First Marine

First Marine

First marine for my Minotaur's army!

A dying Lamenter, too weak to quite line up the shot on the Minotaur that's going to be standing over him, using him as a tactical rock.

u/bs_Zeezee — 14 hours ago

Boy: Half American, Half Japanese, Half Nephilim, Half Yōkai

Is it possible that Boy is a Dhampyr? I know a lot of people have theorized that he's a shifter, specifically a Black Shuck, but I am not sold.

Is Dhampyr an option? apparently they awaken at Puberty, and as we see in one of the intermission screens early on, when he went to live with the family he had been hit with "Puberty-disease".

We also hear in an intermission screen that his all meat diet has made him VERY powerful.

Dhampyr's have two canonical variations, one born of thin-blood vampires, and one born of Kuei-Jin. The show has been playful with Kuei-Jin thusfar, implying that they don't really exist, as a meta critique of how racist the writing behind them was, homogenizing virtually all cultures in Asia. So we should probably assume that if he is a Dhampyr, his mother is a thin-blooded vampire, but still enough reference to Kuei-Jin that it makes his OC being half-japanese a funny reference.

I have found very little info on the actual Dietary needs of Dhampyr's. It appears that they may shift dramatically, and that they may need to drink blood occasionally, but can also eat human food, but that the food they prefer may become more predatory? The all meat diet sounds like it might be an attempt to slake his hunger.

The appearance of Dhampyr's as thinbloods begin to reproduce with humans is also considered an omen of Gehenna (vampire end of world). So, Horse recognizing him as a Oracle may be because he was born into such an important position of living Omen.

>"THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE...
DESICCATED ON THE ROCKS, BY THY HAND.."

Is sounding CONCERNINGLY less.... metaphorical now. It's Do or die time after all.

If we REALLY consider this possibility, it sounds like Door's (ex?) wife was a thin-blood. Seemingly one who tried to lead a human life. One who wanted to raise her son to do the same. When he started to undergo puberty, Door took him, so his father with his expertise might try help the boy harness his strength, while not becoming like a vampire. Boy grows grows angry, throwing rocks, acting out (barely mentioned except that one intermission screen), until they switch him to an all meat diet, placating the predatory urges of his vampire blood a bit. But from here, as the story is progressing, it seems like the Prophecy is about to start coming together, which may see him undergo a MASSIVE burst in his vampiric sides thirst, and first-kill his own father.

I am a little concerned that next episode, Stig may find the camp, mistake Door for Big D, as he is the greatest hunter arround in D's absence. and Boy, trying to save his father from being taken, may end up drawing on dormant vampiric power, overwhelming him with hunger, and resulting in him killing his own father.

Edit: WAIT NO! I AM INCREASINGLY WORRIED THAT THE HER IN THE PROPHECY AND THE MENTION OF "The abbot" IS ABOUT FUCKING BENEDICTE BLACKLAW! WILL SHE WALK IN ON IT!? WILLS HE RECOGNIZE BOY AS A HALF-VAMPIRE!? IS THE WORD "DAMNATION" IN THE PROPHECY IN REFERENCE TO D SAYING DAMNATION AND HER SAYING "THE OPPOSITE" IMPLYING SALVATION!? IS SHE GOING TO FUCKING KIDNAP BOY TO BE RAISED AS A CATHOLIC HALF-VAMPIRE VAMPIRE HUNTER!? OHHHHHNOOOOOOOOO

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u/bs_Zeezee — 6 days ago

Sprue Goo + Blue Stuff??????

I want to create a number of fairly specific armor modifications to attach to my chapters chestplates replacing the aquila/Imperialis.

Has anyone here tried making a mold with blue-stuff, and filling it with sprue goo to create small bits like this?

Are there any issues I should know about? I know that if it's too thick it will take too long to evaporate the solvent from the sproo goo, but could this work if it's thin enough?

I don't need to model entire chestplates, just a small detail I can use some more sproo goo to attach to the chest.

If I can't I'm going to be modeling a LOT of chestplates by hand with green stuff, and it's going to be PRETTY inconsistent.

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u/bs_Zeezee — 6 days ago

Blood Angels Successor Gene-seed curse.

Intro:
Hey, I had an idea a bit ago for an aesthetic for a Blood Angels successor chapter.

I'm thinking themes derived from mythology of like Icarus primarily but Hermes maybe a bit secondarily.

Kitbash wise, their flying units have grav-chutes on their boots as an homage to Hermes winged sandals.

Their armor is like a weird waxy white color.
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The meat of the matter:

I want them to have a weird gene-seed curse. Either a mutation on the Red Thirst, or Black Rage, or some entirely new third curse unique to them that in some way feels referential to Icarus (maybe a smidgeon of Hermes). Something that feels like the same vein of hubris and tragedy as Icarus flying to close to the sun.

