r/PropertyManagement

Property management - a thankless job -

I've been doing this since 2003, and at this point, I honestly feel like I've seen just about everything. Unfortunately, instead of things getting easier with experience, it seems like they're getting worse. I know tenant issues have always been part of property management, but the level of entitlement, disrespect, and outright hostility we're dealing with these days is becoming exhausting. In my experience, suburban tenants generally aren't as difficult as urban or city tenants, but even that distinction seems to be becoming less and less meaningful. The attitudes, the confrontations, and the sheer audacity of some people are reaching a point where even I am struggling to deal with it.

We've received offers to purchase the company in the past, and I've consistently turned them down because I've invested so many years into building this business. Walking away has never been something I've seriously wanted to do. However, I'm beginning to question whether holding on is still the right decision. When you've spent more than two decades in an industry, you expect challenges, difficult situations, and the occasional unreasonable tenant. What you don't expect is to reach a point where the constant nonsense starts making you question whether it's all worth it. Every property manager, myself included, is becoming increasingly fed up with the games, the confrontations, and the unnecessary complications that certain tenants create on a regular basis.

Take access to apartments, for example. We schedule appointments to complete necessary inspections, repairs, and maintenance, only to have tenants refuse access when we arrive. In some cases, the buildings we manage have received violations from the city, and we need to address those issues within the required timeframes. Yet tenants still refuse to let our workers in. We end up having to involve attorneys and, in certain situations, the police just to gain access and get the work done. Something that should be a routine maintenance issue turns into a legal and administrative nightmare, all because someone decides they don't want to cooperate.

Then you have tenants who suddenly become legal experts whenever it suits them. They'll tell us things like, "I just spoke to my attorney, and until you fix this, I don't have to pay rent." The irony is that we have our own in-house attorney, and we're well aware of the legal procedures that need to be followed. Rather than getting drawn into an argument, we'll simply explain that if the rent is unpaid, we'll proceed with the appropriate nonpayment notice and whatever legal steps are warranted. Suddenly, the tone changes, and the tenant becomes a little more reasonable. It's amazing how quickly some people change their approach when they realize that making threats doesn't automatically put them in the right.

Another example involved a roof leak that was allowing water to enter apartments. This wasn't a cosmetic issue or something that could simply wait until the following week. It was an active problem that needed to be addressed before it caused even more damage. Yet the tenant told our worker that he wasn't permitted to work past 4 p.m. on a Friday. According to my understanding of the applicable rules, that restriction was not correct; work may be permitted during much broader hours, depending on the circumstances and applicable regulations, with different considerations for emergencies. Meanwhile, we're trying to stop a leak, protect the property, and prevent further damage, and we're being met with arbitrary demands from someone who seems more interested in dictating terms than resolving the problem.

Then there are the situations that go far beyond ordinary tenant disputes. We recently had a tenant whose apartment had sustained extensive damage, requiring a substantial amount of repair work. Given that she's in New York, removing a tenant can be an extremely difficult, lengthy, and expensive process, depending on the circumstances. It often feels as though even when a situation becomes completely unreasonable, there are very few practical options for resolving it quickly.

In this particular case, we arrived with the police, and when the tenant answered the door, she was completely naked and began screaming at everyone. The situation escalated to the point where officers restrained her in handcuffs while they waited for her to calm down. This is the kind of incident that makes you stop and wonder how property management has reached this point. We're supposed to be managing buildings, coordinating repairs, maintaining safe living conditions, and protecting the owners' investments. Instead, we're finding ourselves dealing with confrontations and situations that have absolutely nothing to do with the ordinary responsibilities of the job.

And just when you think you've heard it all, something else happens. We recently had a prospective tenant who is an attorney rewrite a legal memorandum. The landlord, desperate to secure a tenant and generate rental income because he still has a mortgage to pay, accepted the revised terms. Think about that for a moment. The landlord is under financial pressure, the prospective tenant knows the law, and the entire situation becomes another example of how difficult it can be to maintain a fair and straightforward relationship between landlords and tenants. It's hard not to feel that some people take advantage of a landlord's financial circumstances simply because they know they have the leverage to do so.

After more than 20 years in this business, I understand that not every tenant is going to be easy to deal with, and I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with every decision we make. Property management has always involved conflict, compromise, and problem-solving. That's part of the job, and I've accepted that from the beginning.

But there's a difference between dealing with legitimate concerns and constantly having to manage hostility, unreasonable demands, refusal to cooperate, threats of legal action, property damage, and confrontations that escalate completely out of proportion to the issue at hand.

