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Believer: Faith is believing despite evidence, but acting as if you had evidence anyway.

Agnostic: Acknowledges lack of evidence, and acknowledges that it is unknowable, and that existence or non-existence are equally possible, due to lack of evidence so far.

I got a notification by email that someone placed an order. I can follow the link and see their home address, which card they used (last 4), what they ordered, how many points. I can even place an order with all listed above if I wanted using their card or points.

I called that location listed and they don't care. I notified them over a year ago and they still haven't changed a thing.

If someone notified this to me about my business that app would be shut down immediately. This is a major violation.

No context required.

But the YT content creator nailed it "If there is no people left, there is no power"

Lastly to see a 'live' hall with this many empty seats obviously proves the growth is fantastic!

Frog, pot and boil springs to mind.

There is this "church" where they claim that some Korean, who died in the 80's from an aneurysm, is 2nd Christ and his "Spiritual wife" who is still alive is God the mother and she made all things lol. This church is unhinged. Need a few fellow Christians to Troll them. Or hopefully convince other people to leave this cult. They keep inviting me, thinking they can convert me but clearly not working lol. If interested, let me know and I will send u the zoom link. it's at 7:30pm.

https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/vu3YYvfjRr25pjZYFaFwgw#/registration

Classic from 2016, but great one. This is Ronan Farrow interviewing, the reporter that broke the Harvey Weinstein case leading to the big MeToo movement.

I’m based in Munich and twice now I have been approached by Korean christian missionaries talking about a Gottmutter (Mother God). I researched it, turns out it is a cult like group and they believe the Mother God is a 70 year old woman currently living in Korea.

This is a bit weird to me because I’ve been in Germany for 5+ years now, and I’ve been only approached by missionaries 3 times, two of them being by this cult recently. I’m curious if y’all had the same thing happen to you.

I’m an ex muslim but I pretended to still be one so that they’d go away but they stuck even more after that.

EDIT: It’s called World Mission Society Church of God. At least I think it is, based on the research I did. They themselves didn’t state their name.

I was in a church for almost 1 year that I always new was a cult but only used it when I didnt want to go home sometimes. I left brcause I couldn't stand it. I had a crush on one lady but the opportunity to have a conversation was nearly impossible because the guys and women were not permitted to speak to each other. The most you will get is hi/bye in forced situations. Even though we were all in proximity of each other.

With that said I saw her preaching with somone else in a populated area and she remembered me when I approached them. I talked about why I left, which is due to them trying to control me. The church is called "world mission society church of god" btw... alot of the members are robotic and i could never get through to them. But when I spoke to her I could see she wasnt completely gone. When I look into her eyes you could tell there is still hope

Anyways I tod her my concerns and she suggested I speak to missionary to answer my questions.. I did tell her I might consider visiting the church in the summer. Its mostly because maybe I could try and ask her out to have more time reasoning with her. Im at the point of considering moving to different state so I dont think the possibility of relationship is there but I atleast want to help her. BTW the church tends to do arraigned marriages which I have seen and dont want happening to her.... should I just let her waste her life away???

This is something I commented on another post however I am bringing this as a standalone post. WMSCOG now follows a woman leader after their man leader who passed away. Even if we are all ex SCJ and SCJ play the devil's advocate and say that Ahn Sahng-hong is the legitimate 2nd coming of Christ. Does the appointing of a new leader Zahng Gil-jah prove that the legitimacy of Ahn Sahng-hong is shattered?

This could reflect on the nature of SCJ as well. Does new Successor after Lee Man Hee passes a way signal that he is not legitimate biblically within the teaching of SCJ?

I am writing with a heavy heart because someone I care about is deeply involved with the World Mission Society Church of God and I can't seem to get her out of it, a group that teaches doctrines that are completely contrary to biblical Christianity. This is not a minor disagreement between denominations. This goes directly to the identity of Jesus Christ, salvation, Scripture, and the authority of God.

The World Mission Society Church of God was founded in South Korea in the 1960s and teaches that Ahnsahnghong, a Korean man who died in 1985, was the Second Coming of Christ. They also teach the doctrine of “God the Mother” and regard Zahng Gil-jah, a South Korean woman, as divine. These are not teachings found in historic Christianity, and they are not small differences in interpretation. They are claims that replace the biblical Christ with another figure entirely.

