eu to perguntando isso porque eu ja vi muitos brasileiros dizendo "tu é", "tu vai", "tu come", na Tv, no youtube, na internet, mas eu achava que o brasil não usava "Tu" e com a conjugação do "você" kk
Hi all!
I'm looking to do a trip to Brazil for 5 weeks staying at one city (and flying out to others during weekend if time permits) to learn Brazilian Portuguese. I've done this in France and came back having my French much improved so I want to do this again but in a different part of the world. I've done a bit of research and saw that Caminhos Language School and Rio and Learn are both frequently recommended, both in Rio. Another school that came up was FAAP in SP.
I'm looking as well to learn Brazilian culture and also meeting new people, the beach at Rio is also a plus. Would I be missing out if I settle for Rio vs other places?
Ambos são de músicas do Chico Buarque:
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Deus lhe Pague:
"Pelo prazer de chorar e pelo 'estamos aí'... Deus lhe pague"
Nessa música toda, ele lista situações degradantes e desumanizantes que o povo é forçado a suportar, e então conclui as listas com um ambíguo "Deus lhe pague", que pode ser tanto a bênção de um mendigo sobre um benfeitor quanto um clamor por vingança divina.
Mas o que é o "estamos aí" que ele está "agradecendo"?
Edit: Eu sei o que significa a expressão "estamos aí" em si. Eu quero saber se ela faz referência a algo no contexto da canção.
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Homenagem ao Malandro:
"Mas o malandro para valer, não espalha
Aposentou a navalha, tem mulher e filho e tralha e tal
Dizem as más línguas que ele até trabalha
Mora lá longe, chacoalha, no trem da central"
O que é "espalhar", nessa ocorrência?
To give some context:
I’m Portuguese American, but I am not fluent in Portuguese — unfortunately my parents never drilled the language into me or my siblings. My family is from the Algarve, both my dad and mom were born in Portugal and moved over to the US later on. My Wife is fluent in Spanish and has some exposure to Brazilian Portuguese but she asked me recently if I’d like to learn Portuguese. I said, sure, but I’d prefer if it’s Portugal Portuguese because I want to get closer to my Portuguese identity and heritage. Plus it would be nice to teach our future kids both Portuguese and Spanish specific accent/dialects to the countries our parent’s come from.
Question:
Does anyone recommend any website or teacher that I can schedule lessons with on weekends? I think speaking and listening with some online meetings would probably be the best way to get fluent. I have the accent and basics down already, and my wife does quite well with a Spanish foundation. I have no problem spending decent amounts of money (USD) for lessons with my wife.
Any help would be appreciated.
Hello, is there any free, or cheap websites that you guys recomend to learn brazilian portuguese?
I believe in Portugal a "single ticket" (as opposed to a return ticket, in the context of public transport) is called a "bilhete simples", no? Can anyone please confirm?
Also, what is it called n Brazil? I have looked online, but I get many different results.
Thanks!
Been living in Brazil for about a year now and my Portuguese is... fine-ish lol. I can get around, talk to people, deal with normal life etc but I really want to start taking it more seriously and get a tutor.
The thing is I specifically want someone from São Paulo / with a São Paulo accent.
Not because I think it's somehow "better Portuguese", just because I live here and this is the way I actually want to speak. The accent, vocabulary, slang, little expressions people use here etc. I don't really want a generic "Brazilian Portuguese" teacher who lives abroad or someone teaching a completely different regional variety.
Ideally someone who actually lives in SP and can help with natural conversation more than textbook grammar.
Where do people find tutors like this? Preply/italki? Facebook groups? Universities? Some Brazilian platform I'm missing?
Also if anyone has an actual tutor in São Paulo they recommend pls send them my way.
I’m 21 do yall think I could pass as native, So I was born in the USA obviously I speak English perfectly but my parents are Hispanic from Colombia 🇨🇴 and Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 my Spanish isn’t perfect I would say a high B2 close to C1. How do Brazilians and my people from Portugal view the accent of an Hispanic American, is it really interesting or does it sound bad when speaking Portuguese
I want to surprise my Brazilian bf by showing him I’ve learnt Portuguese in secret. But I’m confused whether i should tell him eu amo voce which is the Brazilian pronoun but i haven’t seen this expression much before. Ive heard eu te amo a lot but idk if someone from Brazil would use it normally since it’s used in Portugal
Also he sometimes uses tu in his text messages when he talks to me so it adds to my confusion
So which one should I use when I tell him ?
Ps : he is from Rio de Janeiro
i've really wanted to learn brazilian portuguese for a while, and have found myself increasingly interested in portuguese literature, but most of this literature is PT-PT. if i learn BR-PT, would I be able to read + engage with PT-PT media?
What is the difference between "junto a" and "ao lado de"?
Obrigado!
Hello! I'm currently learning Brazilian Portuguese focused on a lot of immersion. Do y'all have any recommendations for unscripted content in a natural Paulistano accent? I'm looking mainly for podcasts or youtube videos.
