Purpose of the Silos

So I was thinking about why the senator at the end of the last episode asked if they wanted to save humanity and how that tied into the nature of the silos.

The silos are a multi-generational project that seems to be trying to create a perfect population for compliance. It’s possible that this is to engineer some perfect population for a post apocalyptic world that won’t screw it up again, but if the world beyond the hills is mostly fine, then why confine people like this?

I propose that it’s to prepare for generational arc ships to colonize other planets because Earth is doomed in some way. Whether that’s resource shortages or something else.
The population that would emerge out of the Silos are one well suited to space travel, less likely to rebel, able to maintain technical mastery over their environment, and capable of making hard sacrifices.

This would allow for the world outside to be mostly normal, if degraded in quality, while having a plausible reason to have the silos at all.

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 11 days ago

There is no “1867 Issue”

While I understand the excitement of digging into historical statutes and trying to interpret them and use one’s own reason to discover truths, I think that the way this “issue” is being promoted is falling into the same exact problems as the supposed “1947 Question”. Both of these alleged issues are a result of fundamental misreadings and failing to look at the wider context of legislation and legislative intent. Further, a lot of discourse is based on speculation about how the IRCC might interpret the law as if it were equally likely with the fact they won’t, but that isn’t the case. It’s exceeding unlikely because it is not a plausible interpretation of the law. 

IANAL, but neither are the people promoting this narrative, and all of us have probably learned more about colonial British statutes in the last few weeks than we ever thought we would. But I’m going to lay out why the “strict 1867 reading” is not a correct interpretation. 

To start, the idea rests on a fundamental question: who was born in Canada? It is unambiguous that anyone born in Canada has the ability to pass down citizenship to their child as if they were citizens under C3 (and earlier amendments like 2015). This is the basis for all claims of citizenship by descent. 

The claim here is that there is a possible interpretation that “Canada” did not really exist prior to Confederation and therefore people who were born in PEI, Nova Scotia, Quebec and so on before 1867 were not actually born in “Canada”. There is a belief that the IRCC might interpret the law this way and only those who were born post confederation (or who died while domiciled in Canada before confederation) can pass down citizenship. This is fundamentally wrong and not an interpretation that can hold up to scrutiny. 

Now it’s important to distinguish the two different ways it is wrong. 1) it is wrong legally. If the IRCC did adopt this position it would be immediately challenged in the courts and they would lose 2) there is good reason to believe that they are not contemplating adopting this interpretation 

The 1946 Citizenship Act serves as the basis for establishing the category of Canadian citizen distinct from a British Subject who possessed Canadian Domicile. The relevant passage for our purposes reads as follow:

Part 1
4. A person, born before the commencement of this
Act, is a natural-born Canadian citizen:—
(a) if he was bom in Canada or on a Canadian ship and
has not become an alien at the commencement of this
Act; or
( b ) It he was born outside of Canada elsewhere than on a
Canadian ship and his father, or in the ease of a person
bom out of wedlock, his mother
(i) was born in Canada or on a Canadian ship and
had not become an alien at the time of that person's
birth, or
(ii) was, at the time of that person’s birth, a British
subject who had Canadian domicile,
if, at the commencement of this Act, 

Nowhere in this text, nor the wider Act, does it reference the British North America/Constitution Act of 1867. It simply states that those born in “Canada” are natural born Canadian citizens. 

Proponents of the “strict interpretation” argue that this doesn’t matter because Canada was created by the Constitution Act of 1867 and therefore the 1946 Act is implicitly limited to those born on or after its enactment. But where do they get this idea from? 

Two sources: 1) a misreading of the part of the Constitution Act which defines Canada for the purposes of the Act 2) a common sense notion that since the Canadian federal government, as a union of provinces, traces its origin to the Act, that laws referencing Canada must be referring to that legal entity. 

The first source of confusion is rooted in Part 2 Section 4 of the Constitution Act:
Unless it is otherwise expressed or implied, the Name Canada shall be taken to mean Canada as constituted under this Act.

