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PSA: Difference between Legalism and the Gospel

Beloved,

Satan is ever ready to steal a march on us in our groggy state. Due to recent posts conflating legalism and the mystery of the Gospel, I wanted to give a breakdown with Scripture for those who are of the right Spirit to receive it. Bless you all!

Legalism says, “I obey so that God will accept me.”

Galatians 2:16 KJV: “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ... for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

Romans 3:20 KJV: “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”

Ephesians 2:8 to 9 KJV: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

Titus 3:5 KJV: “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.”

The gospel says, “God accepts me in Christ, and Christ in me produces obedience.”

Ephesians 1:6 KJV: “To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.”

Galatians 2:20 KJV: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me.”

John 15:5 KJV: “He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.”

Philippians 2:13 KJV: “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”

Legalism says, “My law keeping makes me righteous.”

Philippians 3:9 KJV: “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ.”

Romans 10:3 to 4 KJV: “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”

Galatians 3:21 KJV: “for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.”

The gospel says, “Christ is my righteousness, and His righteousness is revealed in a transformed life.”

1 Corinthians 1:30 KJV: “But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.”

Jeremiah 23:6 KJV: “And this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”

Romans 8:4 KJV: “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

1 John 3:7 KJV: “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.”

Legalism says, “I can overcome sin by effort, discipline, and rule keeping.”

John 15:5 KJV: “for without me ye can do nothing.”

Romans 7:18 KJV: “For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing.”

Romans 7:24 KJV: “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”

Colossians 2:20 to 23 KJV warns against man made ordinances and self imposed religion, saying they have “a shew of wisdom” but are “not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.”

The gospel says, “Without Christ I can do nothing, but through abiding in Him, His Spirit fulfills righteousness in me.”

John 15:4 to 5 KJV: “Abide in me, and I in you... He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.”

Romans 8:2 to 4 KJV: “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death... That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

Galatians 5:16 KJV: “Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”

2 Corinthians 3:18 KJV: “But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image... even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”

Hebrews 8:10 KJV: “I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts.”

Summary

Both the Gospel and legalism concern obedience to God’s law, and this is why many conflate the two. But legalism says, “I will become righteous by my own effort and law keeping.” The Gospel says, “By full surrender, I receive Christ by faith; He saves me, abides in me, and the evidence of that salvation is the law being fulfilled in me, yet not I, but Christ."

"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." - 1Jn 3:6-10

Revelation 20:12 KJV: “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”

Revelation 22:12 KJV: “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

There is no tension when you understand rightly the flow and you stop doubting the power of God to fulfill His will in us. This is EXACTLY why Paul says:

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." - Romans 3:3-4

Israel had the oracle, but they exercised unbelief two ways, they did not truly keep the law, and they tried to establish righteousness by their own works instead of receiving it by faith. Thats modern day Adventism for a lot of us. We have the oracles, but we lack the unbelief allow us the liberty of the law. Shall our unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar."

“Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”- Matthew 13:9

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u/Illuminaught1 — 2 days ago

Is it a sin to enjoy fantasy?

Ever since I was a little kid I’ve always loved fantasy media like Narnia and Lord of the Rings. My parents allowed us to watch Disney and stuff like that growing up, but a lot of the kids around me were not allowed.

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u/Disastrous-Insect422 — 2 days ago

Do you believe you are saved?

Do you believe you and Jesus have to work for your salvation?

Or

Do you believe that Jesus died for you and paid the price in full?

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u/Truthandquestioner — 4 days ago
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Eating of meat = Gluttony

John the baptist ate Locust BEANS (carob) and honey which is vegan, therefore his whole diet was vegan

As a forerruner of the first coming of Christ, he prepared people to receive him

If we are the forerruners of the second coming, we should follow John’s example

u/RudePalpitation9866 — 4 days ago
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The White House says they will “identify and neutralize” secular political groups that are anti-American, “radically pro-transgender” and anarchist. It declares Anarchists & Anti-Fascists as a major terror group. Presidential Foreword ends with “We Will Find You and We Will Kill You.” with Trump’s s

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/2026-USCT-Strategy-1.pdf

It also says that the U.S. faces major threat from terror groups like Anarchists and Anti-fascists

u/AlfredoVignale — 8 days ago

Child Dedication for SDA/Adventists

Hi, I’m a FTM and a catholic but our baby is Adventist because her father is. I am just curious, how is the program flow of the child dedication? Can it be held on a different venue? Does the baby have Godmothers/fathers? Or do we just call them witnesses? I don’t wanna ask my partner about this as he hasn’t attended any dedication in his life because he works offshore.

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u/No-Maintenance-611 — 4 days ago

THEOCRACY IN 250 YEARS

Douglas Wilson, Christian nationalist, when asked about when does he want to have a Christian world, his answer is in 250 years

Thats an interesting date, isnt it? Why not 200, or 300? Why not 260?

And i say interesting because America will celebrate its 250 years of independence in 2026

Buckle up people!

u/Such_Violinist225 — 11 days ago

3 reasons why you need to stop the tithing system

1- tithing informally stopped after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians, when the second temple was built later the officiants were no longer part of the tribe of Levi. Tithes were only informally collected at a city/town level to rich people with land only and even then mostly to support the local synagogue.

2-Tithing officially ended at the destruction of the second temple by the romans in 70AD. And even then that was the jewish religion, nothing to even do with Christianity. Jesus and the apostles are specific about so many things in their teachings that as history as shown theres entire denominations literally based on mere disagreements on interpretations which further exemplifies that the absence of Jesus or the apostles EVER, NOT ONCE, asking directly and specifically for TITHES is evidence that this is not something part of the Christian faith.