Everyone keeps suggesting that it should just be that when they enter the black-rage they start overheating, and cook themselves from the inside out, but that doesn't really strike me as tragic in the same way.

They we either made in the Dark Founding or the Cursed founding, and something about their nature, or the nature of their curse has made them outcast from the rest of the blood angels successors.

Anyone have any ideas?

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u/bs_Zeezee — 7 days ago

People who don't understand severe poverty.

I fucking hate it, when you try to allude to how poor you are, and things poverty limits you from doing and people are just like "WHY DON'T YOU JUST..." and then say SOME ALTERNATIVE THAT IS ALSO EXPENSIVE. SOMETIMES MORE EXPENSIVE!

Have these motherfuckers never struggled a day in their lives?

AND I'M NOT EVEN THE POOREST PERSON I KNOW! THESE MOTHERFUCKERS HEADS WOULD EXPLODE IF THEY WENT TO VISIT SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN A HALF COLLAPSED TRAILER HEATED BY A WOODSTOVE, WITH NO RUNNING WATTER AND SPERATIC ELECTRICITY!

(context: I am disabled, but don't qualify for real disability benefits for reasons I don't even fully understand, but can't work, so live off of less a month than the average rent in the country)

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u/bs_Zeezee — 8 days ago

Vanguard Veterans =NAKED MARINES (Lacking armor keyword)

So, the majority of Primaris space marines have a keyword representing their configuration of Mark X power armor. For the most part, Tacticus, Phobos, and Gravis. There are exceptions, like mounted units not having their armor's keyword (Lookin' at you outriders), or Suppressors not having an armor keyword despite in more having the rare fourth configuration of Omnis armor. Another exception are Scout Marines since they lack full power armor.

The new Vanguard Veterans also DO NOT HAVE an armor related keyword. This feels strange to me. They are in may ways Assault Intercessors with Jumppack +. The cooler Assault Intercessor with Jumppack. Importantly... those do have the Tacticus Keyword.

I tried looking at a few vehicles/transports, or detachment related rules to see if this would cause any real problems, and I must admit, I can't find any. "Oh they can ride Rhinos because of tha-" no they can't, those don't allow jump packs. "Oh they can't ride Impulso-" nah dog, they couldn't anyways because of their jump-pack.

So without any real issues caused by this, I can't really call it a PROBLEM, but for all I know, I, a noob, am just missing a big glaring issue. Does anyone else see any problems related to this? to me the weirdest thing is, it feels like they should be in Parity with Assault Intercessors with Jumppack, and they aren't because of this.

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u/bs_Zeezee — 12 days ago

Rewatching chapter 4 after chapter 6

>!Oh fuck oh fuck I am SO excited for when we get to see what D and Brock are up to in the Umbra. Like, I JUST rewatched chapter 4, and I had forgotten ALL ABOUT how D and Brock fought in that episode, and D was actually impressed with how tough Brock is, saying that his dad could never take hits like that. FUUUUUCK now that I think about it, we haven't really thought about WHAT happens when they all rescue Marckus, but honestly if D is so impressed with Brock that it gives Marcky the impression that D is treating him as a protégé in any way shape or form, that may only further deepen the wedge between Marckus and D. Even if he doesn't do anything OVERTLY mentor like towards Brock, just the fact that D took him to the Umbra might fuck with Marckus. That he can hardly get a scrap of information from his own father, and now his bitter rival gets a trip to another dimension with his dad? OHHHH its gonna be good. I think we were all so hung up on the dad-bod werewolf, the death of our favorite sea-urchin, and Wyrm-jesus that we've lost scope of some of these more basic elements of the characters and setting, and what this latest chapter set up to deliver on prior chapters. I'm SO excited! see you all in 6 months! (JK their upload speed has increased shockingly)!<

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u/bs_Zeezee — 13 days ago

WHAT IS BIG D HIDING FROM!?