There are two important elements to understand here. First, this definition only applies within the text of the Act for the purpose of distinguishing the new federal entity from the earlier Province of Canada. This act did not establish a new exclusive definition of Canada. Second, the word “constituted” does not mean “created”. The preceding language in section 2 specifies that what is being constituted is a union of the various provinces. These provinces became constituent parts of the Dominion of Canada. This includes the Province of Canada. Canada, as in the country within the British empire, already existed before 1867 but it gained a new federal government and was expanded to include more provinces. 
The second source of confusion, the “common sense” I mentioned earlier is what’s called a category mistake. It confuses the particular legal entity of the state with the country itself.  

A country can have a change in government and constitution while maintaining continuity. People born during the 4th French Republic are still French, and born in France despite there being a 5th Republic now. People born in the Irish Free State remained born in Ireland after the Republic was proclaimed, and people born in the English Commonwealth were still born in England even after the restoration of the monarchy. There is a reason Hayer speculated that c3 claims are likely limited by the Fall of New France, because this is when Canada as a geographic and political entity was born. 

There is also very important context that is needed here. The 1867 Act explicitly lays out legal continuity with the earlier Province of Canada and states that proclamations made under its great seal continue in effect as if the act of union had not happened. It also affirms several other aspects of continuity. Further, there are numerous laws referencing Canada as a territory in the British parliament before 1867, and laws passed in both Canada and the UK which reference pre-confederation statutes. Something that is easy to miss is that while the federal government of Canada began in 1867, until 1982, it was subject to the British parliament and its governance over the territory of Canada, which preceded its creation, was in principle at the discretion of the UK. 

Moreover, when we are talking about what the IRCC will likely do on the balance of probabilities we can look at this reporting of their internal communications. https://www.marinimmigrationlaw.ca/blog/inside-ircc-5-things-we-learned-from-our-access-to-information-request-on-bill-c-3-and-citizenship-by-descent

The IRCC told its members that determining if someone would have been a citizen but for their death in 1947 may require going back to the Naturalization Act of 1868. At first this may seem disheartening because this act was passed after confederation. However, there’s a couple things to keep in mind. First, this act is explicitly dealing with people who were not born in Canada. Whether someone was a natural born Canadian but for their death prior to 1947 cannot be determined by this text. But second and more importantly the naturalization Act of 1868 explicitly confirms pre-confederation naturalizations as valid.  This means that if your ancestor was naturalized in the Province of Canada or Nova Scotia etc, before 1867 under the laws of those provinces, you held Canadian domicile status just like someone who immigrated after confederation. It also explicitly recognizes people who had been in Canada for three years prior to the Act, as valid naturalization candidates, which includes people who immigrated before 1867.

So someone in this situation, who then later moved abroad, would qualify under the 2015 and 2025 laws because despite losing their domiciled subject status when they later moved outside Canada like anyone born after confederation   

It would be quite absurd for the IRCC to take the position that someone who was naturalized in Canada before confederation has a more valid claim on citizenship but for their death to pass down to their heirs than someone born in Canada before confederation. 

So the fact that the IRCC is already referencing texts that explicitly include people born before 1867, in the form of naturalized subjects, is a strong indication that they are not going to draw an arbitrary limit at confederation. 

I know this is a long read, and people may have big emotional stakes in one side or another of this discussion, but I hope that it serves to calm unfounded fears. 

u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 12 days ago
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(Spoilers Extended) The Nature of Prophecy

Something I think that people are really missing when talking about prophecies in ASOIAF is that they don’t necessarily have to come true. Destiny isn’t actually set in stone.

It’s not just that prophecy is ambiguous and open to interpretation which people may get wrong. This happens when Daemon II Blackfyre for example misinterpreted his vision of a dragon egg hatching at Lord Butterwell’s wedding. It was really Egg hatching as a Tagaryen Prince.

But we see a prophecy literally fail with the Dosh Khaleen’s prophecy that Rhaego would be the Stallion that Mounts the World failing. In part it’s his destiny that was sacrificed to bring back a catatonic Drogo.

It may be that destiny in Planetos is much more like being a ta'veren in the Wheel of Time series, where there’s a magnetic pull towards certain futures, but free will nonetheless plays a decisive role precisely for those individuals with destiny. Or maybe destiny is open ended and after it fails, reality twists to realize it in a different way so as to reconcile with free will.

