introduced themselves as the Mangun people.

In their language:

Mangu-name of the Amur River (ma- meaning big and gu- meaning river)

N-possessive case ending (agglutinative structure of the language)

In the Ulch language Mangun meant the people who live on the Amur river, and that is what they called themselves prior to Russian colonization. (Reisen und Forschungen im Amur-Lande, 1881)

Essentially, it is very evident that the Mnegwu Shiwei of the Tang records were not Mongols or ancestral Mongols. However, they were the Tungusic people living along the Amur river system.

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u/bad_metrics — 12 days ago

Just realized that Mongolian has almost no homonyms

I can only think of хар

I’m not counting words like сум or толгой because the meanings are related (figurative/literal)

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u/bad_metrics — 13 days ago
▲ 36 r/SteppePosting+1 crossposts

Earliest attestation of the name Mongol, from 468 CE. The Rourans were likely named Monguya!

The Chinese recorded the rouran attacking the khoita people in 468 CE, and the khoita people recorded the attack and the rourans as the Monguya

Super interesting read!

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u/bad_metrics — 13 days ago

Graduated with cum laude, but American gpa conversion is 3.1 😭

I finished my masters in Europe, where the grading scale is very different. At my university, in Switzerland, only one or two students a semester would get a 6/6 or a perfect score that they consider to be an American equivalent to an A. I had decent grades and graduated cum laude and in order to apply to jobs back in the states, I had my transcript accredited through a third party agency. I got my results back and it was converted to a 3.1. I’m in absolute shock, I’ve never had a gpa that low in my entire life.

My Swiss grades qualify me to apply to phds in Switzerland, but the gpa conversion paints me out to be an almost failing barely graduating masters student because in the US you need a 3 to be in good academic standing in graduate programs, completely forgetting about distinctions.

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u/bad_metrics — 19 days ago
▲ 17 r/Vans

Do the premium authentic run big?

I just received a pair of premium authentic that I ordered last week. Ordered them in a men’s 10 which is the size I wear my sneakers in and they are giant almost like clown shoes. I just reordered the 9.5 hoping they’ll fit.

Also is it me or do you feel like they aren’t making vans in fun colors like they used to? My favorite pair was a pair of blue suede authentic Cush pops I got at nordstrom a few years back and I can’t find any like them anymore :-(

u/bad_metrics — 19 days ago

Standing at fair and worried I’ll have my account deactivated

So I received a ding 2 weeks ago about 20 incomplete deliveries, in a single day, which I don’t understand at all. I just ignored it and worked my account back up from at risk to fair. This morning I missed a block for the first time. Because I’m already at fair I’m scared that I’ll be deactivated. What should I do?

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u/bad_metrics — 19 days ago

Is a Bernese right for me?

I’ve been researching different breeds, and Ive been really interested in the Bernese Mountain Dog. I’d really appreciate some advice from people.

A little about me: I’m a single guy who spends a lot of time on my own. I’d like to get outdoors more and do things like hiking, camping, and exploring, but I sometimes feel uneasy going alone. I’m not looking for a guard dog or a protection dog. In fact, I would be very uncomfortable owning a dog that was aggressive at all.

What I’m really looking for is a dog that makes me feel a little more confident and less alone when I’m out. I imagine there’s a difference between a dog that makes you feel safer because it’s a large, and a dog that’s bred to protect, and I’m looking for the former.

The issue is that I’m a little scared of big dogs, even though I briefly shared one with an ex, but it was a medium sized dog. I got over my fears of it pretty quickly, and I’m assuming that getting a Bernese, I would get over that quickly too.

Is a Bernese ok for me? Should I look for something else?

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u/bad_metrics — 19 days ago

Foreign degree evaluation won’t be ready before application deadline

I recently graduated with a master’s degree from a university in Europe. I’m applying for a federal position where I’m using this degree to meet the education requirement. The degree is directly related to the position, so I’m absolutely sure that it qualifies and meets the subject credit requirements.

I paid for a foreign credential evaluation, but the evaluation company requires my university to send my documents directly to them. Unfortunately, my university is closed for summer holiday until August 7, so they won’t be able to send anything before the application deadline. That means there’s no way I’ll have the completed credential evaluation in time.

I’ve already spent days working on this application, and I’m worried that my application would get thrown out because my transcript uses ECTS and isn’t American, it is available French and English tho.

Does anyone know what I should do?

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u/bad_metrics — 25 days ago

I wanna run away

I want to just run so so far away. I guess at my age it’s not really considered running away lol, sorta just leaving.

