Clay's pricing change is breaking agency margins

Had the same conversation with 3 clay certified agency owners last month

Quick content:

-Clay moved to dual meter pricing in march (credits + actions)

-Bills now swing 30-50% month to month

-Agencies can't confidently price there work anymore

-3 agencies I know moved off Clay last month

The problem isn't that clay is very expensive, actual problem is: agency margins depend on predictable costs

When a workflow costs you $4k one month and $6k the next.. with no obvious change for the client, someone absorbs the difference. Either the agency loses margin or the client questions the invoice, and the biggest change is.. actions.

Every workflow step, AI call, CRM write and automation is billable, specially ****automation heavy agencies, that's where most of the bill now comes from and it's the hardest part to forecast.

These 3 agencies I spoke to:

-Run outbound for early stage saas

-Enterprise account research

-Fractional revops

Totally different ICPs and price points. All 3 rebuilt workflows to reduce action usage first and eventually said they were spending more time managing clay than building for clients.

(I run a clay alternative and 2 of these 3 switched to us. That's why agency owners tell me this stuff. But the advice below applies whether you choose us or any other tool)

Before choosing any tool, ask an agency that's been using it for 6+ months:

-What does your bill actually look like each month?

-Has pricing been predictable?

-Would you choose the same tool again?

That's where you'll learn what owning the tool actually feels like.

I think more then a clay problem, It's what happens when usage based pricing meets service business margins.

Clay was first. I wouldn't be surprised if more gtm tools head the same way.

Anyone else seeing this? Especially curious whether in house revops teams are starting to feel it too or if this is still mostly agencies

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 3 days ago

Clay's pricing change is breaking agency margins

Had the same conversation with 3 clay certified agency owners last month

Quick content:

-Clay moved to dual meter pricing in march (credits + actions)

-Bills now swing 30-50% month to month

-Agencies can't confidently price there work anymore

-3 agencies I know moved off Clay last month

The problem isn't that clay is very expensive, actual problem is: agency margins depend on predictable costs

When a workflow costs you $4k one month and $6k the next.. with no obvious change for the client, someone absorbs the difference. Either the agency loses margin or the client questions the invoice, and the biggest change is.. actions.

Every workflow step, AI call, CRM write and automation is billable, specially ****automation heavy agencies, that's where most of the bill now comes from and it's the hardest part to forecast.

These 3 agencies I spoke to:

-Run outbound for early stage saas

-Enterprise account research

-Fractional revops

Totally different ICPs and price points. All 3 rebuilt workflows to reduce action usage first and eventually said they were spending more time managing clay than building for clients.

(I run a clay alternative and 2 of these 3 switched to us. That's why agency owners tell me this stuff. But the advice below applies whether you choose us or any other tool)

Before choosing any tool, ask an agency that's been using it for 6+ months:

-What does your bill actually look like each month?

-Has pricing been predictable?

-Would you choose the same tool again?

That's where you'll learn what owning the tool actually feels like.

I think more then a clay problem, It's what happens when usage based pricing meets service business margins.

Clay was first. I wouldn't be surprised if more gtm tools head the same way.

Anyone else seeing this? Especially curious whether in house revops teams are starting to feel it too or if this is still mostly agencies

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 3 days ago

Hiring for SDR Intern - Stipend 1 lac/month

We're hiring an SDR Intern at Bitscale.

Bitscale is building AI tools for outbound sales teams, helping them identify the right prospects and run more effective outbound campaigns.

We're looking for someone who is excited about learning B2B sales and is comfortable speaking with prospects over the phone.

The role involves:

-Cold calling prospects in the India market

-Understanding their requirements and qualifying interest

-Pitching Bitscale's product

-Booking meetings for our sales team

Details:

-3-month internship to start

-Upto ₹1,00,000/month including ₹30,000/month fixed

-Gurgaon (in-office)

- Full time opportunity

If this sounds like a good fit for you or someone you know, feel free to DM me.

