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6.5/10 on IMDb?

75% on rottentomatoes?

Huh, that's it? Did we watch the same movie? This is up there with the best of George A. Romero, John Carpenter and Dario Argento. It was even featured on Bravo's 100 Scariest Movie Moments of All Time special. Where are my Beyond lovers at?

GODDAMN! This freaking trailer made the movie look like The Dark Knight. It's better than the actual movie.

and there will never be anything like it ever again. It makes The Bear look like shit LOL

Hasn't been able to be updated since yesterday afternoon. I have the most recent Tivimate version. I tried updating manually, individually, etc, to no avail. Force close and clear cache didn't work either. I don't know what to do. Can you guys help? I'm on a VPN as well.

First of all, let me start off by saying that I'm 57 years old, so I've seen everything, played everything, and know everything, so sit back, shut up, and listen to my wisdom because I'm about to teach you a valuable listen. When I talk to you, you LISTEN.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance is the worst game I've ever played because it mistakes inconvenience for depth and punishment for realism.

At 57 years of living, presumably I've developed enough patience to tolerate a game that asks something of me. Kingdom Come doesn’t ask something of you. It wastes your time and then congratulates itself for doing so. You want to save your progress? Here’s a bizarre restriction. You want to fight? Enjoy wrestling with a combat system that seems designed to make you question your life choices. You want to travel somewhere? Fantastic, watch your character slowly move across Bohemia while the game finds another opportunity to interrupt you.

And that’s the real crime: Kingdom Come: Deliverance constantly confuses “this is realistic” with “this is enjoyable.” Being terrible at sword fighting because you’re a peasant is defensible. Making the player spend hours becoming competent at basic gameplay mechanics is less defensible. There’s a difference between immersion and tedious bureaucracy, and Kingdom Come repeatedly plants its flag on the bureaucracy side.

The combat is especially guilty. The game essentially tells you, “You are not a trained warrior,” and then makes sure you feel that fact every time you try to hit somebody. Instead of making you feel like a character gradually mastering combat, it can make you feel like you personally have been denied permission to have fun.

Then there’s the sheer audacity of its simulation. You need to eat. You need to sleep. Your clothes matter. Your reputation matters. Your equipment matters. Your skills matter. Your decisions matter. Your timing matters. Apparently, everything matters except your desire to actually get on with the stupid freaking game.

And people will inevitably tell you, “But that’s the point!”

No. That is not a defense. “The game intentionally wastes your time” is still “the game wastes your time.” A developer can deliberately make a frustrating experience, but intentional frustration doesn't magically become good design.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance is also one of those games where its biggest defenders can become part of the problem. Tell them you hate it and they'll explain that you simply haven't understood it. Tell them the combat feels awful and they'll tell you to train more. Tell them the progression is tedious and they'll tell you that the tedium creates immersion. Tell them you don't enjoy spending your evening doing medieval chores and they'll practically accuse you of being historically illiterate.

At some point, you have to be allowed to say, “I don't care how historically authentic this is. I'm having a miserable time.”

And after 57 years on this earth, I have earned the right to reject a video game because it isn't fun.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance isn't merely a game I disliked, it is the final boss of unnecessary friction, tedium, and frustration: a game that looks you directly in the eye and says, “Would you like to spend the next 80 hours becoming mildly competent at things you didn't particularly want to do?”

And your answer, quite reasonably, should be: “Absolutely not.”

When this movie came out, everybody, I mean EVERYBODY was talking about. Even your Sunday school teacher at church talked about this movie, that's how huge it was. I still recall my Math teacher mumbling to himself over and over, "Saw IV, Saw IV, Saw IV", during his lunchbreak because he could not stop thinking about it.

And can you believe it, this came out only TWO YEARS after the iconic 2005 horror documentary Grizzly Man, and it came out ONE YEAR before the James Bond movie Quantum of Solace, which still has the best movie trailer to this day.

Where were you and what were you doing when SAW IV hit the big screen. All I know is, I was pissing my pants in the theater and I'm lucky I didn't get caught. I ran out of there before the theater attendants got in and realized who did it. :D

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So the Dark Knight Rises is waaaaaay better.

The Dark Knight Rises hits harder emotionally because it's built on everything Bruce Wayne has already lost. By the time the movie starts, he's physically broken, emotionally isolated, and carrying the weight of Rachel's death, Harvey Dent's fall, and years of guilt. It isn't just another superhero adventure. It's the final chapter of a man asking whether his life has meant anything beyond suffering. Every major decision Bruce makes feels like it's coming from years of pain rather than a sudden plot twist.

What makes it especially emotional is that Bruce isn't fighting to prove he's the strongest person in the room. He's fighting because Gotham needs hope, even if it costs him everything. The prison sequence is a perfect example. Climbing out isn't really about escaping a hole in the ground. It's about Bruce choosing life again after spending years waiting to die. Hans Zimmer's score, the chanting, and Christian Bale's performance all build that moment into something much bigger than a simple comeback.

The ending also carries a lot of weight because it finally rewards Bruce after an entire trilogy of sacrifice. Seeing him survive, pass the mantle to the next generation, and finally allow himself a peaceful life feels earned because the audience watched him struggle for three movies. It's a rare superhero ending that feels genuinely bittersweet instead of just setting up the next sequel.

Spider-Man: Brand New Day has emotional potential, especially after No Way Home left Peter completely alone, but it starts from a clean slate. It has to build new relationships, new conflicts, and a new emotional foundation before it can deliver the same kind of payoff. The Dark Knight Rises benefits from years of storytelling that make every scene feel like the culmination of Bruce's entire journey.

The themes are also broader. The Dark Knight Rises explores fear, sacrifice, redemption, legacy, and the idea that symbols can outlive people. Bruce isn't just saving Gotham from a villain. He's trying to inspire an entire city to believe in itself again. That gives the movie an emotional scale that goes beyond one character's personal struggles.

Brand New Day will probably focus more on Peter's loneliness, responsibility, and rebuilding his life after everyone forgot who he is. Those are powerful ideas, but until the movie actually develops them, they're mostly possibilities. The Dark Knight Rises already delivers on its emotional promises with scenes that have become iconic, from Alfred breaking down at Bruce's grave to Gordon reading Bruce's final words and realizing who Batman really was.

That's ultimately why many people see The Dark Knight Rises as the more emotional film. Its biggest moments feel earned through years of loss, sacrifice, and character growth, and the ending provides a sense of closure that's rare in superhero movies. Even people who debate its plot can still connect with Bruce Wayne's journey because it's fundamentally about a man finding hope after believing he had nothing left.