A humble and educated view about Vertical present status.

A humble and educated view about Vertical present status.

One must marvel at the sheer elegance of Vertical’s overarching strategy, which appears to distill down to a single, breathtakingly brilliant maneuver: relentless capital injection. Do correct me if my humble interpretation strays from the mark; indeed, I devoutly hope that it does.

In practice, this translates to the delightful prospect of equity dilution for those foolish enough to be current shareholders. One cannot help but ponder the logic of remaining aboard a vessel while watching one’s capital evaporate, when a far more refined gentleman might simply step aside, allow the treasury to bleed, and return at a later date to collect a significantly larger stake for a fraction of the cost. Why not cut one’s losses and return later—assuming, of course, that the endeavor achieves flight at all?

Vertical’s strategic vision is truly a masterclass in divergent thinking—most notably in their fascinating decision to eschew the pursuit of new customers altogether. In an industry where public commitments serve as the very currency of credibility—one need only glance at the commendable efforts of Joby or Eve—Vertical appears content to operate in peaceful obscurity.

What the venture sorely lacks, amongst other things, is basic credibility and manufacturing infrastructure. Might one humbly suggest a joint venture with an established original equipment manufacturer, akin to Joby’s judicious alliance with Toyota? It seems a rather obvious win-win proposition. Are we truly to believe there is a total dearth of British aerospace enterprises—BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce, Babcock, Marshall, or even regional peers like Airbus and Leonardo—who might view such a partnership with favor?

To rely entirely on equity dilution while the company’s market valuation remains firmly grounded is not merely uninspired; it actively erodes our investment. A series of progressive, highly publicized strategic partnerships would achieve wonders for investor confidence. (Yes, Vertical: public commitments do, occasionally, cause share prices to appreciate.) Furthermore, if executive management harbors such unwavering faith in their trajectory, one wonders why their conviction is so rarely accompanied by the open-market purchase of their own stock.

This delightfully retro, low-profile public relations approach is producing predictably nonexistent returns. The business model is desperately in need of revision, if I may speak so boldly.

Allow me to offer a few modest suggestions for the board’s consideration:

Respect the Capital: Refrain, if possible, from treating existing shareholders as an infinite treasury.

Demonstrate Genuine Conviction: Management ought to align their fortunes with our own. Reduce baseline salaries, accept equity-based compensation tied strictly to milestone achievements, and purchase stock in the open market. Real commitment is forged in financial risk, not eloquent press releases.

Forge Strategic Alliances: Secure established industrial and aerospace partners without delay.

Embrace Transparency: Make progress, milestones, and strategic achievements consistently public.

Cultivate a Modern Public Presence: Engage in cost-effective outreach—workshops, media appearances, podcast engagements, and academic collaborations. Silence is rarely mistaken for genius.

Demystify the Certification Pathway: Clearly publish the regulatory milestones and progress updates.

Publicize High-Level Engagements: Ensure meetings with government and European aviation authorities are appropriately highlighted.

After all, one can only sell equity to a market that is aware of one's existence. Do try to make yourselves visible; the shareholders would be immensely obliged.

Is this truly so complex a concept to grasp? I assure you, a biennial appearance at Farnborough is hardly sufficient.

u/GenFokoff — 6 days ago

Vertical share price drop: just want to...

One word: horrible!

The script for the next months: who knows?

After last month presence ir the Air Festival...good vibes where out.

After this, I feel deceived.

Only bad words come to my mind. I hope this is not a scammy pattern. Saw this before in Lilium, Centtro, Bluejay mining...most UK companies.

Management needs to have a strong word about this and how they plan to compensate with achievements and partnerships for this disgrace those who invested a lot in this project.

u/GenFokoff — 9 days ago

Tinder documentary about how men react these days to "pay my dinner" situation.

No one was injured during filming and most important, no unexpected bills popped up.

u/GenFokoff — 12 days ago

Looking for a Toyota for not extreme off road

Idea: to get a Toyota Prado FJ or Land Cruiser for desert and mountain trips,not for dune bashing

Doubts: i love the lines of LC 80/LC100...last versions became tasteless and squared. The average mileage is a huge issue i think afraid of getting into trouble with huge repair for old units. I know the fuel consumption is also high...

The FJ is lovely too but lacks space. Prado i consider because is a light version of LC.

I would like to put a rooftop tent and some other camping gear.

What is your oppinion? Any help is welcomed.

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u/GenFokoff — 13 days ago

What Vertical needs to do, ASAP

I heard VERTICAL CEO interview and always referred EVTL as the one of the 2 companies in the front lead...well...besides Joby and Vertical, there is Beta and Evex is also growing fast.

What Vertical has is the European advantage and i think that Vertical should get partnerships deep in Europe in order to have EU support, paving EASA certification.

Being almost the only European company in the field must be emphasized and take EVTL to a different level of financial support.

EVTL should seek a JV like Joby did, minimizing manufacture investment and creating credibility: Airbus, Dassault, ATR.

EVEX already partnered with BAE and Safran as example.

This must be done asap.

Using a modular approach also helps certification. In house design like batteries, avionics, electrical systems and else are good but can delay certification. HORIZON HOVR is integrating aircraft modules in their design in order to facilitate certification.

u/GenFokoff — 21 days ago

Next 6 months don't expect news.

People will be working in the office and in the factory. With the cold winter,it will be all about indoor work. After March will be the time to expect big news. Hold and relax. Big time is 2028.

u/GenFokoff — 24 days ago

Today in F1 Grand Prix Spa, Intel was blown away in a car crash. Is it a "to the moon" or "crash down in oblivion" premonition ?

u/GenFokoff — 1 month ago

Need to know who is going to invest in EVTOLs

Once some congressmen gets into the sector...this will start to print cash.

