New evidence shatters the claim that the Safavids invented their Arab/Alid genealogy after taking power.

New evidence shatters the claim that the Safavids invented their Arab/Alid genealogy after taking power.

a Safavid genealogy dating to the **1460s** that already traces the family through **Musa al-Kazim to Ali ibn Abi Talib**.

That is around **40 years before** Shah Ismail founded the Safavid state in 1501, and it even predates the famous 1485 and 1491 *Safwat al-Safa* manuscripts.
So the claim that the Safavids only fabricated this ancestry after becoming rulers is simply incompatible with the surviving evidence.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 24 days ago

Arab Rule in Azerbaijan: From the Caliphates to the Shirvanshahs

Made this timeline to show how long Arab dynasties ruled Azerbaijan.

Included the Safavids because they claimed Alid descent through Ali, and some claimed Safavid descendants have also reported Y-DNA lineages found among Arab populations.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 28 days ago

Al-Juwayni, Arab origins

Among the Shu’ubiyya crowd and their supporters, al-Juwayni is yet another scholar routinely claimed as non-Arab despite his Arab ancestry.

His family traced its origin to Sinbis, a branch of the Arab tribe of Tayy.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 28 days ago
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The Double Standard Against Arabs in Muslim Political Discussions

Something I keep noticing in online Muslim discussions is a strange double standard.

Whenever Arab identity, Arab history, or Arab unity is mentioned, somebody immediately says:

“Arabs are only around 20% of Muslims. Islam belongs to everyone.”

Fair enough. Islam is universal and obviously does not belong to one ethnicity.

But then the exact same people will turn around and scrutinize Arab countries collectively for practically every political problem in the Muslim world.

Palestine? “Where are the Arabs?”

Western alliances? “Look at the Arabs.”

A bad policy by one Gulf government? Somehow it becomes an indictment of Arabs from Morocco to Iraq.

If Arabs supposedly represent only a minority of the Muslim world, why are they constantly expected to carry responsibility for the entire Ummah?

Non-Arab Muslims make up roughly four-fifths of the world’s Muslims. Yet when Muslims suffer outside the Arab world, people rarely apply the same collective standard.

Where is the equivalent rhetoric of “Where are the non-Arab Muslims?” When are the Turk countries scrutinised when discussing the Uyghur Turks ? Or them having ties with Israel or having a Muslim nation that was the first to recognise Israel . Where is it when discussing the South Asian Muslim responsibility when it comes to the Rohingya Desi? Where is it when discussing Muslims facing persecution or political pressure elsewhere like in Africa etc. ? There are advanced Muslim nations that hardly lift a stone. Especially in South East Asia.

Nobody seriously concludes that Indonesians, Pakistanis, Turks, Bengalis, Central Asians, etc. are collectively responsible because their governments did not solve those crises.

The same principle is not applied to Arabs. They shout Islam is not Arab religion or Arabs are only 20% but indirectly they do act like Islam is an Arab responsibility.

Arab governments have alliances, national interests, rivalries and political limitations just like every other government on Earth.

When it’s Arabs it turns into an ethnic indictment of hundreds of millions of Arabs.

Another contradiction:

Sometimes pan-Islamism online seems to turn into unnecessary hostility toward Arab identity itself, as though Arabs expressing pride in their language, history or heritage somehow threatens Islam.
It doesn’t. pan Arabism is as old as the first Arab Islamic Empires which benefited Islam greatly. Uniting Arab countries is another step in uniting Muslims globally.

Islam is universal, but it also emerged in an Arab environment. The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was Arab. The Qur’an was revealed in Arabic. The earliest Muslim community was overwhelmingly Arab, and the first great expansion of Islam outside Arabia occurred under Arab-led Muslim states and the 4 Arab caliphates and after that Multiple Arab/Arabized or Arab-Islamic medieval Sultanates.

