Building Niv Mizzet, Visionary for Bracket 3: Even Worth Attempting?

Building Niv Mizzet, Visionary for Bracket 3: Even Worth Attempting?

I got the itch to play a commander that draws a lot of cards and I found [[Niv Mizzet, Visionary]], who I thought looked sick. Like 95% of my games are played in B3.

However, upon playtesting some decks online that are labeled as B3 with Niv, it feels like you cast him and either maybe storm off for the win the same turn or definitely storm off for the win the next turn if he is allowed to stick around.

It kind of just feels like if he's built with any level of competent synergy at all then the deck will be too strong for Bracket 3. Am I wrong about that, and if not, what is a good bracket 3 commander that draws a ton of cards?

u/RealisticMolasses — 22 hours ago
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Is it bad etiquette to build decks that specifically punish the weaknesses in how your local meta builds decks?

My local commander meta plays almost no board wipes or ways to remove a lot of creatures at once. They play an okay amount of spot removal, but I've tried to convince them that at least some options for removing threats en masse are necessary. They argue that wipes, even one-sided ones, either ruin their tempo or get in the way of them playing more gas.

So, I built a bracket 3 [[Jetmir, Nexus of Revels]] tokens deck to visually illustrate the need for wide removal. Except, some players are now complaining the deck is oppressive because it's too overhwhelming rather than adjusting their decks at all.

Now, I don't really know how to proceed. Was I wrong to build the deck in the first place? Is it too strong for the power level of the meta just because the meta refuses to adapt how they play?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 12 days ago

Are there triggers that work differently on Arena than paper?

I just recently started played arena and have used Ajani, Nacatl Pariah a little, but think I might be missing something about his planeswalker side and token doublers in Arena.

In paper Magic, the official WOTC ruling is that if an effect causes Ajani, Nacatl Avenger's +0 to create 2 cat warrior tokens instead of one, then the reflexive deal damage trigger goes on the stack twice. So, you get to fling damage equal to your amount of creatures twice.

Unless, I am missing something, I am only getting one fling trigger, even with doublers out. Did they change how he worked for Arena? And are there other examples of this?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 12 days ago

Does the interaction between Ajani, Nacatl Avenger and token doublers work different than paper?

I just recently started played arena and have used Ajani a little, but think I might be missing something.

In paper Magic, the ruling is that if an effect causes Ajani's +0 to create 2 cat warrior tokens instead of one, then the reflexive deal damage trigger goes on the stack twice. So, you get to fling damage equal to your amount of creatures twice.

Unless, I am missing something, I am only getting one fling trigger, even with doublers out. Did they change how he worked for Arena?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 12 days ago

Is my Windgrace list Bracket 3?

I recently started playing at a new LGS. My favorite deck is my Lord Windgrace deck. It's kind of a ramp into good stuff deck, with the primary wincons being through creating a lot of tokens and Craterhoof'ing or a really big cast of Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate.

The playgroup of friends I used to play with didn't have a problem with the deck, but it has been handedly winning games at my new LGS. It is 4-1 at the store, and the one game I lost I still presented a win through infinite creature tokens if I was allowed to untap.

Tonight, someone asked me why I was bringing a B4 deck to B3 tables, but I really think this deck would get absolutely stomped by actual B4 decks lol.

Am I correct, and if so, how do you deal with a meta that does not accurately gauge deck power?

https://moxfield.com/decks/PggYl66uEUS3bk-WVW__tQ

u/RealisticMolasses — 23 days ago

Advice on Ajani, Nacatl Pariah deck built around Avenger's 0 Ability?

The main idea is to just create a lot of tokens to fling a lot of damage around, and especially use token doubling effects to double up on the reflexive trigger element and fling more damage.

I don't care about cat synergy specifically, so I included enough to consistently transform Ajani, but pulled a lot from goblins as well. The desired power level is a mid-3.

