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We Need to Talk About Cost Cutting.

I have owned a Gen 1 R1T and a Gen 2 R1T. I owned my 2022 R1T for two years and 40,000 miles. I did multiple 1,700-mile road trips, including all the big Colorado overland trails, Moab, etc. Sadly, it spent over four months in the shop for ever-more-serious maintenance issues, and eventually I sold it. I then went to a Gen 2 R1T Tri. I only had that truck for about 10,000 miles. It had some annoying issues, like a loose speaker and rattles, but nothing serious. I made the decision to sell it in order to be financially responsible leading up to my wedding.

I say all this just to make clear that I am not a Rivian or EV hater. I have driven EVs exclusively since February 2021. They include Tesla, Ford EVs, and Rivian. I currently drive a 2026 Model Y. I am not a fan of Elon and do not intend to ever drive a Tesla again after this one, mostly because of Elon, but also because Tesla no longer allows FSD transfers.

I test-drove an R2 a few weeks ago in Denver, and I was surprised at how much I liked it. It truly feels like a great package. The issues I am calling out below are mostly nitpicks, but they do amount to real annoyances that I also mostly have with my current Model Y.

My true main issue with the R2 is range and fast charging being stuck at 2019 levels of tech. I intend to keep my next car for 7–8 years, and I drive the crap out of my cars. Being stuck at 260–280 highway miles of range with a 30-minute 10–80% charge curve in 2029 and beyond may be more than I can tolerate. That, and the lack of FM radio, but this post is not about those gripes.

Like many of you, I have a spouse who isn’t an EV nerd. She likes cars that work and are straightforward. These issues drive her insane, and I can’t blame her. The following issues are not isolated to the R2 or Rivian, but I think they represent a trend that is anti-consumer and should be called out as such.

Air Vents:

You cannot convince me that wiring multiple small motors to control the front vents is saving BOM cost versus simple hand-controlled vents. This seems like a bizarre decision, considering Rivian is so concerned about BOM cost that they deleted the FM radio, which on its own is egregious. My wife and I adjust the vents all the time depending on feeling, temperature, drive length, etc. Physical vents are far better to use while driving and must be cheaper than Rivian’s solution. The rear seats have physical vent controls; why can’t the front have them as well?

Exterior Buttons:

Specifically, the exterior capacitive buttons for opening the frunk and the rear drop glass. What are we even doing here? My previous Rivians had a physical button for opening and closing the frunk. It worked every time. It did not have a “learning curve.” Why does a button have a “learning curve”?

Door Releases:

Much has already been said about this. Wassym has responded to my questions in his AMA, and to many other users, about this topic. I am sadly still not convinced. Mechanical door releases are simple and proven. I have been in situations in life that were somewhat life-threatening and required the use of safety equipment. I was trained to use that equipment, and still, in the heat of the moment, my life was saved because the way to activate it was obvious. A random passenger in the rear seats is not going to find the manual release in an emergency. Electronic door releases are not passively safe.

I understand that for some of these issues you can make a cost argument. I understand that Rivian needs solid margins and must turn a profit to survive. I want Rivian to succeed. But at some point, there has to be a balance between cost reduction and consumer comfort. I fear we are witnessing a race to the bottom in margin expansion at the cost of consumers. What other features will be deleted next in the name of BOM cost?

u/Vince_CarRants — 6 hours ago
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Debating between R2 and IONIQ 5

Now, based on the subreddit, I think I can guess how this will go. But as someone who loves Rivian and really wants to get the R2, I struggle to justify the $10,000 extra for my ideal R2 Premium config over the IONIQ 5 Limited AWD.

I’m curious what people think about these two vehicles and I’ll bullet off a few of my thoughts in the comparison. And to be clear, I like the R2 more. I just don’t know if I like it 10 grand more.

Rivian R2 Advantages
- Design (though I don’t dislike the IONIQ’s styling)
- Cargo Storage
- UI (Hyundai is set to adopt CarPlay Ultra for future models so likely to not be a factor long term)
- LiDAR + RAP1 on future models
- Car Camping Experience

Hyundai IONIQ 5 Advantages
- Roadtripping/Charging
- Cost

I don’t particularly care for or against the rear drop window to be honest. I’m not sure how much I would actually end up using it.