The amount of time, energy, and emotional stress these situations consume is becoming difficult to justify. It's not just about the individual incidents anymore; it's the cumulative effect of dealing with one problem after another, day after day, while still being expected to keep everything running smoothly for the owners, the buildings, and the tenants who genuinely do want to do the right thing.

I've spent years building this business, and I've always taken pride in what I do. But when every property manager is reaching the same breaking point, and even someone like me, who's been doing this since 2003, is starting to question whether it's worth continuing, something is seriously wrong.

We've turned down offers to buy the company because I wasn't ready to walk away. Now, for the first time, I'm seriously reconsidering that decision. At some point, you have to ask yourself whether the business is still worth the constant stress, frustration, and aggravation, or whether it's time to step away and let someone else deal with it.

I never thought I'd reach a point where I'd seriously consider selling after putting so many years into this industry. But here we are.

Rant over.

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u/pulled-the-trigger — 5 days ago

Quick question for Rent Manager / property management users: How do ACH returns vs. manual voids work in the portal?

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​Hey everyone, I have a few technical questions about how tenant portal software (specifically Rent Manager / TWA) handles different types of payment issues:

​Wrong Account or Routing Number: If a tenant enters an incorrect routing or checking account number when paying online, what actually happens? Does the portal throw an error instantly, or does it try to process it and generate an automated ACH return code (like R03/R04)? What line item does the portal ledger show for this?

​Insufficient Funds (NSF): If a tenant submits a payment without enough money in their account and the bank rejects it, what exact wording or line item shows up on the portal ledger? Is the NSF fee triggered automatically by the system?

​"Void Adjustment" Entry: What does a "Void Adjustment" line item on a ledger actually mean? Is that an automated system status generated when a bank returns a payment, or does a property manager/admin have to manually log in and click to void/cancel that transaction?

​Trying to understand how the software logs automated bank rejections versus manual user actions in the system. Thanks for any insight

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u/BigPresentation5722 — 4 days ago
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Should Property Managers be Licensed in NYC?

I wrote an article on LinkedIn why I think as an owner of a company that we should be licensing our property management professionals in New York City.

I'm licensed in FL for this very position and I have found that when given the NYC vs. FL way of handling things, I have a lot more confidence in the people that I can hire in FL because they are licensed, are educating themselves every two years and have a baseline understanding on all facets of the business.

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on this and if you think it should be a licensed industry.

u/markdmb — 12 days ago
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Triple Crown Corporation in PA

Does anyone have any experience working for them? I saw a new job posting for a CM role and was curious about others’ experience with pay, company dynamics and employee discount options. Any input is appreciated and thank you in advance!

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u/MapApprehensive2615 — 9 days ago

Is the luxury apartment experience better than a conventional one?

Not gonna lie, I am lowkey getting tired of my current apartment complex. The owners are absolutely garbage, the residents are extremely entitled and my complex was built in the 90's. We get leaks, AC stop working everytime. It's extremely vexing. I've heard that luxury apartments might be better since most of them are newer and are in better condition. Do you all think it's worth it? What are your experiences?

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u/GAEOBrando — 11 days ago

Property management rentals

I’m looking for a house to rent. Was looking at Darwin or MyMynd. I’ve seen terrible reviews so then I started looking at more well known properties, but even they have terrible reviews (firstkey, Main Street etc). Unsure if I should take the risk to try Darwin or MyMynd.

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u/Inevitable_Bag_7480 — 12 days ago

Maintenance documentation protects both owners and tenants

Every repair request should create a simple record: When it was reported, photographs of the issue, who was assigned, when the vendor arrived, what was repaired and the final cost.

This is not unnecessary administration. It helps identifying recurring problems, supports securit-deposit decisions, prevents duplicate work and shows whether vendors are actually completing jobs.

Even smaller Utha operators such as Property Management emphasize coordinated maintenance and inspection because verbal updates become unreliable once several properties are involved

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u/Beginning_Mastodon83 — 12 days ago

Maintenance shop set up

I’ve been in the industry for many years working on large-scale properties. I recently took a job running a one-man show. Small 75-unit property. The guy I replaced was old school and there for 20+ years. He went to the hardware store for every part.

I’ve been given free range to organize any way I want and build an inventory. I’ve already started making a list of parts we use and creating an ordering schedule.

What I’m looking for is ideas on how to organize a shop and ideas to organize parts for a small complex like mine. I’d love to see some pics of your shops. I will also have a section for an office.

Nothing is uniform so trips to the store or HD supply orders are inevitable but the goal is to have it where if a random maintenance person worked at my property for a few days they would know where everything was at without ever being in my shop.

I’d be happy to see any pictures of everybody’s set up.

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u/timk650 — 11 days ago