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Since nobody does much of German thrash 4 rankings, I thought I should. The first one I wanna do is the debut albums from each band which are:

Kreator- endless pain
Destruction- infernal overkill
Sodom- obsessed by cruelty
Tankard- zombie attack

Now for the rankings from the top being my least favorite and the bottom being my favorite. Also the list of albums on top has nothing to do with my real rankings

4. Sodom- obsessed by cruelty. To be honest I don’t listen to this one much but I can tell I don’t like the sound very much, bad production and kind of boring music. Sodoms later stuff is much much much better.

Drop off from here and the next albums are really hard to rank because they each have really good qualities each.

3. This is really sad to choose but I’m going with, Kreator- endless pain. The album kicks off really hard with the first 3 songs being all amazing thrash but imo it starts to get really boring as each song is carried on by the same main beat. Very low variety on this album even though I still love it. The title track is an awesome first song for a band and I really love how Jurgen and miles switch vocals on each song (Jurgen gets the odd numbered tracks, and miles gets the even numbered tracks) overall still a strong debut.

4. Destruction- infernal overkill. Easily would’ve been number one if it wasn’t for the bad production and very weak vocals. The opening scream on invincible force is insanely weak and has no power whatsoever 😭, but the album has its redeeming qualities. Easily the best songwriting from all of these albums listed and easily the best lead guitar by miles. The songs don’t get repetitive unlike endless pain and each song is interesting and fun. Strong debut and my favorite destruction album.

5. Tankard- zombie attack. The unserious and humorous band of the German 4 outclassed all the other bands perfectly. The album sort of does almost everything better than the other albums listed here. Best production and vocals by a LOT. Really fun songs and great riffs on each song. Lead guitar is average but the only band on this list with exceptional lead guitar work was destruction anyways. Super strong debut album and tankard is severely overlooked and underrated.

What’s you guys’ rankings?

The order is least favorite to favorite.

Terrible certainty- still a good album, just kinda feels like a lesser version of pleasure to kill but still has good moments. Blind faith, storming with menace, toxic trace

Release from agony- In terms of songwriting and interesting songs it’s easily better than Kreator and tankards, the only thing that’s still keeping it close between those two is the production and vocals, definitely the worst from the others, but this album is still really good and like I said has the most interesting songs and very great songwriting. Title track, sign of fear, survive to die.

Chemical invasion- easily the best vocals out of any of the other albums from the list and it’s not close. The songwriting is a little more simple than Sodom and destruction’s albums, but in terms of production and vocals it’s the best. I’m also a sucker for thrash bands that don’t take themselves very seriously. For a thousand beers, title track, farewell to a slut.

Persecution mania- definitely the best from all of these, heavy and groovy. Best songwriting out of all of these for sure and the songs always hit, not much else to say. Nuclear winter, enchanted land, bombenhagel.

What do you guys think?

I personally enjoy jurgen a little more especially on endless pain because that’s when they got 5 tracks each to sing on and it was an even battle between the two in which I like jurgen a bit more. However on later albums it goes to miles because he refined his sound a bit more and wasn’t a one trick pony like he was on the debut. Jurgen beats him by a lot there because his vocals to me are more brutal and less grating. When pleasure to kill and coma of souls come around that’s when Mille peaks for me. So overall goes to Mille, peak goes to Jurgen. What do you guys think.

IMO these are THE best thrash bands overall. Metallica’s first 4 and slayers first five compete also.
Anthrax has two master piece amazing s tier albums and the rest don’t live up to it. Megadeth testament and Sepultura release bangers constantly and Sepulturas modern stuff isn’t even bad.

I’ll give some nominees and then the 3 songs I think are the best imo.

In no order:

Megadeth- holy wars the punishment due
Slayer- angel of death
Metallica- creeping death
Anthrax- Indians
Testament- over the wall
Kreator- the pestilence
Flotsam and jetsam- no place for disgrace
Death angel- thrashers
Overkill- time to kill
Exodus- bonded by blood
Vio-lence- eternal nightmare
Forbidden- through eyes of glass
Sepultura- desperate cry
Sodom- tired and red

These are basically the highlights, I probably forgot some songs but yea those are the best imo.