Again, I’m really trying to figure out how to justify the $10k gap and I’m struggling to close it. Thanks.

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u/jb_nelson_ — 4 hours ago
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I built a free tool to compare every R2 trim side by side and estimate real cost of ownership

Use it here: https://r2-configurator.vercel.app

I’ve been getting really excited by the R2 rollout, and after receiving my order-window email, it’s finally starting to feel real. This will be our first EV purchase, so I wanted to understand what the full cost might look like beyond the sticker price.

The Rivian builder is great, but what I really wanted was a way to see every trim side by side on one page. So I built that, then expanded it into a full cost-of-ownership estimator.

I'm in North Carolina, but I added defaults for all 50 states plus DC. Everything is editable, and the project is open source, so if your state's numbers look off or you want to improve something for the community, PRs are very welcome.

Features

  • Compare all R2 trims side by side on one page
  • Configure any build by itself or as a full comparison: drivetrain/battery, wheels, paint, interior, gear & accessories
  • Estimate multi-year cost beyond MSRP: financing, charging, insurance, taxes, fees, and depreciation, with editable local defaults by state
  • Share a build as a link, or copy the details into an LLM for a second opinion
  • No login and no tracking

Caveats: Some gear isn't available yet, so a few prices are educated guesses. This isn't financial advice, and it isn't affiliated with Rivian. The per-state numbers are based on my best research pass. If yours look off, edit them on the page or submit a PR to fix the default for everyone.

I’d love your feedback, especially anything you'd like to see added. Thanks for taking a look!

u/a_mark_deified_karma — 7 hours ago
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Does the R2 have any underbody protection?

Anyone know if the R2 has any underbody protection? I’d assume the battery has a plate but wondering about any other part of the underbody like front or rear skid plates. I’m also assuming since Rivian hasn’t advertised it it probably doesn’t.

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u/dleewla — 4 hours ago

Test Drive Impression

Did my test drive here in WA driving an electric car for the first time. I will say the whole thing is brilliant. I am actually surprised how much I enjoyed the experience. The sportiness and the ride was amazing. BUT I have one thing to say. I am 6’ 2” and I drive a large car. I have seen posts about folks who are equally as tall who claim that it’s comfortable to them. I really struggled with head clearance and leg support. I felt like was looking at the headliner more than the wind screen and just in the 30 minute my pedal leg was getting tired. Anyone else experience this? Going to make a few more appointments. My order window is in October so I got time to think about it.

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u/TheBeavermeat — 4 hours ago

Which wheel size, 20” or 21”?

For those that have placed orders, what were your considerations in choosing between the 20” and 21” wheels? More availability of replacement tires with the 20” or smoother ride with the all seasons on the 21”? I don’t plan on much off-roading so the all terrains aren’t necessary for me. Thanks for your input.

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u/863Gunner — 8 hours ago

Charging Rivian from perspective of current Tesla ownet

I’ve owned a Tesla model y for 5 years and I am in line for my r2. I understand charge costs for Tesla really well, but just learned about the Tesla subscriptions required for non Tesla owners using the Tesla charging stations. (E.g. my future state when on travel).

My question is this, when folks travel big distances (I’m on east coast) how do you charge? Tesla chargers, RAN, ionna, etc? And out of curiosity how does the cost compare to what I’m used to with my Tesla (0.20-0.44 cents kw)?

It’s not a deal breaker, I just only have experience with Tesla’s on Tesla network… do folks find rates to be comparable? Do you go to non Tesla chargers more? Are there lots of RAN stations…

I’m toying with going to the Rivian showroom just to see what information the nav gives me for where to charge and if it projects charge costs for a 1200 mile fake trip…

(This is no where near critically important for wanting a Rivian, but I’d like to understand how it differs in more concrete detail)

Edit: I opened ABRP to try and figure this out and was immediately greeted with “ABRP is brought to you by Rivian…” :-)

Tia!

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u/np0x — 10 hours ago

First-Time EV Owner - Help with Chargers

Hello everyone,

The R2 will be the first EV in the family and I was hoping to get some information on the chargers/adapters worth buying or if it's better to buy others.