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 3 days ago

We're profitable at 7-figure ARR and i still can't tell if we have product-market fit

On paper we're doing well. profitable, 7-figure arr, customers switching to us from clay/.

but here's the thing i can't answer honestly: do people buy us because the product is genuinely better, or because we're cheaper and we hold their hand through setup in a way a $100m company can't?

those are very different things. one is product-market fit. the other is a service business wearing a saas costume, and that doesn't scale the same way.

the test i keep coming back to: if we doubled our price and dropped the white-glove onboarding, how many customers stay? i honestly don't know yet. and until i do, i don't think we can call it PMF. revenue isn't the same as pull.

curious how other founders think about this. when did you actually believe you had fit, not just revenue?

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 13 days ago

We built a Clay/Zoominfo alternative. 7-figure ARR, profitable, and 7 of our last 10 customers migrated from Clay.

Three years ago, three of us from a top engineering college quit our high-paying jobs to start a company and it landed flat on its face.

The first idea failed. Then the second one failed. At one point we even hit #1 on Product Hunt and convinced ourselves we'd finally figured it out. We hadn't. We spent the better part of a year mostly confused, building things people thought were cool but didn't really want to pay for.

Eventually we landed on Bitscale.

Today we're at 200+ customers, 7-figure ARR, profitable, a team of 17, and something funny has happened recently: 7 of our last 10 customers came from Clay. Close to half of our pipeline this month is teams already using Clay.

The honest part about building a better product than a $100M+ ARR company is that you don't actually have to be better at everything.

When we started, we thought we'd need better data, better AI, better workflows, better everything.

Turns out most customers weren't looking for "more". They were looking for fewer things breaking, fewer tools to manage, and fewer reasons to call a GTM engineer every week.

Honestly we didn't built Clay's 80% of the useless features and rest 20% we built perfectly.

You read all these essays about needing a killer feature no one else has. In reality.. our biggest growth lever was way more boring. We just listened to the annoying, everyday complaints people had ( and we did recieve a lot of them) . A giant competitor like Clay could probably assign two devs and ship those fixes in a weekend. But at that scale, they stop noticing the small stuff.

That's been our entire strategy so far.

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 19 days ago
▲ 7 r/SaaS

We built a Clay alternative. 7-figure ARR, profitable, and 7 of our last 10 customers migrated from Clay.

Three years ago, three of us from a top engineering college quit our high-paying jobs to start a company and it landed flat on its face.

The first idea failed. Then the second one failed. At one point we even hit #1 on Product Hunt and convinced ourselves we'd finally figured it out. We hadn't. We spent the better part of a year mostly confused, building things people thought were cool but didn't really want to pay for.

Eventually we landed on Bitscale.

Today we're at 200+ customers, 7-figure ARR, profitable, a team of 17, and something funny has happened recently: 7 of our last 10 customers came from Clay. Close to half of our pipeline this month is teams already using Clay.

The honest part about building a better product than a $100M+ ARR company is that you don't actually have to be better at everything.

When we started, we thought we'd need better data, better AI, better workflows, better everything.

Turns out most customers weren't looking for "more". They were looking for fewer things breaking, fewer tools to manage, and fewer reasons to call a GTM engineer every week.

Honestly we didn't built Clay's 80% of the useless features and rest 20% we built perfectly.

You read all these essays about needing a killer feature no one else has. In reality.. our biggest growth lever was way more boring. We just listened to the annoying, everyday complaints people had ( and we did recieve a lot of them) . A giant competitor like Clay could probably assign two devs and ship those fixes in a weekend. But at that scale, they stop noticing the small stuff.

That's been our entire strategy so far.

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 19 days ago

We built a Clay alternative from India. 7-figure ARR, profitable, and 7 of our last 10 customers migrated from Clay.

Three years ago, three of us from a top engineering college quit our high-paying jobs to start a company and it landed flat on its face.

The first idea failed. Then the second one failed. At one point we even hit #1 on Product Hunt and convinced ourselves we'd finally figured it out. We hadn't. We spent the better part of a year mostly confused, building things people thought were cool but didn't really want to pay for.

Eventually we landed on Bitscale.