Here are some I've found (I think they are Paulistano? My accent detection is not that good though lol)
Edson Castro
Luiz Mastropietro
Diario de Bordo
Also, what is the most common r in São Paulo? For example in "Porta". Is it more like an American port of Spanish Puerta? I think in most content I've seen on youtube it is more like the American r, but I feel like scripted content (like shows, news, or dubbed shows) has more of the Spanish-like r.
Howdy, I’ve been trying to look online for rips of the p*msleur Brazilian Portuguese courses. I did a free trial and found that I learned a ton but the full subscription is pretty expensive right now for me. I found a couple dead links on internet archive, was wondering if anyone has a source. Thanks in advance!
My life goal is to become fluent in Portuguese, and I’m getting pretty close. I’ve studied for about two years. I started with European Portuguese, but after a year I switched to Brazilian Portuguese because of the opportunities it gave me. For example, I got to study in Brazil for free, and now I speak with a fairly strong Carioca accent.
But at the end of the day, I really want to speak European Portuguese.
I’m American of Portuguese descent, so that’s a major motivation. But honestly, I also just really love the sound of PT-PT, especially the Lisbon/Coimbra accent. That’s how I want to sound.
But with all of this, PT-PT feels irrelevant to my life.
I don’t live on the East Coast, so Portuguese communities are scarce where I’m at. Brazilian communities, on the other hand, are everywhere and have been incredibly easy and fun to connect with. When I was in Brazil, everyone wanted to speak Portuguese with me. It’s the same in the U.S. It’s easy to find Brazilians willing to speak with me, which is huge because I really need speaking practice.
Portugal, on the other hand, has been a bit of a turn-off. I’ve been a few times, and conversations almost always end up switching to English. I feel like I don’t even have the opportunity to use Portuguese there because the locals basically make me switch to English. I know this is somewhat stereotypical, but I’ve also found it harder to meet people and have quality conversations there. I might realistically only visit Portugal once every 1–2 years, and although I want to live there, it probably won’t happen.
The other factor is that I study history and international relations, and I hope to eventually work in the Lusophone world and use Portuguese professionally. I love all the Lusophone countries, so it’s not like I only like Portugal. I want to develop a variety of Portuguese that is broadly useful and relevant.
A few things I’d love advice on:
Hi everyone,
As the title says I’m really trying to learn any form of Portuguese, leaning most towards European (my partners family is from Portugal and that’s the main motivation) but I’m happy to learn any kind.
At this point anything will be a good starting place lol.
I’ve been learning off Duolingo but it’s not awesome really, and I’ve been trying to build up some form of confidence to try speaking it but that’s failing as well.
Help, or even support, would go a long way and be very appreciated. Obrigado
Different people may have different expectations to what "learning" a language means exactly. So, at what point would you say (or have you said) "I learned Portuguese"?
Hi, i'm travelling to rural portugal soon and i am severely allergic to peanuts (deadly). i am also allergic to almond and type of nuts (not as bad as peanuts tho). I carry my Epipen.
I have no problem with seeds and sesame.
I learned the very basic portuguese but i want to learn the most convivial way to tell my situation in restaurants (i will also write it on a my phone). Google traduction does not seem to give me the appropriate translation.
P.s. I dont eat bakery or dessert, so hopefully i think this cover 99% of my problem haha
tl;dr sou falante inovativo? vocês já ouviram outro carioca que fala como eu? se você é de Porto Alegre, de outros lugares do RS com ditongação ou das partes de Portugal onde se fala assim, como são esses ditongos onde você vive?
EDIT: trocando em miúdos, eu estou na minoria extrema por falar áâ, éâ e óâ ao invés de éá e óá?
Uma coisa que me irrita na pesquisa fonética e fonológica do português é que existem inúmeras nuances da nossa pronúncia que não geram interesse em serem catalogadas como fenômeno por não possuírem valor fonêmico.
O português cobre uma vasta extensão territorial e possui inúmeros dialetos. Então é sempre muito chato que existam páginas na Wikipédia descrevendo alofones raros no inglês, no sueco, no francês ou no espanhol, mas a gente tenha que se limitar ao arroz com feijão de só ajudar as pessoas com [tʃi] e [dʒi].
Um exemplo, o éle /l/ do Rio de Janeiro e vários outros estados em /li/ começa com a dita pronúncia velar corcunda (bunched velar) ou molar, que no inglês é um dos alofones identificados pro /r/, ocorrendo ao menos nos EUA e na Inglaterra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced\_velar\_approximant
E ao contrário do [ɹ̈ˁʷ ~ ɰ˞ˁʷ] do inglês, que soa praticamente idêntico ao /r/ coronal [ɹ̠ˠʷ] (pronunciado logo atrás dos dentes superiores), a falta de aquisição do /li/ [l̝̈͢ˁʎ̪̝i ~ ʟ̝˞͢ˁʎ̪̝i] sudestino imediatamente denuncia o sotaque de uma pessoa como não sendo originária daqui. Isso se torna ainda mais bizarro quando nos damos conta de que há fonoaudiólogos atendendo a pessoas vindas de outras partes do Brasil buscando uma redução de sotaque (não vou entrar no mérito ou na problemática disso). Outro que também potencialmente denunciaria alguém como não-carioca é usar-se o [ʃ ʒ] pra fazer o som do chiado, que na verdade é sempre [ɕ ʑ], mas nunca é descrito como tal nos artigos.