I am getting a 60A breaker wired in the garage and hard wiring a charger before I get my reservation later in the year. Is this the best way to go or should I put in a 220V outlet instead?

Is the Rivian $800 wall charger worth the cost or should I get an aftermarket option instead?

Same question, but for the travel charger.

What are the adapters needed for? I thought the R2 uses the same plug as Tesla, right?

Thanks for any help!

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u/Historical-Job-8887 — 10 hours ago

Brand new to EVs

My wife started a new job several months ago, and has a daily commute of roughly 80 miles, so we started looking into EVs. She currently drives a Toyota Grand Highlander, while I drive a Tundra. She really didn’t like the design appearance of the Model Y, and wants something that sits up higher than the Model 3. We finally came across the R2 earlier this week, and she loves the initial design of the vehicle. The one thing we are curious about his the ride height, and overall size of it. Specs show it’s 3” shorter than her GH, but the ground clearance is higher. Just looking for thoughts and opinions from anyone who has bought or experienced driving an R2. Are you happy with the overall size? Or left with wanting more overall room? We have two kids, and rarely use the extra seats in her GH. Thanks for any info.

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u/hankbeer — 5 hours ago
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Worst R2 Demo Drive Review

The R2 was amazing. This review is uninformative.

I am coming from a 15 year old Prius. So, new to Rivian. New to EV. Which is why I think this review will not offer a relevant comparison that everyone seems to want.

I am excited about the R2 and am eagerly awaiting Rivian’s permission to give them my money. (Reservation is 6/2025. So long wait.)

There was little concern that the demo drive would sour me from going with an R2. And, quite the opposite, everything I experienced just heightened the anticipation.

I managed to snag a first day demo drive at KOP after trying, and failing, at the more local one in Woodbridge NJ. Watched the slots vanish before my eyes.

The Drive

They set up the nav with the route I was to take. There was traffic along the way, so testing the acceleration was not possible. But, almost every other review I’ve read says it is awesomely excessive. I believe them.

One pedal driving was easy for me. I like it. I tried the various regen settings and I’d probably keep it on high.

The suspension smoothed out potholes like nothing I’ve experienced before. But, again, everything would be better than the teeth chattering I would have been bracing myself for with the Prius.

The Prius sways a lot in turns. I went from an Integra to the Prius 15 years back. I remember thinking I felt like I was driving a phone booth in comparison. (Does anyone remember phone booths?) The mass and stature of the R2 had me thinking I could expect another experience like that. True is it a much larger vehicle. But, it seemed to hit turns with more stability than the Prius. I was surprised. In fact, in general, the drive was wonderful.

Parked

I didn’t have a lot of time that first day. So I didn’t poke around the R2 very much. But I returned during the weekend with my wife. This time to Woodbridge, for a more detailed look at the R2 in the showroom. (No demo drive this time.)

I am 6’1”. My wife is a bit over 5’. Since I’d already experienced the drive, my wife took the driver’s seat. And proceeded to adjust it for the next ten minutes. I wasn’t being impatient. I genuinely wanted to see how she would be in a vehicle this size. Let’s just say the seating position profile setting is a necessity for us. And despite that, it’s going to take her some time to get accustomed to driving it.

The audio sounded good to me. Again, the atrophying, 15 year old speakers in the Prius serve as no real comparison. We tend to listen to audio books on long drives anyway. And none of us are prone to pushing volume limits when listening to music.

We didn’t really have trouble with the UI. It seems to do the job. It’s a bit showy at the sacrifice of screen real estate. But I like it. Certainly, I’ve been in rentals with far worse.

I like the haptic halos. Just not the name. Didn’t have the sort of trouble others were having.

It might be worth saying why we would be going from a Prius to a midsize electric SUV. When I purchased the Prius, I wanted an EV. But 15 years ago they were both expensive and impractical for longer road trips and camping. We settled on the Prius which was, at the time, able to hold the camping equipment we often carried.