It’s really hard to think that in this great big world there may not be a space for me. I never really fit in, as long as I can remember I was the weird kid.

But now I’m just so tired, graduated last month, not really looking at jobs cause I keep hearing bad news about the job market. Just finally trying to catch my breath, but for past few weeks i can’t stop thinking about disappearing. I don’t know why but I’ve become obsessed with Alaska, maybe go up there get sa trade job, let my freshly printed graduate diploma gather dust and completely abandon my old life.

Finally get some peace, to be so far away, take a nap, finally catch my breath.

Listening to repeat by young the giant

u/bad_metrics — 27 days ago

American considering work travel

Heya all!

I’m an American recent grad unemployed, considering using this time to see more of the world.

I saw that Americans can get a working holiday visa to Australia and New Zealand, and I am considering New Zealand way more. I grew up in Hawaii in an area with a lot of immigrants from the pacific islands and would always hear about Aotearoa, and I’m somewhat familiar with pacific island cultures.

Does anyone here have experience doing working holiday in NZ? Any advice for someone considering? I heard that there is an annual quota and I’m worried that I wouldn’t even get the visa if I applied.

Edit: sorry it’s called working holiday visa not work travel.

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u/bad_metrics — 28 days ago
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Can I ask to opt out? [VA]

I just want to know whether it’s ok to ask to apply to jobs without using those automated systems?

Is it possible to apply to a job and have someone actually review my CV and cover letter? I will mail them my application if I have to.

I also think that it is messed up that on those automated job applications, you are required to enter your graduation dates for your education, when we are allowed to remove those on our CV due to age discrimination. Don’t get me wrong. I am a recent graduate, but it makes me really uncomfortable.

I just don’t think we are at a point where we can solve the issues that AI and automation is creating in the hiring process, so I don’t want to participate in it.

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago

What should I do?

I recently followed up on a job application that I had submitted four weeks ago, and their response was that they do not sponsor employment visas. I am a citizen, I’m not sure if I should be jumping to conclusions, but this is really humiliating. Now I’m starting to wonder if this is happening to all of my job applications.

I spent the weekend just trying to wrap my head around this.

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago

Modern causal inference techniques

Is it me or does modern causal inference research seem to be headed more in the direction of information theory and geometry?

Especially with data science methods being more heavily incorporated, causal inference seems to resemble physics more than old school econometrics…

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago

Did you know that the Mongolian word for Book share the same root as the English words Economy and Astronomy

The Mongolian word ном (book) comes from old ughur nom (Buddhist scripture), which comes from sogdian nwm (religious law), which comes from Greek nomos (law or custom).

Eco-nomy and astro-nomy

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago

Chinese particles borrowed into Mongolian

There seems to be a few grammatical features that Mongolian borrowed from Chinese for ex.

The Chinese pejorative particle (zi-Chinese) as (nts-Mongolian)

Чавганц, чалчинц

We even created stacked particles on top of them to incorporate it into our language

Уйланцар, чалчанхай

These are all words appearing during the Manchu-Qing period

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago

If you don’t believe in evolution/adaptation how do you explain different races of humans?

Question in title

Especially from an Adam and Eve angle if the world was created 6000 years ago, how did we develop to be so different?

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago

What to do about a toxic friend?

I’m looking for some advice on energy protection. I’ve recently realized that a close friend of mine is highly toxic. She is a highly jealous person and is jealous of all of our friends from school, and she is never genuinely happy for anyone and loves hearing only about other people’s failures. She even seems pleased when things go wrong for me. When good things happen for me her reactions are obviously uncomfortably fake.

I’m trying to set boundaries and phase her out, but I've noticed a really draining and honestly creepy pattern: whenever I don't pick up her phone calls or try to distance myself, I get hit with immediate bad luck. Something bad happens to me within hours of not picking up her calls, and she calls me everyday multiple times in a row if I don’t pick up.

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago

Looking for real world datasets for thesis

I’m looking for a dataset for developing a SIR/SEIR model 😭

I don’t know why I decided to do health econ for my thesis but it was the econ class I got a highest grade in and I thought why not.

I remember we looked at transmission models like simulations to look at vaccine cost-benefit analysis. I thought this would be a really cool thesis topic if I could find a large real world dataset. I have to present a thesis proposal to a prof in a month, but they expect us to know what our data and research question will be. Can anyone please help direct me to a dataset I could use please. Maybe if I could combine multiple data sources that would be good, but whenever I look for something workable it directs me to weird kaggle datasets that are overworked by vibe coders 🫠

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u/bad_metrics — 1 month ago