u/Greedy-Vast584

▲ 171 r/CAguns

AR Pistols Explained.. hopefully

Since the "how AR pistol?" question pops up every time someone discovers the roster exists, I’ve put together a summary of the community consensus on the Single Shot Exempt (SSE) process to the best of my abilities.

The Basics: How do you actually get one?

You can't just buy a stripped lower and build a pistol (that’s "manufacturing an unsafe handgun" in the eyes of the CADOJ). You have three main paths:

  • The "On-Roster" Route (Franklin Armory CA7 / CA11 / JT-15): These are on the roster as bolt-action repeaters. You buy it like a normal handgun, then most people swap the upper later (see the semi-auto section below).
  • The SSE Route (FFL07 Manufacturers): Certain FFLs (like 2A Zone, MoreauWorks, RifleGear, or Manzano) have the license to manufacture a "new" single-shot pistol. They take a lower, build it into a compliant single-shot configuration (no gas system, usually a zero-round sled), DROS it to you as a "Pistol," and then you're good to go.
  • The PPT Route (Private Party Transfer): Buying a used AR pistol from another CA resident. This is the only way to get a "Semi-Auto" DROS paper trail, but expect to pay a "roster tax" ($1,200+ is common).

The "Semi-Auto" Conversion (The Gray Area)

  • The #1 question: "Is it legal to put a semi-auto upper on my SSE/CA7?"
  • There is no specific penal code that says an end-user cannot modify their own legally owned handgun.
  • The DOJ has "warned" that this might constitute manufacturing an unsafe handgun, but they’ve never actually charged anyone for it in the ~10 years people have been doing it.
  • If you go semi-auto, it MUST be Maglocked (AR Maglock + Kingpin, Hogue Freedom Fighter, etc.) and limited to 10-round magazines.

Compliance Checklist

If it is semi-auto, it must follow these rules to avoid being an "Assault Weapon":

  • Fixed Mag Only: You cannot have a "featureless" AR pistol. It has to be maglocked
  • 10-Round Limit: Even if you have "Freedom Week" mags, using them in a maglocked pistol creates an illegal AW
  • Brace vs. Stock: Braces (SBA3, SBA5, etc.) are currently fine. Putting a Stock on it makes it an illegal SBR
  • No Vertical Foregrips (VFG): Unless your Overall Length (OAL) is over 26" (measured from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the threads), a VFG is a no-go federally and in CA. Angled grips/handstops are fine.

Recommended Shops (FFL07s)

If you want to go the SSE route, these are the heavy hitters the sub usually recommends:

  • 2A Zone (Upland/Riverside)
  • MoreauWorks (San Marcos)
  • RifleGear (Fountain Valley)
  • Manzano Munitions (Bay Area)
  • NorCal Firearms (Manteca)
  • River City (Sacramento)
  • GLS Armory (Rancho Cucamonga)
  • Ammo Bros (Cerritos/Ontario/Riverside/San Diego/Perris/Westminster)

Summary: "What should I do?"

  • Buy a CA7 or JT15 or JT9 and modify
  • Contact 2A Zone or MoreauWorks or whomever above to DROS a specific lower (Aero, KAK, Dirty Bird, Anderson, BCM, Geissele, etc.. ) as an SSE pistol. You'll supply the LPK and upper and they assemble into a single-shot AR pistol
  • Scour the CalGuns/CaGuns marketplaces for a PPT.

I hope this helps.. I hope we can sticky something like this eventually to stop the daily 3-5 questions about AR pistols from people who have usually never built an AR let alone held one.

Please don't start with a pistol as everyone should be starting with a basic 16" AR15 in 556 and probably featureless as their first.

Tagging u/AccordingIy for his post about the prices as it was very well done!

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u/Greedy-Vast584 — 9 days ago
▲ 49 r/CAguns

worst two listings I've seen today.. how about you?

the top one is now on roster for $999 and the lower one is an uncompensated XMacro for over three times the price of the XMacro..

what else have you seen today that made you spit out your drink?

the name has been redacted to protect the guilty (same dude)

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 11 days ago

P320 in H-187 Noveske Tiger Eye Brown

This color is a bit warmer than RAL8000 and looks amazing in person. I had to adjust the picture slightly to warm it up slightly to match the real world look as this color tends to wash out when photographed (like RAL8000).

Pistol is a P320 M18 FCU with a Sig skeletonized trigger, XFull slide that's been ported with Omega ports from Slideworks Engineering, and an AXG grip plus magwell.