As camping turned to glamping and the family grew, we started renting larger vehicles for our trips. The cargo space of the R2 means we won’t be needing rentals any longer. Also, we’ve had to get to some camp sites that the Prius just couldn’t reach. AWD and ground clearance of the R2 will eliminate that concern.

And long trips are much more a possibility now with the prevalence of DC fast charging.

It’s very clear the R2 is a perfect fit for our wants and needs. Like most of you, we are counting the days to taking one home with us.

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Edit: adding this… and it’s quite a lot…

New-ish to the reddit* and not certain the customary way to extend a previous post.

So, what do you do when you have a day off and the family is not around to talk you out of it? Do some Rivian space hopping, of course!

Yes, yes. I know. This guy is drinking the artificially sweetened fruit beverage.**

Enough silliness.

I was not satisfied with the demo drive at the KoP location. The traffic was too dense to really get a feel for the R2 at speed. I noticed earlier this week that demo drives were opening up days in advance. So I started looking for spaces that had highways nearby and satellite view showing roads with fewer vehicles. I landed on Woodbury, NY and snagged an early slot for July 3rd. It is a road trip for me. But I had the day to myself.

I showed up early for a 10am demo. I am certain I was the first one that day. Since I was early, the rep let me start early and I had a good 50 minutes with a Half Moon Grey R2. The rep*** was friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable.

The R2, as in my first demo drive, drove like a dream. I really like the way it handles. At speed, the cabin was quiet. Very little in the way of road or wind noise. (Remember, I’m comparing to an old Prius that leaves me with tinnitus after a long ride. So you may disagree.) The highway was not pristine. So I got to experience how the R2 behaved on rough roads. It did a good job smoothing out the bumps without completely eliminating road feel.

I did play around with the ride settings. I am sorry to say that I didn’t really feel a difference among soft, medium, and hard. However, when I switched between all purpose and sport drive modes, it seemed that the ride settings did change noticeably. Difficult to say if it was my imagination. But if it wasn’t, I am wondering if there is a software bug that prevents directly changing the ride setting from actually doing so.

Sport mode was a kick in the backside when hitting the accelerator. Wow. The calibration of the accelerator changed.

I tried autonomy+ for the first time. It worked very well. Stayed in lane, maintained speed and following distance, found openings and changed lanes via the turn indicator. I have read that, at some point, autonomy+ would incorrectly swerve to center itself on expanded lanes at off ramps. I passed several and this did not happen with the version in the demo vehicle. It gave me confidence that it can be trusted when it is used where and how it is intended.

Played with regen level and decided I’ll stick to the high setting. Although, I may set it to be less aggressive when there are others with me.

At the far end of the drive, I parked in an open parking lot and got some time to play around with the infotainment system. I was going to set up my Apple Music account, but found there was one already configured. At the risk of polluting some other poor soul’s play history with my questionable taste in music, I played some of my own selections at various volume levels. It is far, far better than the sound system in my Prius. It does get a little rough at times. I can see why an audiophile would dismiss it. Rivian has some software work to do. While it’s already good enough for me, I’d still appreciate any improvements they can make.

The UI is functional and fun. All the other things that can be accessed there were there and seem to work as expected. Except the weather app which seemed to think it was 80°. It had hit 100° at that point.

Which brings me to HVAC. Remember, I was the first one to ride the R2 that day. It had been sitting in the sun all morning in 95-100° heat without the chance to be cooled before I entered.

I have heard a lot of complaints from people in the southern states that the AC doesn’t put a dent in the heat they have to contend with. And that the glass roof doesn’t block the sun enough. I’ll take them at their word. Nonetheless, this is my read on what is happening.

The tint in the glass roof, which is more than enough to comfortably reduce the sun’s brightness, is absorbing the sun’s energy more than it is reflecting it away. I put my hand on the glass and it was very hot. Much hotter than the outside and cabin air. So the glass is acting like a radiator and heating the interior. Yes, the sun itself is doing this directly as well. But my head is closer to the glass and I could feel its heat more than the heat elsewhere in the cabin.

However, the AC did control the heat in the cabin and the cabin air eventually cooled the glass roof as well. That took a few minutes, though. I kept the fan on medium and low throughout my ride. So I’m confident the AC is more than sufficient.