Today we're at 200+ customers, 7-figure ARR, profitable, a team of 17, and something funny has happened recently: 7 of our last 10 customers came from Clay. Close to half of our pipeline this month is teams already using Clay.

The honest part about building a better product than a $100M+ ARR company is that you don't actually have to be better at everything.

When we started, we thought we'd need better data, better AI, better workflows, better everything.

Turns out most customers weren't looking for "more". They were looking for fewer things breaking, fewer tools to manage, and fewer reasons to call a GTM engineer every week.

Honestly we didn't built Clay's 80% of the useless features and rest 20% we built perfectly.

You read all these essays about needing a killer feature no one else has. In reality.. our biggest growth lever was way more boring. We just listened to the annoying, everyday complaints people had ( and we did recieve a lot of them) . A giant competitor like Clay could probably assign two devs and ship those fixes in a weekend. But at that scale, they stop noticing the small stuff.

That's been our entire strategy so far.

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 19 days ago

My 18 months building a SaaS company from India for the world - I will not promote

My 18 months building a SaaS company from India for the world

18 months ago, we started with a fairly generic AI product.

Like most people in 2024, we thought AI was the answer. It really wasn't.

After talking to users, shipping, failing, and rebuilding, we moved towards sales intelligence because we saw a gap that tools like Clay and Apollo weren't solving well enough.

Our bet was simple:

-Give teams flexibility without making them learn a new operating system.

-Combine data, waterfall enrichment, AI research, workflows, and 100+ sources in one place.

-Make pricing fare & predictable.

-Then spend an unhealthy amount of time listening to customers.

A quick snapshot of where we are today:

-ARR grew ~20x

-Crossed $1M in revenue already

-200+ customers across the US, Europe, and India

-Added ~$450k to our own pipeline last month using Bitscale

-Generated ~$2M pipeline in 60 days for an early-stage startup

-7 of our last 10 customers switched from Clay

-Closing ~30% of demos

-Built native 2-way integrations with HubSpot and Salesforce

-Customers include Schneider Electric, Delhivery, Datadog, DevRev and Phyllo

-Went from 3 to 17 people

-Profitable since month one

What's funny is that the growth wasn't the biggest surprise.

The biggest surprise was how wrong we were about a lot of things.

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 27 days ago

My 18 months building a SaaS company from India for the world - I will not promote

My 18 months building a SaaS company from India for the world

18 months ago, we started with a fairly generic AI product.

Like most people in 2024, we thought AI was the answer. It really wasn't.

After talking to users, shipping, failing, and rebuilding, we moved towards sales intelligence because we saw a gap that tools like Clay and Apollo weren't solving well enough.

Our bet was simple:

-Give teams flexibility without making them learn a new operating system.
-Combine data, waterfall enrichment, AI research, workflows, and 100+ sources in one place.
-Make pricing fare & predictable.
-Then spend an unhealthy amount of time listening to customers.

A quick snapshot of where we are today:

-ARR grew ~20x
-Crossed $1M in revenue already
-200+ customers across the US, Europe, and India
-Added ~$450k to our own pipeline last month using Bitscale
-Generated ~$2M pipeline in 60 days for an early-stage startup
-7 of our last 10 customers switched from Clay
-Closing ~30% of demos
-Built native 2-way integrations with HubSpot and Salesforce
-Customers include Schneider Electric, Delhivery, Datadog, DevRev and Phyllo
-Went from 3 to 17 people
-Profitable since month one

What's funny is that the growth wasn't the biggest surprise.

The biggest surprise was how wrong we were about a lot of things.

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 27 days ago

Sound coming in while breaking

Hi everyone, I have a Tata Nexon Manual Petrol Pure Plus, roughly 2500 km run as of now. Recently I have been observing this issue where, when I'm slowing down my car, particularly on speed breakers and in general traffic as well, while pressing the brakes there is a very slight noise coming in and it goes away once the breaking is done. Another thing is that when I was just pressing the brakes to see if it is a brake issue, no sound comes when I am just randomly pressing the brakes. It only comes when I'm slowing down my car along with clutch and brake. Has anybody else face this?

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u/Confident_Reward_387 — 2 months ago
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