And this is where I really see another double standard.
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A Turk can be proud of Turkish history. A Persian can be proud of Persian history. Kurds can talk about Kurdish identity. Pakistanis can be proud of Pakistan. Amazigh can talk about Amazigh history.
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Nobody suddenly starts screaming that they are betraying the Ummah.
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But the moment an Arab talks about Arab identity, Arab history or Arab solidarity, suddenly it becomes: “nationalism”, “jahiliyyah”, “Islam has no ethnicity”, “we are all one Ummah.”
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Okay. Then keep that same energy for everybody.
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You cannot tell Arabs, “You are only 20% of Muslims, Islam does not revolve around you,” and then every single time something happens in the Muslim world ask, “Where are the Arabs?”
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How does that make sense?
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Criticize Arab governments all you want. I criticize them too. Criticize their alliances, their policies, their mistakes, whatever.
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But there is a massive difference between criticizing a government and constantly putting the responsibility of the whole Muslim world on Arabs.
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Especially when the same people keep reminding us that most Muslims are not even Arab.
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You cannot have it both ways.
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If the Ummah belongs equally to everybody, then its problems belong to everybody too.
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Not only when it is convenient to blame Arabs.

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u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 1 month ago
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Please Keep Yemen in Your Prayers

Yemen is going through a difficult struggle for its sovereignty and future. Please pray that the country will liberate itself from foreign interference, and move toward stability, dignity, and peace.

May Allah protect Yemen and its people. Ameen.

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u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 1 month ago
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The Arab Saadi Sultanate’s military was overwhelmingly built on major Arab Bedouin tribes , unlike the earlier Berber dynasties. (The state that stopped Ottoman advancements)

This book, written by Moroccan historian Nabil Mouline, shows that the Saadian military was heavily Arab in composition.

The dynasty’s military core included the Banu Maʿqil, while Arab tribes also served within the Ahl Sous and Cheraga corps.

The **ʿArab al-Dawla**, or “Arabs of the State,” alone could mobilize around **29,000–30,000 cavalrymen** out of a fully assembled Saadian army of roughly **50,000–60,000 troops**.

This means that the Bedouin Arab forces of the ʿArab al-Dawla by themselves accounted for approximately **half, and possibly close to three-fifths, of the entire mobilized army**.

The overall Arab proportion was higher though once the Arab contingents serving within the Ahl Sous and Cheraga formations are included.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 2 months ago

The Arab Saadi Sultanate’s military was overwhelmingly built on major Arab Bedouin tribes , unlike the earlier Berber dynasties. (The state that stopped Ottoman advancements)

This book, written by Moroccan historian Nabil Mouline, shows that the Saadian military was heavily Arab in composition.

The dynasty’s military core included the Banu Maʿqil, while Arab tribes also served within the Ahl Sous and Cheraga corps.

The ʿArab al-Dawla, or “Arabs of the State,” alone could mobilize around 29,000–30,000 cavalrymen out of a fully assembled Saadian army of roughly 50,000–60,000 troops.

This means that the Bedouin Arab forces of the ʿArab al-Dawla by themselves accounted for approximately half, and possibly close to three-fifths, of the entire mobilized army.

The overall Arab proportion was higher though once the Arab contingents serving within the Ahl Sous and Cheraga formations are included.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 2 months ago
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The Arab “Abdul El-Sayed” has defeated Haley Stevens in the Michigan Senate Democratic Primary

El-Sayed wants to abolish ICE, give driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, “defund the police” in some respects, and make college tuition free.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 2 months ago

Arab Abdul El-Sayed has defeated Haley Stevens in the Michigan Senate Democratic Primary.

El-Sayed wants to abolish ICE, give driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, “defund the police” in some respects, and make college tuition free.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 2 months ago

Abdul El-Sayed has defeated Haley Stevens in the Michigan Senate Democratic Primary.

El-Sayed wants to abolish ICE, give driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, “defund the police” in some respects, and make college tuition free.