According to former members and court records have raised serious allegations about the organization, including claims of isolation from nonbelieving family and friends, financial pressure, failed end-times predictions, arranged marriages, and other disturbing patterns of control. The church denies those allegations and says participation is voluntary, but the reports are serious enough that Christians should pay close attention.

I reluctantly visited this church myself to see what was happening. I expected a church, or at least a place of worship. A normal church should feel welcoming. It should feel peaceful. It should feel like people are there to pray with you and for you. It should feel like the Lord’s house. Instead, this felt cold, controlling, and aggressive. It felt less like a church and more like walking into a spiritual bootcamp.

Almost immediately, I was pushed toward “Bible classes.” But what I experienced did not feel like Bible study. It felt like indoctrination. A real Bible class welcomes questions, honest discussion, and careful reading of Scripture. This felt like someone trying to force a conclusion. The man speaking with me was aggressive and argumentative, not calm or pastoral. Instead of pointing me to Christ, he seemed focused on pushing the organization’s interpretation.

Their method appears to be cherry-picking Bible verses, pulling them out of context, and using them to create fear. Scripture can be quoted without being understood. Anyone can grab a verse and build a doctrine around it, but true Christian teaching must be read through the whole witness of Scripture: the prophets, the teachings of Jesus, the cross, the resurrection, grace, repentance, mercy, and salvation.

It reminded me of someone pointing at a green apple while repeatedly screaming that it is red. That is how their arguments felt. The plain meaning of Scripture was ignored while they kept forcing their own interpretation onto the text. Example: The so-called "teacher" was pointing out a verse and argued that there was God the mother and "she created the earth, humans and animals." Because they used one sentence: "let us make man in our image."

Nowhere in the bible does it teach God the mother. When I pointed out John Chapter one verse One, the guy started raging at me claiming I'm wrong:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ^(2) He was with God in the beginning. ^(3) Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. ^(4) In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. ^(5) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Nowhere in the bible does it mention God the Mother! After I pointed out their lies, I got kicked out. But I was calm, patient, and most importantly respectful about it.

I come from a background of religious study, and I personally lean toward Protestant Christianity, with an understanding of Jewish roots because I was once Jewish. Jesus was Jewish. He taught within a Jewish world. He followed Jewish traditions. Even baptism has roots in older Jewish purification practices, including the mikveh bath. Jesus Himself said He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, but to fulfill them. That is very different from inventing new doctrines that point people away from the biblical Christ.

One of the clearest problems is how narrow and fear-based their message felt. They seemed obsessed with the idea that only those inside their organization are truly part of God’s kingdom. But Revelation 7:9 speaks of a “great multitude that no one could count,” from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. That is not a tiny private club controlled by one organization. That is the redeemed people of God centered around the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

Even the prayer at the beginning felt strange. Silent prayer can be legitimate in many Christian settings, but in this context, it did not feel pastoral or reverent. I expected prayer in the name of Jesus, or at least something openly Christian, such as the Lord’s Prayer. Instead, the man prayed silently to himself. Given the rest of the experience, it unsettled me. I asked him what did he pray for and what were his words. He blatantly told me, that's between me and God. He was probably praying to Lucifer!

When I left, I did not feel spiritually refreshed. I did not feel welcomed. I did not feel like I had encountered a church trying to guide people toward Christ. I felt like I had escaped a place more interested in control than worship.

Afterward, I texted the man I spoke with. His response was cold. He did not meaningfully defend the church. He did not respond like someone concerned for another person’s soul. I told him I would pray for him, and I meant it sincerely, but he did not even acknowledge that. To me, that said a lot. A person of God should welcome prayer. A person of God should care whether people find the true path. A person of God should point people to Christ, not to an organization.

Matthew 24:5 says, “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” That warning matters. Any group that claims special authority, special access, or special knowledge while pressuring people through fear should be examined carefully. A church should point people to Jesus Christ, not to itself. It should teach Scripture, not weaponize it. It should lead people into prayer, not pressure. It should welcome the searching soul, not trap people in fear and control.

