r/conorthography

A a → А а

Ą ą → Ѫ ѫ

B b → Б б

C c → Ц ц

Ć ć → Ҷ ҷ

D d → D d

E e → Э э

Ę ę → Ѧ ѧ

F f → Ф ф

G g → Г г

H h → Х х

I i → И и

J j → Й й

K k → К к

L l → Л л

Ł ł → Ў ў

M m → М м

N n → Н н

Ń ń → Њ њ

O o → О о

Ó ó → У у

P p → П п

R r → Р р

S s → С с

Ś ś → Щ щ

T t → Т т

U u → У у

W w → В в

Y y → Ы ы

Z z → З з

Ź ź → Җ җ

Ż ż → Ж ж

Ch ch → Х х

Cz cz → Ч ч

Dz dz → Дз дз

Dź dź → Дҗ дҗ

Dż dż → Дж дж

Rz rz → Ж ж

Sz sz → Ш ш

Szcz → Шч шч

Dzi → Дзи дзи

Ść → Щҷ щҷ

Źdź → Җдҗ

Ie ie Je(beginning of a word, after vowels) → Е е

Ia ia Ja(beginning of a word, after vowels) → Я я

Io io Jo(beginning of a word, after vowels) → Ë ë

Iu iu Ju(beginning of a word, after vowels) → Ю ю

Ię ię Ję(beginning of a word, after vowels) → Ѩ ѩ

Ią ią Ją(beginning of a word, after vowels) → Ѭ ѭ

Example(original): Ojcze nasz, któryś jest w niebie:święć się imię Twoje,przyjdź Królestwo Twoje,bądź wola Twoja,jako w niebie tak i na ziemi.Chleba naszego powszedniego daj nam dzisiaj.I odpuść nam nasze winy,jako i my odpuszczamy naszym winowajcom. I nie wódź nas na pokuszenie,ale nas zbaw ode złego.Amen.

Cyrillization version: Ойчэ наш, ктурыщ ест в небе:щвѩҷ сѩ имѩ Твое,пшыйдҗ Крулэство Твое,бѫдҗ вола Твоя,яко в небе так и на земи.Хлэба нашэго повшэднего дай нам дзисяй.И одпущҷ нам нашэ вины, яко и мы одпушчамы нашым виновайцом. И не вудҗ нас на покушэне,алэ нас збав одэ зўэго. Амэн.

A-A

Á-Á

B-B

C-C

Cs-Č

D-D

Dz-Dz

Dzs-Dž

E-E

É-É

F-F

G-G

Gy-Ď

H-H

I-I

Í-Í

J-J

K-K

L-L

Ly-Ľ (etymological)

M-M

N-N

Ny-Ň (not to be confused with turkmen Ň, the sound is meant to be the same as the czech and slovak Ň)

O-O

Ó-Ó

Ö-Ö

Ő-Ő

P-P

R-R

S-Š

Sz-S

T-T

Ty-Ť

U-U

Ú-Ú

Ü-Ü

Ű-Ű

V-V

Z-Z

Zs-Ž

Sample (normal Hungarian):

Minden ember szabadon születik, és méltósága, valamint jogai egyenlőek. Az emberek ésszel és lelkiismerettel rendelkeznek, ezért egymással szemben testvéri szellemben kell eljárniuk.

Sample (Hungarian with less digraphs):

Minden ember sabadon sületik, és méltošága, valamint jogai eďenlőek. Az emberek éšsel éš lelkiišmerettel rendelkeznek, ezért eďmáššal semben teštvéri sellemben kell eljárniuk

What we basically do in this community is showing you HOW DESPERATELY ENGLISH LANGUAGE NEEDS AN ORTHOGRAPHIC REFORM! We basically take graphemes that in some words indicate a sound, and we put the same grapheme in another word where the same sound is represented with a total different grapheme.

Ex: Y eam vearee heappee too sea eeoo (y from my=I, ea from measures= opened e, ee from see= y in very, oo from book= u sound in to, ea from sea= ee in see -SAME FUCKING SOUND TWO DIFFERENT WRITINGS!, oo= from book, I am very happy to see you).

I you wanna have fun with the shitty pointless english writing system, eeo ear in dea ryt plas!

So I'm making a medieval Iberian conlang (it's not a Romance language, but there is a strong influence, especially orthography wise), and I've been tackling some issues on how to write /k/.

One idea I came up with is that it originally held the classic Iberian distinction between <qu> and <c>, but it became more common for <c> to represent /tʃ ~ ʃ/ based on italian since it has a lot of affricates (z is /ts ~ s/). Now this can go one of two ways, the more Spanish/French influenced way where i js use <c> for /k/ and <ç> for /tʃ ~ ʃ/ (and preferably js drop q all together), or i use <c> soley for /tʃ ~ ʃ/ and reuse <qu> for /k/ - it may also be convenient if the <u> is dropped altogether or get as a diacritic or a small part of a ligature so /k/ is written <q>. Personally, I prefer the latter, since it's more fun and unique, but I wanted a second opinion.

I've also thought that, since my conlang also has pretty strong Greek influences, I could use a variant of kappa, and my initial choice is <x>, since it looks similar to a kappa in cursive. The only problem with this is then how do I decide which letters to borrow from Greek and which not to, do I make /g/ become <y> or <r> based on gamma? Do i make /t/ look like <c>?