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 2 months ago
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Moulay Ismail (1645–1727) was the Sultan of Morocco from 1672 to 1727. Moulay Ismail holds the Guinness World Record for the person with the most children in history; he had at least 1,042 children. Europeans considered him cruel, greedy, merciless, and duplicitous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail\_Ibn\_Sharif

The main character traits of Moulay Ismail, according to the chronicles and legends of his period, were his "tendency to order and authority, as well as his iron will." He put his strength and power at the service of this unyielding will, "If God gave me the kingship, man cannot take it from me," he is reported to have said. This will was always apparent in his actions and decisions.[37] According to Dominique Busnot, the colour of his clothes was linked to his mood,

Green is the sweetest colour; white is a good sign for those appealing to him; but when he is dressed in yellow, all the world trembles and flees his presence because it is the colour that he chooses on the days of his bloodiest executions.

— Dominique Busnot Histoire du regne de Mouley Ismael roy de Moroc, Fez, Tafilet, Soutz etc (1704) p.38.

According to contemporary Europeans, Moulay Ismail was considered cruel, greedy, merciless, and duplicitous. It was his cruelty and viciousness that particularly attracted their attention. Legends of the ease with which Ismail could behead or torture laborers or servants he thought to be lazy are numerous. According to a Christian slave, Moulay Ismail had more than 36,000 people killed over a 26-year period of his reign. According to François Pidou de Saint Olon, Moulay Ismail had 20,000 people assassinated over a twenty-year period of his reign. He was described by many authors, including Dominique Busnot, as a "bloodthirsty monster". However, researchers such as Richard Bordeaux Parker opined that frequently-told stories about the ten of thousands of Christian slaves' forced labours and the large dungeons where they were kept were exaggerated from the accounts of European ambassadors who visited Isma'il's court. Bordeaux Parker and Jonathan M. Bloom found the number of Christian slaves was likely closer to a few thousand at most and the chambers which suspected as slave prisons were actually storage rooms for grain and food supplies. The urban legends about Qara Prison holding thousands of them are disputed by Marianne Barrucand as she opined it is largely for food silos.

Moulay Ismail was also a very good horseman, with great physical strength, agility, and extraordinary cleverness, which he maintained even in his old age. "One of his normal entertainments was to draw his sword as he mounted his horse and decapitate the slave who held the stirrup."

His physical appearance is almost always described in the same way by the Europeans. He had "a long face, more black than white, i.e. very mulatto," according to Saint-Amans, ambassador of Louis XIV, who added that "he is the strongest and most vigorous man of his State." He was of average height and he inherited the colour of his face from his mother, who had been a black slave.

According to Germain Moüette, a French captive who lived in Morocco until 1682:

"He is a vigorous man, well-built, quite tall but rather slender... his face is a clear brown colour, rather long, and its features are all quite well-formed. He has a long beard that is slightly forked. His expression, which seems quite soft, is not a sign of his humanity – on the contrary, he is very cruel..."

— Germain Moüette Relation de la captivité du Sr. Mouette dans les royaumes de Fez et de Maroc, p.150

"A faithful and pious follower of his religion", he attempted to convert King James II of England to Islam, sending him letters whose sincerity and religious feeling are inarguable. Dominique Busnot, who was generally critical of Ismail, asserted that "he had a great attachment to his Law and publicly practiced all the ceremonies, ablutions, prayers, fasts, and feasts with scrupulous precision."

He enjoyed debating theology with the Trinitarians in Morocco on points of controversy. On many occasions when returning from the mosque on Fridays, he asked for Trinitarians to be brought into his court. During a debate with the fathers of Mercy, he said this:

"I have said enough for a man who uses reason; if you are stubborn, that is too bad. We are all children of Adam and therefore brothers; it is the only religion that creates a difference between us. It is, therefore, as a brother and in obedience to the commandments of my law that I charitably advise you that the true religion is that of Muhammad, which is the only one in which one can find salvation. I give you this advice for the sake of my conscience and to be justified in charging you on the day of judgment."