3- Tithing was only introduced into the catholic church in the 3rd century AD, a whole 300 years after Jesus or the early church. And even then here's the actually important part: they are the only ones. The orthodox church,coptic, Ethiopian and armenian churches never established any obligatory tithing system.

And here is the actually ironic part of all of this: the catholic church today doesnt even collect tithes, it has not since the 1960s. Many of our sister denominations who are protestant dont collect tithes either.

These are some of the points that a lot of people, specially those collecting tithes from pulpit speeches should be aware of. You have no right to the biblical portion of what belonged to a jewish tribe 3000 years ago

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u/ayowatchyojetbruh — 13 days ago

Fulcrum7's "The Problem with Black Music" article perfectly captures Adventism's long discomfort with Black musical expression, and its general issues with race relations

Hey yall, so I recently re-read Fulcrum7’s racially insensitive article:

“The Problem with Black Music (and Why You Shouldn’t Listen To It)”

Honestly, I'm shocked that they allowed this article on their platform, but I guess it reflects the general views of everyone who is a part of the leadership/publishing of Fulcrum7. That being said, it made me reflect on something I think Adventists don’t discuss enough: the racial and cultural assumptions that have historically shaped Adventist ideas about "reverent" music. To be clear, I know many Adventists sincerely care about worship, holiness, and "avoiding commercialization" or "emotional manipulation" in music. I’m not saying every conservative critique of music is necessarily racist.

However, I do think we should ask "why styles associated with Black musical traditions have so often been singled out in Adventist culture as spiritually dangerous or inherently inferior?" Historically, Adventist suspicion toward gospel, jazz, blues influence, syncopation, rhythmic emphasis, emotional vocal delivery, improvisation, percussion, and call-and-response traditions, etc.; has often overlapped with broader American cultural anxieties about Black music itself.

For decades, many Adventists were taught that rhythm-heavy music bypassed rational thought, stimulated the body improperly, or even opened people spiritually to deception. People like Christian Berdahl openly described syncopation as spiritually dangerous or occultic. However, when you look at which musical traditions were most frequently targeted, it’s hard not to notice the racial dimension.

The irony is that some of the richest musical traditions in Adventism came from Black Adventists, who have incorporated syncopation. Groups like Take 6, Oakwood University’s Aeolians, The Breath of Life Quartet, and The King’s Messengers Quartet produced some of the most harmonically sophisticated, emotionally resonant, and spiritually meaningful music in the denomination.

Yet Black SDA musicians often had to fight for legitimacy inside the church because their sound was considered "too contemporary," "too rhythmic," or "too emotional." In fact, in an interview with the Breath of Life Quartet, they discussed the backlash to their Ghetto Child album in 1979. Even though much of the album was rooted in gospel and spiritual traditions, it still received criticism for its sound and presentation. That says a lot about the culture of the church at the time.

These groups produced incredibly sophisticated harmony, vocal precision, and deeply spiritual music. Yet historically, many Black Adventists still faced pressure to conform to more restrained European-American worship aesthetics in order to be considered "reverent." That tension feels important to acknowledge.

What also makes this difficult is that the official position of the Seventh-day Adventist Church strongly condemns racism and racial superiority. The General Conference has officially stated that:

"Racism is among the worst of ingrained prejudices that characterize sinful human beings."

And in its later "One Humanity" statement, the church acknowledged that even church members and institutions have sometimes absorbed “dehumanizing ideas” related to race and ethnicity.

I appreciate those statements. I genuinely do. However, I think we also have to ask whether some Adventist music theology has historically reflected "cultural bias" more than "timeless biblical principle". To me, this issue goes beyond simple liturgical conservatism. There’s a deeper SDA respectability politics at work, i.e.:

  1. proximity to whiteness,
  2. elevation of European musical norms,
  3. suspicion of embodied/emotional worship,
  4. and the belief that “reverence” looks and sounds culturally white and restrained.

I also think this conversation matters because Adventism is now a global church whose membership is overwhelmingly nonwhite. African, Afro-Caribbean, African-American, and Latin American Adventists have contributed enormously to Adventist worship and music culture worldwide.

So I’m curious what others here think:

  1. Do you think Adventism has historically had discomfort with "Black musical expression"?
  2. How much of the "conservative side" of the SDA Church's idea of "reverent worship", do you think is "biblical" versus "cultural"?

Thoughts?

u/Impressive_Flan_411 — 13 days ago

When will I be ready to get baptized?

Hello! I recently started attending church and have many questions. Recently, someone asked me if I had been baptized, and I told them I wasn't ready for that decision yet. But when will I be ready?

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u/Turbotun — 11 days ago

A friend of mine invited me to a Catholic Mass. My inquiring and curious mind wishes I could go, so I tentatively accepted.

We both follow God and know Jesus is our Lord and Savior...so I think it is OK to go.

Am I right?

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u/Former_Algae_444 — 14 days ago

So you guys inspired me but I dont know how to proceed

So I rarely share personal info on here for privacy but this community has been beyond patient and nice, I am 26 a wheelchair user considered unable to work due to various issues, i ve hit a low point where I wanna finish studies and find a job im able to do, I dont wanna sit on my rear while the world is going bad and I feel this subreddit is my only safe place cuz I dont go out much im not wealthy, few days ago I got out of a gaming adiction that was a huge money sink, I had influenza and spent a week quarantined in my room, this allowed me to reflect and id like to make an NGO one day partnered with ADRA that is made up of lay afventists giving food and clothes to the poor and doing evangelism if they cant with ADRA (for example if like me the diet is hard to follow or they are disabled in some way) id like to do this cuz I wanna help others I dont know what college equivalency or degree I should get for this and id like info, anything beyond college isnt in my means and right now I havnt finished high school, is it too late what should I do in canada

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