I also know many of you will tell me to just use <k>, but that's too easy. Plus, I think <k> is really ugly and just sticks out like a sore thumb, especially amidst it's neighbouring languages (yes, I am aware that Basque uses <k> but that's part of the problem).

Of course, if you guys have any other ideas based on any other nearby orthographies, or different scripts like Greek or even insular, or Gothic, feel free to let me know, my main priorities are that it doesn't overlap with any letters, it looks cool, it's unique, I can actually type it one my computer, and that it is only one letter (though I am flexible on this one, since I know there are some cool possible digraphs).

PS. So I see a lot of you have suggested I just use <c>, which was my original idea, but then I needed a letter for affricate sounds, so I borrowed one from Spanish, and <c> for /k/ seemed a little boring, but if that is that case, what letter should I use for /tʃ ~ ʃ/? Also, I wanted to show a few examples of how words could look:

/i(t)ʃaʃ/ sea, /bokat/ sandwich, /e(t)ɕak/ houses

1. iças, bocat, ejzac
2. ijcas, bocat, ejzac
3. icas, boquat, ejzaq(u)
4. icas, boqat, ejzaq
5. icas, boxat, ejzax

PPS. What are your opinions on using j- for palatalisation (so like jt is /tʃ/ and jd is /dʒ/). Before you say it doesn’t look iberian, it comes from i- in languages like basque, but instead we use j to distinguish the vowel from the modifier, so baina is /baina/ but bajna is /baɲa/. The j could also become an overdot/acute (the acute is literally for ease of typing, but the overdot is more realistic) so bajna becomes bańa, and houses is eźac/q/x.

It's in the case that we will think that English needs a big plan for its orthography for the future.

First, I clearly understand that English spelling is messy, bad and unpredictable and we hate this spelling so much that I got good grades on it even its orthographic system is worse.

We heard that English spelling reform is unthinkable for now on. Actually, I saw on a site that its system froze in 1476. Also, the spelling reform is not for tomorrow, with getting stuck on bad spelling forever.

Consonants:

m = m

n = n

ɲ = ny

ŋ = ng

m̥ = hm

n̥ = hn

ɲ̊ = hny

ŋ̊ = hng

b = b

d = d

dʒ = j

ɡ = g

p = p

t = t

tʃ = c

k = k

ʔ = '

pʰ = ph

tʰ = th

tʃʰ = ch

kʰ = kh

ð = đ

z = z

θ = ŧ

s = s

ʃ = x

sʰ = sh

h = h

l = l

j = y

w = w

l̥ = hl

ʍ = hw

Vowels:

i = i

u = u

e = e

ə = ə

o = o

ɛ = ê

ɔ = ô

a = a

Tones:

Low = a

High = á

Creaky = ạ

Checked = a'

So I'm making a medieval Iberian conlang (it's not a Romance language, but there is a strong influence, especially orthography wise), and I've been tackling some issues on how to write /k/.

One idea I came up with is that it originally held the classic Iberian distinction between <qu> and <c>, but it became more common for <c> to represent /tʃ \~ ʃ/ based on italian since it has a lot of affricates (z is /ts \~ s/). Now this can go one of two ways, the more Spanish/French influenced way where i js use <c> for /k/ and <ç> for /tʃ \~ ʃ/ (and preferably js drop q all together), *or* i use <c> soley for /tʃ \~ ʃ/ and reuse <qu> for /k/ - it may also be convenient if the <u> is dropped altogether or get as a diacritic or a small part of a ligature so /k/ is written <q>. Personally, I prefer the latter, since it's more fun and unique, but I wanted a second opinion.

I've also thought that, since my conlang also has pretty strong Greek influences, I could use a variant of kappa, and my initial choice is <x>, since it looks similar to a kappa in cursive. The only problem with this is then how do I decide which letters to borrow from Greek and which not to, do I make /g/ become <y> or <r> based on gamma? Do i make /t/ look like <c>?

I also know many of you will tell me to just use <k>, but that's too easy. Plus, I think <k> is really ugly and just sticks out like a sore thumb, especially amidst it's neighbouring languages (yes, I am aware that Basque uses <k> but that's part of the problem).

Of course, if you guys have any other ideas based on any other nearby orthographies, or different scripts like Greek or even insular, or Gothic, feel free to let me know, my main priorities are that it doesn't overlap with any letters, it looks cool, it's unique, I can actually type it one my computer, and that it is only one letter (though I am flexible on this one, since I know there are some cool possible digraphs).

PS. So I see a lot of you have suggested I just use <c>, which was my original idea, but then I needed a letter for affricate sounds, so I borrowed one from Spanish, and <c> for /k/ seemed a little boring, but if that is that case, what letter should I use for /tʃ \~ ʃ/? Also, I wanted to show a few examples of how words could look:

/i(t)ʃaʃ/ sea, /bokat/ sandwich, /e(t)ɕak/ houses

1. iças, bocat, ejzac
2. ijcas, bocat, ejzac
3. icas, boquat, ejzaq(u)
4. icas, boqat, ejzaq
5. icas, boxat, ejzax

I saw a post just like this one right here on r/conlangs and noticed that people often use <q> to represent /x/. Holy Jesus! Is that weird? It’s certainly different from what I use in Upanic (Upaanka), which is <c>. Anyway, what sound do you use for it? Just to clarify, I was using it for /q/ (and q̇ for /ʕ̞~ɑ̯/).

If you don't have it in your conlangs, that's fine — just read the comments then.

This was a repost from r/conlangs*. If you wanna see the original post,* here is.

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