Does anyone else experience this? When this "I" comes into the equation (they show interest in something more instead of just flirting, or I WANT someone), I seem to self sabotage.
Being able to fully communicate what’s on our mind without inhibition is my favorite trait. But it’s a double edged sword when we’re desperate and trying to get that charm again and it comes across as offensive and personal.
Perhaps the latter is narcissism turned pure? There is something about narcissism that has some sort of 'life' to it, albeit negative. If narcissism is suppressed, you don't experience the same thing that allows you to feel creativity, beauty, etc. It feels like they're two sides of the same coin.
jungian lens?
I have been going through this cycle ever since I was a kid.
First, I'd be detached, cool and confident. Easily charismatic and could even annoy someone and they find it endearing, because I don't care. Empathetic, can detect subtle nuances in convo.
Then comes excitement and slight overconfidence. I know I have this charm going, get attached to that and reality-testing goes down. I stop thinking. Or it comes after the gathering ends, and I'd get very attached to the group after our gathering, and chase and self sabotage.
Here I always do something which precedes shame somehow. In my head, I can already sense I lost the charm, and whatever I say will not yield the intended outcome I am hoping for, too. I can sense the negative outcome coming. But, I still do it, for some reason. And the outcome can be visually indiscernible, like a slight tone shift that confirms my charm has been lost. Or it could be something I find really bad, like getting annoyed at me in front of everyone.
And once I'd felt shame, I could never be confident again for a long time. In my head, it felt like everyone remembers even this one small slip up (which could have been visually indiscernible, even a small expression shift), thus I have no right to be anything better than that image. I get severely attached to the group I slipped up in.
Can anyone help me understand this in the Jungian lens?
I have been going through this cycle ever since I was a kid.
First, I'd be detached, cool and confident. Easily charismatic and could even annoy someone and they find it endearing, because I don't care. Empathetic, can detect subtle nuances in convo.
Then comes excitement and slight overconfidence. I know I have this charm going, get attached to that and reality-testing goes down. I stop thinking. Or it comes after the gathering ends, and I'd get very attached to the group after our gathering, and chase and self sabotage.
Here I always do something which precedes shame somehow. In my head, I can already sense I lost the charm, and whatever I say will not yield the intended outcome I am hoping for, too. I can sense the negative outcome coming. But, I still do it, for some reason. And the outcome can be visually indiscernible, like a slight tone shift that confirms my charm has been lost. Or it could be something I find really bad, like getting annoyed at me in front of everyone.
And once I'd felt shame, I could never be confident again for a long time. In my head, it felt like everyone remembers even this one small slip up (which could have been visually indiscernible, even a small expression shift), thus I have no right to be anything better than that image. I get severely attached to the group I slipped up in.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Eg. hearing music and wishing it was associated with better memories. Things you wished you did, relationships, moments not lived in the present.
Is this an ENTP thing?
I have strong, quick-witted ENTP traits when I'm alone and online. Eg. script writing, funny texting, rapid fire idea generation in business. Have some sensory overload IRL, but when alone it feels like I've internalized the 'digital world', which allows for very quick thinking. I've navigated the world (eg. entrepreneurship, money) more efficiently online than IRL
However as it turns out, I am great at Se when I think no one’s watching. Excellent at effortless basketball shooting when I’m alone and I’ve gotten into the flow. Or at a dark party.
Why is this?
Is it that primal “in your body feeling” like when you can feel the sunlight on your skin without mentally filtering it? Or the feeling you get from endorphins after a workout
Im probably misunderstanding what a cognitive function is, but
I am confused because it’s also associated with perception, and Se users are contrasted against people who are bad at registering the environment. When I feel that primal experience, I’m not necessarily good with that stuff, as I am when I am more cerebral.
I love social environments, I am empathic and very attuned to the dynamics, people's personality, and able to give good advice. But I suck when I have to come in the picture. Eg. if I become too attached, and it's a problem I become involved in. I cannot view myself the way I can view others. Charisma turns into repulsion.
Similarly, in business, I'm very good at seeing the big picture, orchestrating, and hiring out to get results. But whenever I have to personally do something, or I have to do it for something like survival, then perfectionism, self sabotage kicks in. Vision is lost.
What exactly is this idea of self that kicks in? How would you interpret this in the Jungian lens?