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u/GenFokoff — 2 months ago
▲ 9 r/stockstobuytoday+1 crossposts

Mobility. Fossil fuel independence. Better price/km. EVTOLs and the multibagger process.

u/GenFokoff — 2 months ago

That was a dirty move: how NVIDIA sabotage INTC turn-around.

This can be a bit dramatic obviously.

INTC is forced to execute above excellence. NVIDIA just jump into CPU world trying to applegenize all Windows environment in CUDA.

This a serious threat. NVIDIA just screwed INTC. TSMC is happy. AMD and NVIDIA are really under their skirt.

The only way is to execute 18-14-12 series above expected.

Everyine is creating chips. ARM gained almost 280% in few months, AMD 175%...almost doing nothing. INTC 214% with so many new product...the difference is that now INTC is losing ground and potential clients.

Agentic AI is important but physical AI even more.

I think we will assist to a retraction until a new catalyst comes up...but i see dark clouds ahead...

u/GenFokoff — 3 months ago

EVTOL market

This is not AI generated.

I'd to share my view in the EVTOL sector and hear your feedback. I add the potential SP multiplier for perfect execution in 2030-33.

The only capable EVYOLs are (stage 1-5):

- JOBY 4/5- intense testing, operations Q42026, best partnerships, military applications. 4-5x

- EVEX 3/5 - transitional flight acchieved, biggest backlog, best backup engineering EMBRAER, huge list of clients MOU LOI 20-25x

- Vertical 3/5: transitional flight achieve, second best backlog, backed up HONEYWELL ACITURRI, european certification. 30-35x

- BETA (hybrid) 3/5, charge ecosystem, propellers, aimed for 400-500km market. 6-10x

The other 2:

- ARCHER 2/5 transitional flight not documented, ANDURIL partnership, delayed project. 4-5x

- HOVR 1/5 (hybrid): wingfan design, serious contender for 300-500km trips, military/medical services, prototype Q42026-Q22027. 30-50x

Whats your ideas on this?

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u/GenFokoff — 3 months ago

What can go wrong?

This is a honest approach zo eVTOL. No matter if HOVR, EVTL, JOBY, EVEX, ARCHER.

We need to focus in what can go wrong in terms of engineering, aeronautical performance, market targets and bottlenecks.

There is market. Crowded cities, corporate, tourism, militarized forces, emergency services, fuel independence, low pollution, community friendly noise levels.

Strong arguments for upside.

What are the challenges? Please...share your views and expected upside returns.

u/GenFokoff — 3 months ago

Reference: Mckinsey report for financial arenas 2030-40.

eVtol to go from 0.5 to 350 $B next years.

EVEX JOBY HOVR BETA coming from paper to near certification. Vertiports in Middle East. Flights in NYC and SF. Tokyo and Singapore.Saudi Arabia. Sidney.

LOI, MOU,huge backlogs (around 20B).

Corporate, private, commuting, tourism, defense, emergency.

Do your DD. Market in the early stage.

u/GenFokoff — 4 months ago

Check the Mckinsey report- new stock market arenas 2939-49

eVTOLs become a 300x business (commuting, tourism, defense,emergency, personal).

Better cost per km,lower maintenance cost, lower/none petrol dependant, better community noise levels, higher passenger comfort.

EVEX, JOBY, HOVR. Vertiports in Middle East ongoing. Flights in USA ongoing. Backed by aircraft OEM (Embraer, Bombardier), Toyota (Japan deployment), Stellantis (know how).

Huge backlogs: althogeter >20B in MOU/LOI.

FAA certification and first commercial flights coming.

Stock market: underpriced, building up momentum. Near future catalysts, 50-60% upside EoY.

u/GenFokoff — 4 months ago
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eVTOL are approaching certification, production and routes. NYC, SF, Dubai started already seeing this vehicles flying.

First JOBY. EVEX, HOVR, BETA, ARCHER to follow.

Stock prices show institutions taking position. Check today's price chart in biggest players.

Joby: flying in several metropolis, Dubai vertiports being finalized

EVEX: huge backlog, Embraer engineering backup, ecosystem property being created,production lines already in place from Embraer

HOVR: hybrid aircraft 800k autonomy, weather resilient, possible partnership with Bombardier

Do your own DD. Mackinsey estimates a 2030-35 market $350B, from less than 0.5B today. No other area has this upside.

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u/GenFokoff — 4 months ago

I was Intel gang at 18-24. So many days we were just a bunch of believers. But going from18 to 60's was too much.

Salute to those who stayed in the track.

My greed was probably not up to the level: 30-40% in a short period without fundamentals just made me think 2-3-4 times.

I am out but i am in the sidelines. This post is to make peace with myself and not carry the idea that volatility is good...

Advice: keep your narrative strong and set strong loss points if you believe in it.

u/GenFokoff — 4 months ago

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Takeaways:

Noise low.

Fast stop rotors.

Easy to manouver.

Small aircraft , not bulky.

Tickets not expensive.

Good window view.

For busy cities, a blast.

Mid-year flights US: San Francisco, NYC

Dedicated vertiports in Dubai: 2 completed,6 to follow next few months. 4 dedicated routes created.

Saudi plans progressing.

Japan plans expanfing, under Toyota, implementation in Tokyo area and some other big cities.

Singapore next.

👍👌

u/GenFokoff — 4 months ago

Noise low.

Fast stop rotors.

Easy to manouver.

Small site, not bulky.

Tickets not expensive.

Good window view.

For busy cities, a blast.

Great!

👍👌

u/GenFokoff — 4 months ago