— Moulay Ismail

Moulay Ismail was a serial polygamist.[

According to the writings of the French Trinitarian priest Father Dominique Busnot, Moulay Ismail had at least 500 concubines and at least 600 living children in 1704, which did not include his daughters by his four principal wives. Busot reports the rumor that any others were ordered to be strangled at birth. Historian Abd al-Rahman Ibn Zaydan recorded children of around 68 wedded wives and eight unnamed slave concubines from the royal birth registers kept during the reign of Sidi Mohammed III. He specifies that upon Ismail's death the full number of his wives and harem slave concubines was 700. The final total is uncertain: the Guinness Book of Records claims 1,042, with no source. Based on Busnot's 1704 figures, Elisabeth Oberzaucher and Karl Grammer of the University of Vienna calculated Ismail could have fathered approximately 1,171 children in a 32-year reproductive span. The historian Al Zayani, who was in charge of royal protocol under Sultan Sidi Mohammed III, recounts that with his own eyes he saw the exhaustive list of Moulay Ismail's children and that his descendants occupied 500 houses in Sijilmasa. He also specified that the list to which he had access did not contain the names of Moulay Ismail's children who had no descendants.

A partial restoration of Moulay Ismail's descent through his wives and slave concubines is listed below. His first recorded marriage was in 1670; the order of his nuptials are unclear after his first recorded spouse. Posterity did not remember many of the full names of his wives, and following Muslim traditions, slave concubines do not have a last name, and are renamed at the time of their conversion to Islam. Their birth names were not subject to meticulous safeguarding, which is why few of these women are identifiable by their birth name. The descendants of his wives who have a full name or biography are listed first, then those of his wives who do not have a full name, then a partial list of his descendants through his slave concubines:

- A daughter of a Saadi prince, married on 5 April 1670, at Dar Ben Chegra in Fez. According to Al Zayani it was during the month of Shawwal, while Ahmad ibn Khalid an-Nasiri states it took place 14 of Dhu al-Qadah 1080 in Islamic calendar. The wedding probably took place between the two dates thus March to 5 April 1670, AD, as royalty often had a seven-days wedding. Whether they had issue is not stated.

- A daughter of Shaykh Al-Lawati who was the widow of his half-brother Sultan Moulay Rashid. She was from the oriental Rif region, her father was Cheick of his Arab Maqil or Berber tribe. The wedding happened after 9 April 1672, but his date of marriage is unclear. Whether they had issue is not stated.

- Lalla Aisha Mubarka. The origins of this lady are unclear, initially, she was a jarya (slave concubine) of Sultan Moulay Rashid. Sources claim that Moulay Ismail brought her from his brother in the early 1670s and ended up marrying her. Lalla Aisha Mubarka (or Zaydana after her firstborn son Zaydan) was one of Moulay Ismail's much-esteemed wives. She was described as a woman of great intuition. About her, Moulay Ismail was quoted saying that: "she was wiser than most men". She had substantial influence over Ismail and sought to get her son Moulay Zaydan enthroned for many years before he was finally secretly executed by his father in 1708. They had several children among them Moulay Zaydan, Sultan Moulay Ahmad al-Dhahbi and Sultan Moulay Ali.

- Lalla Ma'azuza Malika. In the late 1720s John Braithwaite member of the British consulate in Morocco explains that Ma'azuza was not so much in the favors of Moulay Ismail. Their sons were Sultan Moulay Abdalmalik, Moulay Abd al Rahman and Moulay Hussein.

- Lalla Khanatha bint Bakkar, married in 1678. She was from the Mghafra tribe of the Awlad Hassān, the aristocratic caste of the Beidane. Khnata bint Bakkar, daughter of the Grand Sheikh Bakkar al-Mghafri, was famous for her beauty, intelligence, and learning. Her family seat is in the region of Sbouya, commonly referred to as Oued Noun. Her children with Moulay Ismail are Moulay Mohammed, Moulay Hafiz, Moulay Mehrez, Moulay Mohammed al-Mutais and Sultan Moulay Abdallah.