>!Okay so a LOT of stuff happened in Chapter 6. Lots of Theory fodder. Lots of new info. Great new Characters.... WHAT IS D HIDING FROM!? Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself.!<

>!So D.... BIG D.... there have been a lot of theories on WHAT he is... Maybe he's a Mage who doesn't realize it. Maybe he's a Mummy. Maybe he's an Imbued. Maybe he is some mortal avatar for the ancient Persian god Mithra. if there is a thing: There is a theory that THAT is what big D is. This is not a discussion about ANY of that. It's a interrogation of the question WHAT IS BIG D HIDING FROM!?.... let me explain.!<

>!In this Chapter D makes it clear that his preferred way of traversing the Umbra, is DELERIOUSLY ZOOTED OUT OF HIS MIND and for good reason. As he puts it to the others "you would manifest like lighthouses for spiritual threats". He only ends up taking Brock because Brock's been drinking the entire evening, and is "as dull as a rock!".!<

>!I would make this part clear.... I am not asking WHAT D IS HIDING FROM in this moment. I am asking in a broader sense. He did not just DECIDE to get fucked up to go into the Umbra. It's how he lives his life. Getting absolutely fucked on DMT, ayahuasca, Absinth, Persian Shadow Grass, likely a half dozen other substances mentioned that I can't remember off the top of my head! He doesn't just dull himself spiritually for forays into the Umbra, he makes it a lifestyle, a constant precaution against something. A CONSTANT dulling of his spirit so it doesn't shine out to spiritual threats. Those spiritual threats mentioned are most dangerous and most attracted if you venture into the Umbra, but the Umbra overlays physical reality, they can sense and pose some danger even to things in the Fleshen World.!<

>!So Finally I ask my question.... WHAT IS D HIDING FROM!? and WHY!? what on EARTH, or rather WHAT IN THE REALMS OF THE UMBRA could be such a threat to him that he is CONSTANTLY fucked up to try and hide from it!? Or I guess that's not a very good question, WHAT it is could be anything, there are ENDLESS HORRORS that could be a threat, but WHY HIM!? It could be Evil Spirits, Banes, Demons, Spectres, COUNTLESS OTHER THINGS. And there is some relationship there... There is either something about him, or something he has done, that has made him a number one target. Some reason he must hide from them by getting absolutely FUCKED UP constantly..... OOoooooOOOoor Maybe he's just an addict in the fashion of **Gasp**.... My god, I know what the D stands for. He is BIG Harry DUBOIS!!<

But uhhh no that last dumb joke aside, I'd love to hear anyone else' opinion on if you think there is something to all this. Some deeper thread related to his behavior and how we should reinterpret it in the light of this new context.
>!And if you are an artist, feel free to draw the fucked up half-waypoint between Harry and Big D.!<

u/bs_Zeezee — 18 days ago

What The Dog Doin'?

>!Okay I've seen a LOT of really good analysis of the seemingly Wyrm corrupted image of Jesus, but I am also curious.... What the dog doin'? No like..... I get that this may just be a temporary spiritual representation of him being momentarily cowed before the sight of Wyrm-Jesus. But is that it? is this anything else? Does anyone who knows Werewolf the Werewolfening or Norse Mythology or anything have a deeper read on why that dog is there?!<

u/bs_Zeezee — 19 days ago

Spikey bits: What are they, where to get them, and why they look so damn cool.

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Hey Sons of Horus. New Minotaurs Army builder here. I'm starting collecting kits to kitbash my army, and have taken REAL interest in the spiked Pauldrons a few Horus Heresy kits have. I am trying to give my Minotaurs a real "bully" vibe and think these would be great, but I have a couple questions.

  1. Are these spikes a variety of Molecular Bonding Stud or are they an entirely different thing? are they just ornamentation common to the gangs of Cthonia, that have been integrated into the armor design of the Sons of Horus?

  2. Are the Standard Bearer form the MKVI Legion Command Squad, and Vheren Ashurhaddon, the only place to get official pauldrons with these spikes? I am trying to avoid third party 3d printed bits from online, are there other ways you recommend making these? I've heard of someone using real punk-aesthetic Nail art spikes.

Thanks! Much love from the 41st millinium <3

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u/bs_Zeezee — 1 month ago

Hat on a Hat, or genuinely cool idea?

My planned 2000 point army is about a demi-company in size. About 50 battle brothers + specialists + command + vehicles. But they are overall, VERY veteran heavy, with a squad of bladeguard veterans, a squad of sternguard veterans, and a squad of Outriders I plan on painting as veterans and putting on jetbikes. I want something I can field as a Stormraven, but to illustrate how LUDICROUSLY well equipped the Minotaurs are, I was considering using a Corvus Blackstar as a proxy, and doing what I can to swap the weapon loadout to better match the Stormraven. This, plus wanting some Lamenters Pauldrons to put on dead marines at the feet of my Minotaurs got me considering picking up the the Armageddon Battalion: Deathwatch. This also comes a lot of bits I want, some that can be used mechanically (plasma pistol for instance) some of which are just aesthetic (servo skull, or the cooler deathwatch power packs, and more bodies for kitbashing).