It is playtesting okay, but curious if I can make the token creation more efficient or otherwise improve the deck.

https://moxfield.com/decks/mGytQdIo50aNftsmixbe-g

u/RealisticMolasses — 26 days ago

Found this, some people I know assume it is Steph Curry because of #30, but it doesn't look like Steph autos I see online

The Curry's are originally local to the area we live, so it makes it a little more intriguing, but it just looks different than what I'm seeing online.

u/RealisticMolasses — 1 month ago

Interaction between creature tokens created by Anikthea, Hand of Erebos and Myriad

I have been goldfishing an [[Anikthea, Hand of Erebos]] deck that I brewed, and this is one that I am unsure about.

If I have a [[legion loyalty]] on the battlefield and swing with a crew of enchantment creature tokens put onto the battlefield by Anikthea, do they retain their 3/3 power that she gives them, or their original printed values?

Similarly, if they do retain original printed values, what does that imply for enchantments that are not creatures at all that are animated by Anikthea? Do they just come in as tapped enchantments that are not attacking (because they are not creatures)?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 1 month ago

I may possibly have a type of gameplay that I prefer

Only noticed how many lands-based commanders I had when putting together this post. They all have slightly different strategies, but they obviously contain a lot of the same staples lol. I try to only play one of them per night.

Can I sit even though I have 5 lands matter commanders?

u/RealisticMolasses — 1 month ago
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Is mechanical synergy allowed in bracket 1?

This is not a post about an attempt to min-max bracket 1 lol, I am just legitimately curious about what is allowed in the lowest bracket.

My LGS recently announced a bracket 1 night event that is coming up, and I wasn't feeling particularly inspired, so I threw together an oops all keywords [[Odric, Lunarch Marshal]] deck that was 45 plains and then just 54 creatures with keywords. Literally no source of ramp, removal, stax, or interaction whatsoever, just sharing a bunch of combat keywords around.

This is kind of what my idea of bracket 1 was, just a kitchen table pile of cards.

But then I asked my buddy what deck he was bringing and he said that his deck was literally just every creature was wearing a hat with no mechanical syngery at all, and now I am wondering if the very bad Odric deck I built is still outside of the expectations for B1 lol.

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
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Is it bad etiquette to scoop after your board is wiped to an unrecoverable state?

I was playing a game with randoms recently where I cast a [[Sylvan Awakening]] on turn 8 to knock two players out, but a player responded with [[Evacuation]]. I had already lost three extra land enablers to removal earlier in the game and had no ramp in hand.

The problem was that I was still at 38 life at this point, and because everyone's creatures were bounced, nobody was in a position to actually complete the process of eliminating me soon. So, with no creatures or lands on the board, I scooped during my second main phase.

Two of the other players got annoyed and said it was lame to scoop before you had clearly lost. I said that when everybody else has full mana bases, including rocks, and all of my source is mana is gone going into turn 9, that I have clearly lost.

I'm not denying that I got punished for overextending, but does that automatically mean it is bad etiquette to scoop?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
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Help with Ziatora, the Incinerator deck

I admittedly have never built my own decks. I usually just find a list online for a commander that I like that does what I want to do and put that together. I really like [[Ziatora, the Incinerator]], and so this is my first actual attempt at deckbuilding, so I wanted feedback because it is probably bad lol.

Henzie will probably get chopped from the deck because he was one of my first includes with the intention of using yhe treasures to cheat out big CMC fatties, but I didn't actually end up including very many.

https://moxfield.com/decks/oFP9Hkz4V06Q7I1BqYlYgA

u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago

Feedback on Ziatora, the Incinterator deck

Self-admittedly, I've never built my own decks. I usually just try to find a list online that does what I want with a commander and build that, so this is my first attempt at building a deck, so I am very prepared for it to not be very good lol.

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Edit: Henzie will probably get axed. He was one of the first guys I added with an intention of paying off the treasures with big CMC dudes, but I didn't actually end up putting enough in to justify him

u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
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Expected turns before losing and players putting up no defenses?

I had stepped away from the game when the bracket system was introduced, and only came back a couple of months ago.

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Since coming back, I have run several times into sitting a table and someone is playing a voltron or aggro deck and, despite that, one of the players is just sitting there playing no creatures, only value pieces.

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When I've asked the defenseless player about it, they say they aren't allowed to be killed until turn 6 (or 8 if we are playing B2).

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Is this normal? Because even a low-B2 voltron deck could probably table 21 commander damage by turn 5 or 6, so it feels like some type of social expectation is being exploited here.