- Lalla Alwa Benabiz. They had ten children seven sons and three daughters, one of whom was Moulay Ṣafā (Muley Spha), he was Thomas Pellow's first master.

Lalla Aouda Doukalia, date of wedding unknown. Her surname might suggest origins from the Doukkala tribe. Their children were Sultan Al-Mustadi, Moulay Bi'nassir, another Moulay Hussein, and other unnamed children.

Princess Nassira el-Salwi bint Mohammed el-Heyba originally from Brakna, married the latter either in 1678/9 or in 1690. Whether they had descendants is not indicated.

Lalla Halima Al Sufyaniyah, married around 1707 (Thomas Pellow accounts of her favorite son aged 8 circa 1715). She was from the Doukkala region and is the daughter of Cheikh Ali bin Hussein of Bani Sweid, from the Sufiyan tribe of Hilali Arab origins. Her son was Moulay Zeydan Seghir (born c. 1707).

- Lalla Um'el'Iz Tabba'a, date of wedding and origins unknown. Her son was another Moulay Abdallah.

Abhar Doukalia, she was the mother of Mussa al-Hadi.

Fatima Ouardighiya, her son is a third son named Abdallah.

- Zahra al-Malikiya. she was the mother of Al-Ishwa and Al-Cheick Saghir.

- Mask'al'Juyub Soufiyania, she was the mother of Abd al-Malik.

- Rahma al Salaouia. she was a native of Salé, her son is Mohammed.

- Fidah Doukalia, she was the mother of Abdallah Boumnad.

- Maria al-Aljaa, she was the mother of Moulay Binaser and Al-Mu'atamid.

- Sounah al-Dir'iyah, she was the mother of Al-Walid al Mouthalath.

- Ruqiya al-Saidiya (not Sa'adiya), she was the mother of Mohammed.

- Um'el'Saad Malikiya, her sons are Al Harran and Mehrez.

Jamila al-Malikiya, She was the mother of Moulay Moustada.

Thhe name Chaouia means an origin from Chaouia, a geographical area which can also be a tribe. A large number of Moulay Ismail's wives were designated as "Chaouia".

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 2 months ago
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The “Six Sunni Hadith Scholars Were Persian”

  • Al-Bukhari: Born in Bukhara, Central Asia. He was of local Iranian or Central Asian ancestry and was a mawla of Banu Juʿfi.
  • Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj: Born in Nishapur, Iran. He was an Arab from Banu Qushayr.
  • Abu Dawud: Born in Sijistan. He was an Arab from the Azd tribe.
  • Al-Tirmidhi: Born near Tirmidh, Central Asia. He was traditionally identified as an Arab from Banu Sulaym.
  • Al-Nasaʾi: Born in Nasa, Khurasan. His exact ancestry is unknown, and there is no solid proof that he was Persian.
  • Ibn Majah: Born in Qazvin, Iran. He was likely of local Iranian ancestry and was a mawla of Rabiʿa.

What does Mawla mean: A mawla was a client or affiliate attached to an Arab tribe without being related by blood, often a freed slave or non-Arab convert under the tribe’s protection.

(They were not always non-Arab, but after the Arab-Islamic conquests, many mawali were non-Arabs from the conquered Islamic regions.)

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 3 months ago

Did you know Ibrahim Pasha the one who almost destroyed the Ottoman Empire hadn’t it been for European powers who intervened , considered himself Arab

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 3 months ago
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Did you know Ibrahim Pasha the one who almost destroyed the Ottoman Empire hadn’t it been for European powers who intervened , considered himself Arab

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 3 months ago

Did you know Ibrahim Pasha the one who almost destroyed the Ottoman Empire hadn’t it been for European powers who intervened , considered himself Arab

u/Arabian_Home_Roots — 3 months ago