Perhaps Rhaegar actually was the Prince that was Promised and Planetos is a doomed world. Choosing the love of Lyanna over duty may have cost more than his family. Maybe some other destiny must fill the role of the failed chosen one. It’s especially noteworthy that Rheago was named for a failed chosen one and is himself a failed chosen one.

So when it comes to stuff like Dany is going to bring ruin, Jon appearing in Mel’s visions as Azor Ahai, or even Patchface’s visions from the Drowned God (presumably), there’s no actual guarantee that they will be realized. They may just be possible futures that have a stronger pull than others.

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 19 days ago
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(Spoilers extended) The Chequy Lion

At the end of The Sworn Sword, I got kinda sad thinking about how when Ser Eustace Osgrey dies, the Chequy Lion will die out.

It’s true that both Ser Eustace and Lady Rohanne get something they want. Osgrey gets to die in his ancestral castle waiving his banner, and Lady Rohanne gets to fulfill her father’s will and rule in her own right when her new husband dies. Dunk also gets to feel satisfied in his honor. But I feel like there was an option to go further here.

House Osgrey could have continued like how Corlys Velaryon sought to keep his house name alive through Jace and Luke. It would be a win win for everyone involved. Not only would the banner of the Chequy Lion go on, but the men bearing it would be tall and strong warriors. Plus Ser Eustace basically wished Dunk could have been his son. Lady Rohanne fancied Dunk in the first place and clearly wishes to be a mother. It would also secure her place without requiring her to remarry or whelp a (publicly recognized) bastard after Ser Eustace dies. And Dunk would obv benefit in the short term.

It’s already canonical that Dunk got it on all over the Seven Kingdoms, so it really feels like a missed opportunity unless GRRM retcons it in in Dunk’s internal monologue in a later novella.

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 24 days ago
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AITA for telling my husband to get over “being cucked by his twin”

Okay to start off: no I did not cheat on my husband. All of our children were conceived by the two of us having sex.

About two years ago our daughter was having some bloodwork done and my husband noticed that her blood type didn’t match his or mine. This led to accusations of cheating, which while hurtful, were understandable from his position. Our daughter also has some features that likely come from my dad’s side and none of us ever knew him. But to settle the matter I insisted we get a paternity test.

It turned out that the “father” was essentially a close DNA relative, over 50% matching DNA. My husband was an only child and his father had been dead for many years. After a lot of questions, my MiL tells us that my husband absorbed his twin brother in the womb. And so I guess my husband’s testes are his twin brothers.

My husband has been really upset by this and keeps claiming that our kids aren’t “really his” and recently even cried in my lap about how he was never going to have a “real legacy”. I was fairly supportive, even in spite of his initial accusations about my faithfulness, but at this point I started to feel like he should just realize it doesn’t actually change anything about our family.

After an argument last night where I told him he was blowing it out of proportion and needed to move on and just focus on what we’ve built together, he took off to stay with his mom for a few days. Now I’ve got my own mom calling me and telling me I should be more sensitive to his feelings. Am I the asshole?

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Update:. We had a conversation since I posted the original post and he wants to get tested to see if one of his testicles has his own dna, or look into other options and try for another child. I’m not sure if I am ready to have another child with him, but I am also not sure if our relationship will last if I refuse.

He has also insisted that it’s “easy for me” because our daughter has my dna. But I would love her even if she was adopted….

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 11 days ago

What if Henry Ford had been a Stalinist instead of a Nazi?

It’s fairly well known that Ford was a Nazi sympathizing antisemite. He even received a medal from Hitler. Of course he enormously supported the US war effort against Germany, but that didn’t change his general sympathies with Nazi ideology.

However, he was very similar to earlier Utopian Socialists like Robert Owen, with a lot of concern for the conditions of his workers. This took some unhealthy turns to surveilling their personal lives to ensure moral behavior, but also involved providing a lot of amenities and better working conditions than competitors.

