"Not ALL Orthodox"
"Well, that's just online"
"REAL Orthodoxy isn't like that"
"You're just going to the wrong church"
Can I just suggest we ban these types of dialogues, especially since they're almost always posted by people who haven't been on this forum long, and seem to have nefarious intentions?
If you've actually been heavily involved in the church before, you see it from a mile away... The concern-trolling, the fake sincerity that's there mostly to make you give Orthodoxy another chance, again in again, like a MIL telling you to give your abusive husband another chance, that "he's changed" or that your perspective was warped when you last saw him,
I've been to many churches as visitors. The only churches that practice this behavior... Are cults. Orthodoxy is given a pass because, at face value, it is not AS immediately aggressive as Western cults... Most priests on the podiums don't start with sermons on how gay marriage is wrong, or how women using certain types of birth control are basically murderers... But the teachings are there. The sermon is just there to draw you in.
Even in "less extreme" churches, if you're in the Western world, you can guarantee at least a third of your church is in some way influenced by the ROCOR propaganda they follow online. If someone isn't extreme, that doesn't mean they won't be an apologist for extremism.
Sorry, but we see it all the time. I'm not saying we kick everyone to the curb, but can we call a spade a spade?
"Not ALL Orthodox" is as toxic as "Not ALL men". If you're truly an ally, you wouldn't feel the need to get on your pedestal to defend a religion that controls and degrades women. There's a reason even cradle Orthodox women leave the church, and it has to do with the emotional intelligence they have to recognize they're being abused by a bunch of old, archaic men, who largely are there to get each other's egos off.
Honestly, I have an issue with anyone who thinks there's a valid reason for men to be priests, but not women. How can a religion ever be "equal" when such a thing is true? Has there been one female patriarch? No? Ok, then fuck off.
Ok, rant done.