My big question is, some veterans of the Deathwatch keep their silver pauldron once returning to their chapter: would this be an interesting and cool theme for my army? Make them specifically a contingent force or task force led by veterans of the deathwatch in the Minotaurs chapter: Picking out the sergeants from the veteran squads, the lieutenant, the captain, the Apothecary Biologis, and giving them Deathwatch pauldrons in place of their veteran / command designation pauldrons? Just as Thoul was said to lead Contingent Force Kappa(or whatever it was) under the order Xenos in Imperial Armory Vol. 12, have this as another task force, perhaps more specialized in tracking down space marines that have been either compromised by Xenos like a Enslaver infestation, Gene-stealer cult, or just too friendly with the Tau? I know Minotaurs thing is they frequently deploy as the entire chapter, but as that's not practical for tabletop games, I kinda like the idea of having a themed task force. But I don't know. Is that "Cool" or is that to much of a "Hat-on-a-hat" making it not really feel quintessentially Minotaurs enough?

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u/bs_Zeezee — 1 month ago

Markings (Squad and company, chapter honours)

So as I'm gearing up to build my army, I am getting REALLY in the weeds planning my paint jobs. One roadblock is markings. I've already looked over Imperial Armory Volumes 10 and 12, and have heard most peoples opinion of "rule of cool, just paint what looks good". Unfortunately, my brand of autism says an internal logic is cool.

Do any of you have preferences or opinions on how to denote squad and company?

Despite deploying most often as a whole chapter, the Minotaurs still have companies. They do not designate them with colors like other chapters. Any ideas? Any ideas? I had previously thought I could base it off particular areas of the armor painted red, but with Red pauldrons already seeming to denote Veteran status, and red arms seeming to be for particularly aggressive units (melee weapon arm, or heavy guns), I have started to dislike the idea of using other red armor plates to designate Company.

Likewise, I had considered using greek letters to designate squad, but much of the artwork shows individuals with many MANY different letters each, so I don't exactly have a good idea for that either, and think the letters may be more akin to campaign badges, showing their military history each.

Then there is the matter of the chapter honours. IAv10 makes note of 2 minotaur specific honours, the Bloody Mantle and Red Hand. One would assume that the Red Hand is designated by hands painted red, though the unit with it noted being a Dreadnought and not having its one hand (other is a gun) red seems to contradict this. The Terminator with the Bloody Mantle doesn't seem to have anything unique about it compared to other terminators. I am using Wolfguard Headtakers with weapons swapped for spears as proxies for my bladeguard veterans, and think I might throw some red paint on the fur, and say the Bloody Mantle is an actual animal hide mantle, with red paint (symbolically blood)

Does anyone have opinions on any of this? insights? ways you have denoted company or squad in your own Minotaurs Army?

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u/bs_Zeezee — 2 months ago

Minotaur Recruitment

**turns chair around and sits on it cool style**
Hey, lets talk about child soldiers.

Where do you guys think the Minotaur's get their new recruits from? I've never heard it said outright, just speculation that they pick new aspirants up anywhere they go. I've also heard that in inducting new members, and in maintaining current battle brothers, they employ a greater-than-average amount of hypno-indoctrination for a space marine chapter.

With that in mind, I'm gonna float you an idea.
Any time they are sent after another space marine chapter, they take their aspirants. They have someone talk the kids down "hey the chapter that was raising you was selected to be purged for doing PROBABLY heretical things, but we know you are all young and probably innocent, don't worry, you'll still get a chance to be space marines", talk them down just enough to agree to some hypno-indoctrination, and then erase their memory of the prior chapter, and possibly even their homeworlds.

I don't think this is necessarily true, but it feels appropriately fucked up, for the minotaur's, and in a disturbing way, almost parasitic on other chapters. What do you guys think?

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u/bs_Zeezee — 2 months ago

Sanguinary Guard, Lexicanum / Campaign - Crusade of Fire inconsistency.

I'll try to keep this short, but the Lexicanum gives a line, with a source, but looking the source up, what they are claiming on the Lexicanum DIRECTLY contradicts their own source.

>Sanguinary Guard:
While it has been stated that all of the Blood Angels' Successor Chapters maintain a Sanguinary Guard, following the same colour scheme as that used by the Blood Angels - with the exception of the Angels Encarmine, whose Sanguinary Guard instead wear alabaster white armour -^([1b]) never have the Flesh Tearers' Sanguinary Guard been shown in the same colours as the rest of the chapter.^([7])

Most emphasis on that last section:

>never have the Flesh Tearers' Sanguinary Guard been shown in the same colours as the rest of the chapter.^([7])

So we look at the source, number 7: Crusade of Fire (Campaign Book), pg. 31

We look it up. The only text on the sanguinary guard on the page is: (regarding kitbashing and mixing and matching parts to get a chosen aesthetic)

>The Flesh Tearers were no exception, and although some squads (such as the Sanguinary Guards) are built pretty much straight out of the box, most use components from all manner of kits (in particular the Death Company Box Set).