It’s less well known that the USSR under Lenin and Stalin practically worshipped Ford and similar industrialist figures. They hired Ford to build an auto factory in 1929 and there’s tons of Communist literature from the era praising Ford, Frank and Lilian Gilbreth and Frederick Taylor. Stalin is quoted saying “The combination of the Russian revolutionary sweep with American efficiency is the essence of Leninism.” Lenin was infatuated with Ford’s innovations in the assembly line and scientific transformation of work. Trotsky and others deeply admired it. Even some anarchist thinkers at the time were critically inspired by the general principles he represented.

This wasn’t just inside the USSR, Diego Rivera said “Marx made theory... Lenin applied it with his sense of large-scale social organization... And Henry Ford made the work of the socialist state possible.”

So what happens if this one sided love affair was actually reciprocated? If Ford embraces his portrayal as a Historically Progressive Bourgeois and adopts a form of communist ideology (that leaves room for “great men of vision” like himself of course)?

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 28 days ago

Building goodwill

Forgive me if this is considered off topic, but I feel like a really good way to demonstrate our commitment to Canada and show that even though we weren’t born on the soil we care about our country is to do something as a wider community of Canadians by descent to help victims of the big wildfires that are happening.

Seeing how devastating they are in the news is completely heartbreaking and shocking. These are our fellow countrymen who are being driven from homes and livelihoods because of a problem created by the whole world. I’m not saying that we need to earn acceptance or anything, but these are our countrymen and future neighbors who need solidarity now more than ever.

I’ve never set up a fundraiser before so I feel like it would be a team effort. Maybe it could be posted in the various Facebook groups and the other subreddits?

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 1 month ago

Changes of government

Something I’ve found a little concerning that Hayer has said on recent discussions is that in principle even 10 years down the road, a hostile government could reinterpret the citizenship act as amended by c3 to exclude groups that are eligible for recognition under the current interpretation. This may include those with the alleged “1947 gap” reading for instance.

Are there any protections in place for people who’ve made their lives in Canada? That seems like a very unreasonable sword of Damocles to hang over someone’s head?

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 2 months ago
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(Spoilers Extended) King Bran

It is commonly cited “Bran will be King” is a plot point D&D got from GRRM so it has to happen even if it happens differently. But it’s unclear what being “king” actually means, and it’s very unlikely that Bran will be King of the Seven/Six kingdoms as a legal entity descended from Aegon’s conquest.

Other possibilities include:

Bran becomes King of an independent North.

Bran becomes the Night’s King and possibly wins

Jon becomes King as a thrall of tree-wizard Bran warging into him

Bran succeeds Dany and Jon after her natural death or assassination and Jon’s death or disappearance as his next male of kin.

Bran becomes King of the surviving remnant after an apocalypse and begins rebuilding Westeros (a homage to Bran the Builder)

Bran does become a creepy tree wizard king and sets up an elective monarchy as a form of human sacrifice so he can transfer between bodies forever.

Bran becomes some kind of Solstice King figure and is himself a sacrifice at the end of the series like the Pentoshi Princes.

Some of these are sort of similar to the show ending, but there’s really no way to know what GRRM originally intended, if he does end up going through with it. Especially since in the original pitch for the story it wasn’t a part of it at all, and was just something emerging from the garden.

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 2 months ago

The Red Wolf

If Rickon is successfully saved by Davos and declares for Stannis as lord of Winterfell, it would be interesting if he embraces the Red God. We really don’t know much about his personality beyond the fact that he’s wild. That may bias him toward the old gods or impiety, but the red faith seems pretty chill with Wargs if Mel is anything to go by. He’s also somewhat of a redhead, so it would be interesting if he had a nickname like the above.

I’m curious what people think Rickon will be like if he is found alive and brought back? Will he be a savage cannibal? Or a feral brute with little facility with human speech? Or maybe just super aggressive and volatile?

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 2 months ago
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(Spoilers main) Ned should have sent Jon to White Harbor

One of Ned’s concerns with Jon is what to do with him when he leaves for King’s Landing. The Wall was of course what was decided, but I don’t think it was the only option. He couldn’t take Jon to KL because of the risk of Robert discovering his true identity, plus the mistreatment he would likely face from the Lannisters. It would have meant him having a whole second job trying to figure out a way to give Jon something to do there that keeps him out of the way on top of running the realm. And of course Cat wasn’t going to tolerate him in Winterfell without Ned.