Felizmente, não é o caso dos ditongos centralizantes do sotaque carioca:
Um estudo acústico dos ditongos centralizantes na fala carioca
O que esse estudo explica é que a gente realiza muitos ditongos na direção de um [ə] — ou [ɐ], como eles escolheram para representar, seguindo a tradição da linguística luso-brasileira — em inúmeros contextos, geralmente (mas não sempre) em sílaba tônica.
Isso é muito bom, já que é uma alofonia, nós não fazemos conscientemente, mas a sua adoção correta por pessoas que não falam nosso sotaque de forma nativa lhes ajudaria no processo de redução de sotaque, caso queiram fazê-lo. OU, de maneira muito mais provável, talvez precisemos adquirir uma língua estrangeira onde esse tipo de off-glide seria interpretado como segmento com valor fonêmico, como no alemão /ʁ/ ou nas variedades não-róticas do inglês, em que ele possui valor equivalente ao /r/ coda nos róticos. Ou caso nós por nossa vez busquemos uma redução de sotaque num contexto lusófono, por exemplo sendo diaspóricos em Maringá, Curitiba, Florianópolis, Gramado ou Portugal.
Mas o que me deixa encucado é que aparentemente ele só mostra essas pronúncias:
[iɘ̯ ~ iə̯] [ɪë̯] [e̝ə̯] [uȗ̞] [oə̯] [ɛ̝æ̯] [ə̃ɜ̯̃] [ɔ̝ɒ̯̽] com o off-glide das vogais anteriores na verdade sendo bem anterior, e das posteriores sendo bem posterior.
Em todos os casos, parece que os ditongos sempre mostram vogais se abrindo?
Mas no meu idioleto, que vocalicamente se assemelha ao do Cabo Daciolo, as vogais fechadas se abrem e as abertas se fecham.
/a/ [äɐ̯] karma, quadrado, cabra, candelabro, Pablo, lago, taco
/ɐ̃/ [ɜ̃ə̯̃(ɰ̃)] tantã, canto, pan (de pansexual ou panromântico), clã
/ɛ/ [ɛɛ̯̽] erva, pressa, quero, tetra, quebro, Lego, Leleco
/ɔ/ [(ɔ̝̑/ʕ̞ʷ)ɑ̽ꟹʌ̯̈] horta, obra, toga, toca
/ɔ/ [(ʷ)ɔə̯] poda, pode, agora, copra, cobre
/ẽ/ [ẽ̞ə̯̃(ɰ̃/ɉ̃)] entra, Enzo, penso, fenda, penca, lengalenga, membro
/õ/ [õ̞ə̯̃(ɰ̃)] onça, onze, onda, ombro, compro
/e/ [ee̯̽] terça, madeira, letra, recebo, chamego
/o/ [oɤ̯̽ꟹ] porto, poço, coro, goto, outro, roupa
/i/ [iɪ̯] pira, Irma, Quito, víbora
/i/ [iɘ̯] lira, consigo, tico, tribo
/i/ [(j/ʔ)ɪ(j)] ida, ilha, isso, isca, pista
/i/ [ɪɘ̯] Rita, periquito, contigo, lilás
/u/ [uʊ̯] curto, upa, jura ([ʉ̠ʊ̯]), poodle
/u/ [uɵ̯]? surto, Guto, ubre
/u/ [(w)ʊ(ö̯)] turma, turno, urso, cura
O /ĩ/ e o /ũ/ vou ficar devendo, eu não consigo pensar em contextos onde eles puxem muito um off-glide centralizante.
TL;DR
I'm looking for pen and paper exercise books to work on the fundamentals of European Portuguese.
Details
I've been working on my PTPT for about a year: Praktika, Practice Portuguese, YouTube, another website for basic vocabulary. I'm doing okay. Not great, just okay. What I need, what I used when I was a kid growing up learning other languages, are exercise books that require actual writing. (Writing has been shown to be an effective way of reinforcing learning, better than just typing on a phone.)
I'm not 8 years old, so I don't want cute little cartoons. I'm looking for exercise books that introduce vocabulary or a grammar point, and then reinforce them through short written exercises.
For example, let's say the grammar point was definite articles. The exercise might have a variety of words (masculine, feminine, singular, plural) and you have to write the answers:
Question: the cake - Answer: o bolo
Q: the pen - A: a caneta
Q: the cakes - A: os bolos
Q: the pens = A: as canetas
I've chosen something very simple here just to demonstrate what I'm talking about.
I'm looking for suggestions for these sort of exercise books for European Portuguese.
Thanks, all.