When I was young it used to be when "guy talk" like sports came up.
Perhaps through shadow work, did you figure out the reason
Some functions don't come naturally that I've had to develop. They do not flow with my usual mental flow.
When I use them Sometimes they accompany a subtle sense of pride. For me its doing narrow, focused work, or using logical analysis / memory retrieval.
This is going to be very hard to put into words as I’m describing with wavering focus on a very abstract feeling that’s hard to remember.
Sometimes I’d just get these realizations after an event occurred that allowed me to use my own independent mind, That broke insecurities, stress.
example - when I was young I had this weird feeling that everyone knew each other or had this connection that I was missing out on. But, when someone gossiped about their friend to me or betrayed them- that idea in me just broke and I felt that relief and no insecurity again. That no one had this connection or maybe they did but I was desperately seeking it rather than being myself . Everyone used their own mind that wasn’t dependent on anyone, and so could I now. Once I had that realization I got along with people my own way. I was calm. Sort of “like All these ideas of not fitting in, everyone is just playing their own game. Why wasn’t I?” But that reasoning doesn’t seem accurate or is just a byproduct of something deeper.
Eg. When worried about security, education, wealth, one time I heard news about AI taking jobs and felt again that freedom I had as a kid when I realized - there are no written rules. And that programmed stress in me faded away.
And I truly embraced responsibility for my own wealth at that moment. No societal bullshit. I had to do it with my own thinking. I felt true creativity and the ability to make wealth - no more insecurity in sales calls, no perfectionism, etc
Felt this with parents too- felt they had some weird connection I was left out of. This one is strange. When young, I also had this weird idea they told each other everything about me or just knew everything I did (for lack of explanation). But if one of them spoke about the other without their knowledge, or said they didn’t have a - once again that feeling of freedom realization. No one was going to save me. “I gracefully accept full responsibility and play this like a game now.”
In school I’d always felt like people already had some innate quality that I was missing out on. To adopt them, I was trying so hard to grasp at that abstract quality
Eg. Group social connection, academic intelligence. But those ideas disappeared with these realizations. So perhaps my intuition was right in sensing those abstract phenomena. But, i was sensing and chasing my lack of it? Because I was conditioned to?
In school Felt like my ADHD was challenging societal norms and rejecting all methods they’d try to teach- couldn’t even focus on and grasp some things and would adopt wittiness, creativity and clever workarounds. But with this feeling it felt like I was gracefully accepting these societal norms, learning them gracefully, seeing them for what they are.
But that feeling gets more elusive and fleeting as I get older.
So I’m wondering what this weird phenomenon is in jungian lens. is it complexes being broken? Societal conditioning?
Thank you for reading this.
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We could take it down for recording without consent but that could lead to further backlash.
The question is, what should we do about the negative image spreading of the restaurant that is evident per the comments?
Think of that annoying / flirty dynamic with a girl (eg. lightly teasing her, girl annoyed in an amused way)
Is this an expression of an archetype or something? how would you view it?
Same people, same school. Nothing negative. Why is this in Jungian lens? Is there something I need to address?
I’m not asking for interpretation, just possible reasons of having continuous childhood dreams or dreams of the past
People who have had recurring childhood dreams what was your experience of and resolution?
As a test I described something affecting 3% of the population and it claimed it’s common. It could just be trying social lubricant / validation at the start, but that affects the quality of answers in such cases
Especially claiming things like mental illnesses are common creates complacency, a wrong view of the world/social understanding, to people who have difficulty grasping them
Using a lot of LOA buzzwords here. Would Jung believe the ability to accumulate wealth/money is causal, or there is something underlying that determines your wealth / abundance.
I can definitely attest that not worrying and a calm mind helps you spot opportunities and win better. But, is there something deeper?
Personal anecdote:
When I was young I started my own business from ground up. I was not good at “common sense” and was “plastic”, and immersing myself in a flashy media niche led me to believe narratives about money flowing easily- just being focused on the creative stuff and it comes as a byproduct, shared in the circle and all that. And not until later I learned otherwise. And it did for me. I remember writing in my notes at 16, that it feels like money has some magical flow when you aren’t stingy and overly attached. And this is before I had any idea about the law of abundance / attraction stuff