But why couldn’t he have sent Jon to squire for the Manderly’s? Sure Jon followed the old gods, but so did Jorah presumably. There’s no reason Jon couldn’t keep both sets of gods. It would have allowed Jon a chance at valor and potentially earning his own minor lordship through good service to Wyman, eventually Robb or some other suitable lord. He may have gone off to earn his fortune with the Second Sons, or still gone to the Watch if he felt so inclined.

This would have made everyone but Lord Commander Mormont (Man needed every able bodied male he could get) happy.

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 2 months ago
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(Spoilers extended) Ironborn and kings blood

So this is kind of silly, but since we don’t actually know how King’s blood works, there’s a lot of possibilities. Does Mance have it just because the free folk follow him? Is Craster a King?

It’s said that among the Ironborn, every captain is a king aboard his own ship. Does it go that far? It seems absurd, but maybe king’s blood is about those who have the obedience and belief of others without themselves owing it to another above them? A lot of magic systems are in part based on collective will. Maybe Moqorro is sitting on top of a veritable arsenal of sacrifice victims in the iron fleet?

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 3 months ago
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(Spoilers Extended) Unpopular Opinion: Robert was worse than Rhaegar in every way

People rightly criticize Rhaegar for wrecking his family and for the fact Lyanna was way too young when they ran off in the most charitable interpretation possible. But even if he did kidnap her, Robert was trying to do the same thing, he wanted to take Lyanna by force and essentially force her into sexual slavery through a non consensual marriage, and he committed many more serious sex crimes. Yet people fondly talk about him because they read him through Ned’s rose tinted PoV.

For one, Robert sired a bastard on a child so young it made Ned deeply uncomfortable. This is a society where 15 is considered an adult for the purpose of marriage. He’s a pedophile who kept an Epstein-tier whoremonger in his small council and very likely indulged in even more.

He sired tons of bastards which opened up a huge succession issue. Including a recognized male bastard he kept at Storms End. This represents a huge threat to the stability of the realm, its only happenstance that Renly was vain and stupid enough to try to make himself king instead of pressing Eric Storm’s claim and ruling through him.

He raped Cersei multiple times, and beat her. He lied to Ned when he implies that when he hit her in front of him it was the first time, as we learn from Cersei’s PoV later. Robert is a sexual monster and wife beater.

He was also enormously corrupt and is responsible for essentially destroying the seven kingdoms’ finances right before a major multi year winter for good measure.

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 3 months ago
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If George did the time skip [Spoilers Main, Extended, Published, Production]

Reading another thread here where people were discussing how GRRM could have handled Cersei with the time skip, by having her sent to Casterly Rock in favor of Kevan as hand and regent where she becomes even more bitter and paranoid. Someone also mentioned how Stoneheart and the BWOB could have just stretched out their hangings of Freys and Lannisters because there’s so many.

I think that these two changes would dovetail very nicely. The Brotherhood could expand into the Westerlands and target families like the Westerlings and Spicers, potentially wiping them out and doing a second destruction of Castamere since they got it as blood payment for betraying Robb. Cersei could become increasingly unhinged as the Brotherhood closes in on her, and Nightfires start dotting the hills of the West. It would turn the Brotherhood into something like a larger beachhead for Dany’s return, since the red faith has endorsed her, and for it to be a darker reign of terror, given the direction LSH has taken them.

They might have also taken up activity in the Vale to go after Littlefinger for his betrayal of Ned if LSH suspected it, or at least Lysa for her betrayal of her family by refusing to help Robb. This would have spread the red faith even further. We know it’s spreading in the North with Stannis converting wildlings and allied northern nobles, and likely has a presence in the Stormlands thanks to Stannis. We also have mention of it being present in Dorne. Couple this with the Faith of the Seven militarizing, we could have a growing low grade religious civil war destabilizing the 7 kingdoms more and explaining a lot of minor character deaths.

Tbh, I feel like GRRM could still do a time skip halfway through TWOW if he ties some key threads up in the first half.

I’m curious if others have thoughts about what might have been given room to grow with the time skip?

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u/Beautiful_Common_940 — 3 months ago