I am especially concerned because someone I care about appears to be deeply influenced by this group. I believe she has been spiritually manipulated and isolated. They seem to control who she talks to, what she questions, and how she sees anyone outside the group. That is not Christian discipleship. That is control.

So I ask my brothers and sisters in Christ to pray. Pray for her. Pray for others caught in this movement. Pray for discernment. Pray that the true Gospel of Jesus Christ breaks through the confusion. Jesus Christ is not a Korean man who died in 1985. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the risen Lord, and the only Savior. We need a public outcry or some kind of Public action to save these People! Guide these people to true Christ!

In this skit, I have a conversation with the World Mission Society Church of God - the group that believes in a "God the Mother".

WMSCOG is a South Korean cult that believes Jesus returned as a South Korean man and also says God has a wife.

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Lately, I have been frequently approached (only while alone on campus) by what experts online think of as a religious cult. The group professes about “god the mother”, whom they believe to be a real existing woman who was alive and they worship. And they try to get me to physically follow them to some other place to “show me their faith”. Has anyone else had a similar experience? If so, were you alone? And what is your gender identity? I’m wondering if they intentionally only approach people who seem “smaller and weaker” or females or something like that, because they will walk right past the couples, and right past the men sitting alone, and come straight to me in the 3 times they’ve approached me. Every time I have been approached it has been by two people together, but it has not been the same people. I am wondering if it is trafficking related.

Has anyone noticed that the "be baptized immediately" study is just a posturing to act like they are more Biblical than other churches? They emphasize in the study that the early church didn't even wait for sunrise or to get to a place with clean water - so literally right at that moment.

Yet they criticize other denominations for holding off to complete a series of studies or a short period of time. But they also insist that they need to get a certain amount of studies about father's coming prophecies, mother, and maybe even "weeds and wheat".

How is that any different than their own criticism of others doing specific regimen of studies first? Some wmscog apologists might say that they do immediate baptisms, but that is only during special short term preaching events. They even announce it that they can do immediate baptisms that time, and on cue the members all go "wooooww!!" because it is so rare.

Today, I got the experience of meeting with someone and he tried convincing me to go to his church. As a catholic, I am fine with staying in my church but it peaked my curiosity. After basically an hour of discussion he told me the address of his church and what church it was.

World Mission Society Church Of God.

If I knew before, I would have disengaged as soon as I saw him approaching me but I didn't. I thought they were the church below beside the WF building but after learning more about them, it seems like they are completely separate from traditional Christian churches

Seeing their wikipedia page and my belief that many South Korean churches are to be questioned, it gave me the conclusion I need. I don't want to join a church that basically has no history and thinks their founder is the second coming of Christ. If someone approaches you, asking if you want to learn about the Bible, do NOT engage. Ignore them

AUT shouldn't be like this and it doesn't reflect what I saw it as. It is not a place to be approached by a church trying to convince you to go to their religion and their church. I care not if they seem to be good because many cults act like that. Even though I don't appreciate sponsors here at AUT, at least they don't try to convince you to join whatever they want you to join. Maybe your data is being sold but it isn't as bad as if you are fully embedded into a church like this.

They operate in secret and isolate people. This is not normal. They have a book to try to convince you that their views of the bible are correct, yet this is not the way. I am sorry if I am overreacting but I just shivered at the thought of a cult approaching you. I didn't like JW and I wouldn't and don't like WMSCOG now. Am I wrong in thinking this?

I am a female college student. While on campus, a girl approached me and asked if I would like to join her Bible study, and I said yes. Her first lesson was that we existed in heaven before earth, sinned against god, and we were put on earth as punishment. She kept flipping around the Bible and using unrelated verses to justify this, and it felt like she missed the context of each section. Page flipping was my first red flag. However, I was impressed by her knowledge of the Bible and how she remembered where every verse was.

The next lesson was about the Passover. She basically said you can only be saved by following it. I understand that our calendar and the biblical calendar are different so I asked about how they know which day is actually passover and what happens if you get it wrong. Does that mean you're not saved? I also told her I disagreed. Accepting the gift of Jesus dying for your sins is what saves you, not following a holiday. I felt that this lesson contradicted what I know about Christianity. It felt like she was adding conditions. I don't think you'd be sent to heck because you missed one day of Passover.