I'm an amateur doing this at home for fun

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 11 days ago
▲ 26 r/CAguns

Latest build.. Cerakote At Home Pt 2

I had an extra X-Full slide and AXG grip that I wasn't using and decided to port the slide and Cerakote both using Noveske Tiger Eye Brown in order to mimic the upcoming GT4/GT5s from Sig in Coyote

It turned out amazing.. the hardest part was removing and re-installing the damn sights!

Cerakote done at home with a used HF blast cabinet, a donated trim air compressor, and a Ninja toaster oven.

The slide was ported by Slideworks Engineering in TX. They did an amazing job for a great price and it only took about 2.5 weeks from drop-off at the postal annex.

I can't wait to see which slide and grip combination shoots flatter between the ported barrel and the comped/expansion chamber slide. My money is on the ported slide for now

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 12 days ago

Black and yellow

I've been salivating over the new Coyote models coming out that are still not available in CA so decided to Cerakote my AXG grip and XFull slide after having it ported by Slideworks Engineering in TX.

Cerakote color is H-187T Noveske Tiger Eye Brown in 18:1 ratio which is the closest I wanted to get to the GT4 Coyote which I have on my list to grab once they hit our unconstitutional roster. This color is almost identical to RAL8000 but is slightly warmer

I like this so much that I ordered some G10 Hogue Piranha grips for it

This is my second garage Cerakote job with improvised equipment including a used Harbor Freight blast cabinet, a donated trim air compressor, and an old Ninja toaster oven.

I haven't gotten a chance to shoot the ported slide from Slideworks Engineering yet but their work was flawless and I'm curious which slide will shoot flatter and with which grip.

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 12 days ago
▲ 71 r/ar15

Sig drop-safing all the things.. New Romeo8T AMR Shroud

11.3oz vs 9.5 for the original 8T AMR.. an extra $100 for 1.8oz of titanium and some screws

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 13 days ago
▲ 212 r/Cerakote+1 crossposts

After doing a slide in E-100 blackout a few weeks ago, I decided to try doing a complete build in FDE.

This was baked in a Ninja toaster oven, blasted in a Harbor Freight used cabinet I picked up from Facebook, and powered by an a small 2.5 gallon air compressor that my neighbor gave me

I'm quite pleased with the results aside from it coming out a bit glossier than I intended.. I used an 18:1 ratio, let both parts ambient flash for 15 mins, then threw them both in the oven at 165 for 2 hours, followed by another hour at 300 for the slide.

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 17 days ago
▲ 57 r/CAguns

Picked this up a few days ago after trading it for a Sig 1911

Decided to turn it into my first Cerakote project and sprayed with FDE E-200 Cerakote. I put together a blast cabinet using a Harbor Freight cabinet I found on Facebook, a small air compressor that my neighbor gave me, a cardboard paint booth, and our old Ninja toaster oven

It came out a bit glossier than I would have wanted but overall I'm pleased with it!

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 19 days ago
▲ 39 r/CAguns+1 crossposts

New upper sprayed in RAPCO RAL 7021 Dark Gray / Panzer Gray from Panther City Tactical and sitting on a previously built M4E1 lower sprayed with Brownell's Aluma-Hyde 2 in Wolf Grey

Upper is a 16" Criterion Core barrel with a CMT 15" handguard, Microbest chrome BCG, Raptor, Radian Raptor, and DAC Shortstop. This was a practically brand new GAFS gunsmif special that I got for $360 for the upper/barrel/handguard. I had to drill out the handguard hardware and ordered replacement parts from CMT (thanks for shipping to CA)

Lower is Aero M4E1 (RIP), LaRue MBT-2S, RB5007/A5/Tubb, DAC VCG-L, Troy bolt catch, and Radian Talon. CA compliance courtesy of Hogue Freedom Fighter and Kingpin.

Rapco paint is about as easy as it gets to put down.. I stripped the upper parts, degreased it all with Simple Green and Dawn, hung up, sprayed and let the parts offgas overnight.. Baked in the morning for 2 hours at 195 and then re-assembled

If you haven't tried that paint, check it out at Panther City Tactical and grab a few cans with the Finger Saver 9000.

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 19 days ago
▲ 134 r/CAguns

$1k plus 20% for a 380 is a tough pill to swallow.. going to tell my wife 9mm is the same as 380 and see if she buys it

For info, just saw a P365 AXG Legion grip and slide sell for $649 on GAFS.. only problem is these don't have the safety so you'd have to modify your FCU or grip to fit.. cheaper to buy a normal P365 and swap grip/slide and try to sell those vs buying this complete (Note: AB Prototype will safety cut these grips for $150!)

u/Greedy-Vast584 — 21 days ago