I had to laugh at myself when I later tried the ventilated seats. “Wait… is this wor… OOOOOOH.” Took a few seconds to kick in. I’ve never experienced ventilated seats before.

In the end, the R2 is a joy to drive. Which is a good thing for me because I derive a great deal of joy from driving. Despite software bugs and not shipping initially with all features available, I am still impatiently awaiting permission to give Rivian a portion of my hard earned income.

But, wait! I said I was Rivian space hopping. Hopping to one Rivian space is more like a stumble.

I decided to visit the space in the Meatpacking district of NYC. The KoP, Woodbridge, NJ, and Woodbury, NY spaces are a bit bare. So I wanted to visit one that was fully equipped.

I don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say that the space is a several notches above the Apple Store in my local shopping mall. The displays are artfully designed and informative. They had a multi-sensory… arena?… where the colors and their natural inspirations were being projected along with nature sounds accompanying them. There were also scented cards. Intended to demonstrate the smells of the colors? I think?

In short, took some pictures of the space, bought a hat, sat in an R2, looked at all the interior and exterior colors and materials across all the Rivian vehicles, refilled my water bottle, and used the restroom. (TMI?)

After that, I went for a walk on the High Line which runs over the space.

A very enjoyable day!

Cheers, folks.

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Wait. You’re still here? Hoping there was some useful information? I warned you this was a bad review. It’s over. Go home.

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*Article intentionally included to induce eye rolls from my progeny.

**The brand that once employed the performer with a penchant for fruit punch pitcher cosplay and domestic demolition has not paid me for placement. Yet I felt the need for another nostalgia reference.

***I really don’t know if I should be including names. I’m trying to respect privacy. I should have a better term than “rep” though.

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u/Final-Mud-8993 — 11 hours ago

Another newbie question, cellular coverage.

I know the R2 hasn't been out that long, but can anyone comment on how good or bad the cellular coverage is with the Connect+.

I write this as I'm driving through the U.P. and at&t coverage is spotty on my phone, fading in and out with every hill.

Normally it's no big deal, but with the infotainment system being pretty much reliant on cellular coverage it's more important.

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u/schirmyver — 9 hours ago
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First Roadtrip has been a resounding success 💥

Drove to Yosemite for the 4th of July weekend from SoCal. Universal hands free for most of the route.

Feel free to ask questions

u/killoe606 — 22 hours ago
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R2 Reservation

Does anyone know if I can transfer/sell my R2 reservation slot? Wife doesn’t want a R2 anymore as we have 2 SUV types right now. I got the order invite email for Oct-Nov, with 4-8 weeks for delivery.

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u/AltruisticAnybody740 — 11 hours ago

Tesla J1772 Charger

Back in the day before they released the Universal Wall Connector, Tesla had a wall connector with a J1772 plug at the end. This was before all the other manufacturers moved to NACS. I was able to charge my Tesla with an adapter. I assumed the same would work for Rivian but read something that older generation NACS chargers may not work with the R2. Does anyone have this wall connector and know if it would work?

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u/slumper — 10 hours ago

R2 Screen Protector

Has anyone who has taken delivery gotten the screen protector and would be willing to share photos and verify Rivian's claims that they "feature anti-glare and oleophobic coatings, so screens are easier to see and easier to clean"?

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u/Lanky_Difference5449 — 16 hours ago
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Some of you are crazy

I had my first test drive today and was blown away by the R2. I was worried because I've read most of the issues people raised and thought maybe it wasn't going to be as good of a replacement for my model Y performance. I've owned a Tesla since 2017 (model S and then Y) but have owned two BMW 3 series and have driven f150/250/350/super duty and a lot in between.

First are the things I don't know how people complain about:

- Stereo - first thing I turned on and it sounded great. Maybe I am cursed with crappy ears, but I cranked it up, played a few different genres of music, and loved it.

- Acceleration - I didn't feel the "lag" at all. I was stopped at a red light on a 50mph road and slammed the gas on green and it just flew. No delay but a cool-to-me high pitched sound like my old turbo at some point during the acceleration. I know the numbers are nearly identical to the MYP, but it feels faster.