My top 5 from the list would be:

1. Holy wars
2. Desperate cry
3. Creeping death
4. No place for disgrace
5. Over the wall

Btw these aren’t my favorite from each band, some are but the big bands I mostly chose their widely considered best song. What do you guys think?

Super unjustified. The Derrick green sepultura albums consistently slap and his voice isn’t even that different sounding from max. Obviously I don’t think he and his music is as good max’s but it’s by no means bad. I just wanna know why he’s so hated on even though he makes some pretty bangin music.

I think that the legacy and new order are heavier than anything slayer has done. The tone and drumming on both albums are brutal and super thrashy. The closest things slayer have are hell awaits and seasons in the abyss. What yall think?

Listening to Judas Priest right now. Sin after sin and killing machine in particular. Both super amazing albums, and I don’t understand the under appreciation for each. They’re still acclaimed albums but not like the others. They live in the shadow of albums like stained, class screaming for vengeance, painkiller, etc. these albums are on par and if not better than the above mentioned. Anyway, can’t go wrong with priest and all their stuff is really good. Also Judas Priest is better than maiden, just had to say that. What are you guys’ favorite Judas Priest albums/songs?

We have 3 songs named tormentor

Destruction- tormentor
Kreator- tormentor
Slayer- tormentor

After listening to all 3 I have my ranking

1. Slayer- very catchy song and definitely the best vocals of each.

2. Destruction- great solo and the longest of the two which is why it’s better than Kreator

3. Kreator- still a good song. Mille’s vocals fit the title perfectly, just not as much good musical content as the others.

What you guys’ ranking?

For me Megadeths best production is youthanasia. Amazing dry guitar tone with almost no effects, Dave mustaines best vocals, a very deep and sharp bass tone, and the drumming is very crisp and dry is well. I think it’s a perfect blend altogether that captures Megadeths post rust in peace 90’s years. I also have a soft spot for so far so good so what which is usually considered their worst production. I think the rawness of mustaines vocals and the flanger on the guitar makes for an awesome punk infused thrash album. What do you guys think is their best production?

What does everyone think of the new anthrax singles? Do they sound like a very good album is coming up, does it sound better than any of the recent thrash albums from old school bands, and how would you rank the singles so far?

My ranking:

It’s for the kids
Everybody’s got a plan
The edge of perfection

What do you guys think?

What do you guys think about System of a Down?
They got me into metal about a year or 2 ago. I started with nu metal, but gradually disowned the genre and listened to more of thrash, osdm, and traditional. I’ve seen hate on soad by elitists, but I’m going back and listening to them right now and they don’t really sound like your average nu metal band. Not really even nu metal at all. Anyway, just wanna know what elitists think.

I’ve been obsessing over pleasure to kill recently and basically know the entire album already. What’s the next album I should listen to after that. If someone could give me a listening order of every album that’d be much appreciated.

I used to put this album off to the side at first when I first heard it because I though every song sounded the same, so I didn’t care much for it, but man now that I check it out more it’s so damn good. The riffs are top notch better than any thrash albums I heard so far. They sound evil, yet have a sense of melody. The vocals by Mille are very good also, he sounds like a madman. The drums are also very good too, the Tom’s sounds like tin cans for some reason and I love it. The bass cuts in the mix nicely too and is a very good addition to the mix. Anyway that’s my rant about this album and how good it is.

What do thrash fans think about these guys, I’m listening to the debut and like it so far, it’s not thrash, more just traditional metal, but I know they are considered a big thrash band. I never see them get mentioned much however and want to know what thrash fans think of them. Any favorite albums/songs?

How would you rank these three albums:

Terrible certainty
Persecution mania
Schizophrenia

I’m trying to get into German thrash, and more extreme thrash in general, I’m listening to Kreator and the early stuff rely’s heavy on skank beats as a main core of the song, which isn’t bad but does get a little boring after a while, especially when trying to remember what songs sound like what and what albums I like better than the other. They kinda sound the same. Sodom on the other hand for me blends melody and heavy skank beats perfectly, a good song example is tired and red from agent orange. My main point here is what bands sound more like Sodom in the way I explained, and what Kreator album are heavier on melody and songwriting.

My favorite in no order are:

Kimb
Kea
Show no mercy
The legacy
The ultra violence

What are you guys favorite debuts (thrash only)