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
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Who is a stronger bracket 3 commander: Lord Windgrace or Hearthull?

[[Lord Windgrace]] was my first commander deck, and he is still my favorite, but I've been in a weird spot with him ever since the brackets were introduced.

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Windgrace, at its most powerful usually relies on MLD, which is obviously banned below bracket 4. However, within bracket 4, Windgrace MLD is usually too weak to compete. So, the strongest form of Windgrace exists in a no man's land within the bracket system.

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So, I've been considering rebuilding the deck around [[Hearthull, the WorldSeed]] as a B3 lands deck, but I've had some hesitation trying to decide which is a better pilot of a lands deck.

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
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Is turn to win for bracket purposes based on goldfishing or actual game results?

I have a [[Lathril, Blade of the Elves]] deck that my desired power level is bracket 3. When goldfishing, it pretty consistently presents a win through [[Staff of Domination]] shenanigans by turn 5, sometimes turn 4 if the hand is right. I do have tutors to find the necessary pieces.

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However, in practice, usually my board gets interrupted in real games and wins are not presented until 2 or 3 turns later, if I am allowed to rebuild at all by other players.

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So, is the deck bracket 4 because it can consistently present wins when uninterrupted earlier than the bracket anticipates, or is it bracket 3 because it is not resilient enough to win through interaction?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago

If locally-owned grocery stores want your money, they need to provide comparable prices to the corporations.

A lot of people scream the importance of supporting local businesses, but I am not in the business of paying several dollars extra per item just to say I didn’t buy from Walmart.

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If you're offering a product that is unique to your shop or comparably priced items like produce, I can get behind supporting that. But I'm not buying Fruit Loops for $8, when the massive companies sell them for $4.

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Yes, I know that a lot of times the corporations are either selling at a loss on some items or only able to sell so low because they get massive bulk discount rates. I find neither of those to be convincing justifications for choosing the higher priced location.

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
▲ 173 r/EDH

Should I announce that I am playing proxies when playing at a new LGS?

I played commander for a long time with a group of friends, never playing at an LGS, but that group has since stopped playing together due to all moving.

I decided recently I wanted to try to get back into commander at a LGS. I have two decks that are entirely real cards, and seven decks that are fully proxied (all 100 cards, including lands lol). The proxies are full-art proxies from MPC. Since the entire deck is proxied, there is no disparity in how the cards feel.

I didn't go crazy with building outrageously expensive proxied decks. Most would cost $300-400 if built with real cards, and usually slot in around bracket 3 or really low bracket 4.

I just don't know if I am expected to volunteer that my decks are proxied before playing with people.

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
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How to build commanders that cheat big stuff out in a way that the deck doesn't turn off without them?

I'm just now getting back into EDH after a few years of not playing, and I've admittedly never been the best deckbuilder.

I've tried to build decks like [[Atla Palani, Nest Tender]] and [[Helga, Skittish Seer]] with the main theme being cheating out big creatures. However, the issues I have run into are that the decks do very little if the commander is not on the board, and the commanders are a magnet for removal. So, I basically just usually get stuck with a hand full of high CMC creatures that I am turns away from playing.

Is it possible to lessen the glass cannon-element of decks like these without abandoning the theme of slapping down huge creatures?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 2 months ago
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Are oversized convoys allowed to ignore traffic laws in certain circumstances?

I started a job in the last year that happens to include a section on the commute where these convoys frequently connect from one highway to another, so I see oversize load convoys probably once or twice a week.

There are two behaviors that I am really wondering about. The first is that their trail cars will often cut drivers off. Like I will watch their trail car wait until drivers are 2-3 car lengths behind and then quickly swerve over to block them from attempting to pass. They sometimes do this when the oversized load is not currently blocking both lanes.

The other one is that these convoys run red lights all the time. An example of this that I saw the other day was the lead car went through on a yellow, stopped in the middle of the intersection so that the truck could go through on red, and then two trailing cars also ran the red light behind the truck.

I understand these loads might need to get creative on how to navigate the roads, but I am just curious if behaviors like these are technically legal?

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u/RealisticMolasses — 3 months ago