- Sunroof - again, not sure what people are talking about but I held my hand near my MYP roof right before pulling into the service center and did the same in the test drive. No difference to me.

- Haptic wheels - no problem with them an appreciated the steering wheel and mirror adjustments with them. Very easy and intuitive.

- How quiet it is with the back window down - maybe it should be a negative, because I was doing 50mph with it down and could easily not realize it.

Second are the things I have seen people write about:

- Experience - somewhere between the model S and the 3/Y Tesla focus shifted to what is best for Tesla vs. what is best for the driver. I was amazed at how much better the overall experience in the R2 was...from the layout of the interior, to the materials, to the animations and layout of the interface, it just felt like there was investment in the actual driver experience (vs. drivers and redundant with FSD).

- Ground level cameras - I found a half-torn up parking lot to test low speed navigation through obstacles and LOVED the cameras showing the left and right front wheels. Awesome for negotiating tight spaces.

- Rear wheel bias - this is a blast to throw around corners and I just love the red feel that I haven't had since my BMW.

Lastly when the ride was over and I drove home in my MYP:

- I missed my hood

- I missed being up high

- I missed how quiet it was

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u/G00G00Daddy — 1 day ago

Audio Test Request/Idea

I test drove the R2 and Model Y back to back. The stereo in the R2 was noticeably inferior for my listening preferences.

That being said, I completely believe people who had different experiences. For most music, the R2 should sound fine. But I listen mostly to classical music. With that type of music, differences in sound quality become much more noticeable.

For those who have a chance to demo the R2, would you try this piece and also compare it with a Model Y Juniper with Premium Audio if possible, with sound enhancements turned off and EQ set to neutral on both vehicles:

https://youtu.be/s52CLjjQdcY

(0:00 to 1:40)

(5:00 to 7:40)

(8:48 to the end) recommended.

I am not trying to invalidate anyone’s experience. I am genuinely curious whether more people would notice the difference when listening to music that demands higher fidelity.

Lastly, do you think Rivian can unlock more of the R2 stereo system’s potential through OTA updates (maybe through a DSP profile change or something similar), or is it already close to the hardware limit?

u/nathonkim — 15 hours ago

Rivian test drive 7/4 — OMG! :)

Full disclosure: I was already all-in on the R2 before my demo drive, so I expected to like it. I didn’t expect to come away loving it even more.

We drove it, rode as passengers, played with everything we could, and by the end my wife and I were both grinning like kids. Our current lease doesn’t end until March 2027, and our R2 invite window is Dec. 2026–Feb. 2027. The original plan was to wait until the lease was up. After today? We’re both trying to figure out how to make the timing work so we can get the R2 sooner.

A few things that stood out:

Sound system: I know there have been plenty of complaints, but it sounded great to us. Our current vehicle has a Bose system, so it’s not like we’re coming from a bad setup. Maybe I’m not enough of an audiophile- I mostly listen to ’80s music - but I honestly have zero complaints.

Haptic steering wheel controls: Based on Reddit, I was expecting to dislike these. Instead, they were intuitive and worked exactly as I expected. I kept waiting for the frustration everyone talks about, and it never came. I really don’t relate to the criticism after using them.

Glass roof heat: I live in the Dallas area, and today it was 103°F. If there were ever a day to test the glass roof, this was it. I was already planning to get ceramic tint because of everything I’d read. Honestly, I barely noticed any radiant heat from the roof. Maybe the tint will still happen, but after today it doesn’t feel nearly as necessary as I expected.

Acceleration: Everyone says the launch is insane, and they’re right. It absolutely pins you back in the seat. It’s ridiculous in the best possible way.
For context, my wife and I are both 55. We left feeling like two teenagers who had just discovered their dream car. The funniest moment was when my wife—who has never had any interest in camping—started asking the Rivian rep about the rooftop tent accessory. I just laughed. Apparently the R2 has us both imagining adventures we never even considered before.

Obviously this was a short demo drive, so I’m not claiming it’s perfect or that long-term ownership won’t have its quirks. But as a first impression? It exceeded my already high expectations in almost every way.

I can’t wait to own one.

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u/Weak-Hawk-9693 — 24 hours ago