During this lesson, I had a gut feeling that what she was teaching me was wrong because I felt that it contradicted the message of the Bible. However, I appreciated being able to discuss Christianity with someone who seemed very knowledgeable. My thought process is that I should be open to what she has to say because it's important to listen to people you disagree with.

Her third lesson was the weirdest. She introduced the concept of a female mother god, and this is where I completely zoned out. I was literally thinking to myself, "Am I imagining this. Is she being serious?" She flipped through passages again to prove her point. She started saying god's creations mirror him, so having a father and a mother on earth means there's a father and mother in heaven. She used a passage talking about Hagar and Sarah, and then something about the city of Israel. I understood the logic, but completely disagreed.

I feel like she started with the least strange belief, then gradually pushed more and more outrageous stuff so I wouldn't immediately run away lol.

Every week, she would text me to invite me to Bible study and come to her church. Even after saying "Sorry, I'm busy this week," she would persistently ask each time. I didn't have a problem with this. I just felt bad for consistently saying no.

She invited me to her church, and before I visited, I saw a Reddit post about someone saying the church forced/pressured them to get baptized. (Not her specific church, but another WMSCOG location).

I visited her church, and everyone was so nice and well-dressed. However, someone got baptized, and everyone yelled "We love you" while doing hand motions. And I just sat there like what just happened, and it freaked me out because suddenly everyone in the room was chanting it like it was a normal occurance. I kept seeing the same korean lady in all the photos, so I asked her, and she said she was mother god and we'd talk about it later.

Then she showed me an intro video talking about all the community service they do and the awards they have. She could tell I felt aprehensive so she told me that the queen elizabeth gave them an award, but people implied there was something sketchy about their church, so Queen Elizabeth sent spies who confirmed there was nothing weird. If you have to defend your church by saying that, then I feel like there's definitely something wrong with it.

I've done a lot of research when it comes to Christian "cults." (Using the term liberally. I'm not trying to insult other religions/sects of Christianity. I'm using it to describe unwavering or unquestioned devotion to a leader or deity, and getting shamed by your community for disagreeing. Also, getting disowned/banished by your family or community for leaving the religion).

Years ago, I dated a Mormon and considered joining, so I researched Joseph Smith. I don't like churches that have a council who decide what millions of members should believe and make excuses for their racist history, so seeing that WSMCOG had a similar structure freaked me out (I'm talking about the Mormon church not acknowledging past racism towards African Americans by not allowing them to hold the priesthood for the longest time. I'm not implying WMSCOG is racist). Christianity is about your relationship with god and interpretation of the Bible, not what some "higher authority" tells you to believe.

I've also heard WMSCOG steals your time, makes you pay tithing, and pulls you away from your support system to manipulate you (past members have said this in YouTube videos and Reddit posts). The only one I want to worship is Jesus, not a lady who claims to be god.

Is it worth continuing a friendship with her? Shes a great person, I have a lot of respect for her and her determination, and how she's open to criticism. However, I don't want to be gradually pushed to get baptized or join something I don't believe in. I feel like her main goal is to convert me slowly rather than building a true friendship. I also see her teaching others on campus, and I heard that converting people is part of what they have to do. I'm grateful to have someone who challenges my ability to defend my truth.

Tell me your thoughts and experiences with the World Mission Society Church of God. Just to clarify, I'm not making fun of her church or trying to spread hate. I just want to know about people's experiences or if I should be cautious. Feel free to disagree with me. All opinions are appreciated!!! Thankyou!!

It is more pathetic leeching off of the prosperity of K-pop and K-dramas. I remember them saying that "Father allowed the song 'Gangnam Style' to be so successful so that Korean culture can spread and prepare people for the truth."

Maybe we should just normalize the term K-Cults instead?

I was once told not to wear a hat while preaching due to being male. It was cold out and I had a beanie or some type of cap that fit in with my business casual preaching clothes. I was told that the head covering regulation, which also includes males, states that a man should not have his head covered when "prophesying" and that means preaching. I asked why then do sisters not wear their head covering when preaching. He said with a totally straight face, "because people would think it was weird."

Not only that but even during prayer time in public places sisters would pray discreetly without head covering.