This only makes statement on building them, NOT painting them. The REAL contradiction comes from the image on that page, which in the army shows sanguinary guards painted in standard Flesh Tearers colors, not Sanguinary Guard gold.

This is an official publication from GW so, should the Lexicanum be edited to correct this inconsistency? replacing "never have the" with "although"

If anyone here has edit permissions, could you make this change? or at least start a discussion section and bring it up there?

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u/bs_Zeezee — 2 months ago

Ivanus Enkomi kitbash idea.

He's not yet on my roster of things to get, but I can't get a kitbashed Primaris Ivanus Enkomi off my mind. The original publication for him in Imperial Armory Volume 12 had an optional jump-pack. With 11th ed. updating the Jump Chaplain, I think it could be a good chance to kitbash him as one. IDEALLY this would be if the new kit has a power-fist option like the old jump chaps.

I think mixing and matching Lemartes, and an Execrator is my best bet. The Execrator charging into combat, toe down on a rock is very reminiscent of the posing of a lot of jump-pack units, just kissing the ground, so adding the Lemartes jump pack would complete that look. From what I can tell, both units have seperate shin-guard plates that get glued on, so hopefully would be interchangeable without too much effort. The goal is to take Lemartes shin-guards, and shave the riveted X shape down so just the lower-part is present, to make it resemble the Lambda Chevron of the minotaurs. The Lemartes chest is also closer to Ivanus's old chestplate, save having rivets, which I think is a minor enough change, and since I'm trying to add Verdigris arround rivets for my army, that'd just add some visual continuity. the Execrator helmet is close enough to the inner skull on Ivanus's helmet, and can easily have a spartan helmet sculpted around that face region. Swapping some pauldrons around, sculpting on a few other details and throwing on a power-fist (I have a few spares) and I think it could be a very convincing Primaris take on him.

After I get my main army sorted I think I'm planning on expanding into some Vanguard Veterans and would bring him in at that point.

Anyone else have experience kitbashing Ivanus you'd like to share?

u/bs_Zeezee — 2 months ago

Sanguinary Guard Paint-scheme question.

Hey guys, sorry for the TERRIBLE context to ask this question in. First, context: I am starting a Minotaurs army, and I've been planning on basing them standing over the bodies of a defeated Space Marine army. Really just stomping them into the mud disrespectfully: I am making a minotaur army to be heels, because they are heels. I had some left over blood angels bits, including sanguinary guard wings, so figure Lamenters would be a good army to go with for laying on the bases: Minotaurs vs. Lamenters is a classic match up. Clearly this wouldn't actually be from the Badab war since the forces I'm making are majority Primaris, but rather a non-canon second more recent conflict with the two chapters.

All that setup aside, do folks here on the Lamenters side of reddit have a favorite Sanguinary Guard paintscheme? I've tried checking and can't find a canon one in lore. I've seen people do Gold like the Blood Angels, Silver, or off-white. I feel like all of these options have some pros and cons, and being able to see the good and bad in all of them, I have been left too indecisive to just make a call and want to see what the Lamenter side of reddit thinks.

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u/bs_Zeezee — 3 months ago

Paint recommendation request.

Hey all. I'm planning on starting a Minotaur's army to get back into the hobby. For context, its been like 6 years since I was slapping together minis last. I have been planning the kitbashes, army roster, where I need to source which bits, with WAY to much detail, but one area I am still struggling is planning the paints. In general for their armor my goal is:

&gt;Base in a nice dark brown.
&gt;Drybrush on bronze
&gt;Apply Nihilakh Oxide to the recesses (I really love how in the 10th and 12th issue of Imperial Armory there is a bit of oxide on their armor)
&gt;Drybrush a hint of gold, or more bronze if there is too much oxide.

That said, there are like 3 games workshop bronzes (Sycorax, Warplock, Castellax), and it is really hard to identify the pros and cons of each, especially since the paint listings don't bother showing us test pieces painted with them (That would be TOO helpful)

Would you be so kind as to share your minis and what paints you used to achieve your bronzy finish? I am most interested in the metallic, but if you have found any particular base coats work REALLY well, or any other touches like a particular wash you'd recommend, I'm all ears.

Edit (I'm really shooting for that perfect bronze. Too yellow and it reads as brass or gold. too red and it reads as copper. I want that perfect middle metallic brown.)

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u/bs_Zeezee — 3 months ago