u/tiredperson24

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I mean think about it Moxxie recalls that Crim looked down on Chaz as a person and them Dating saying they lived a "" Sissy lifestyle "" but yet he still allowed Mox to continue being with him rather than forcing him to end things with him which seems like something someone as controlling as him would do if he actually found his son who he sees as a possession to be doing something that he looks down on as either Gross or embarrassing,

and I find it very unlikely that the Moxxie of back then would have put his foot down with his Dad and told him he's going to continue seeing Chaz anyway regardless of what he wants since even Mox of the present day agreed to a marriage he didn't want out of fear of his Dad and had to really pluck up the courage to stand up to him over it after a while and that's after Mox had had years of being free of his Dad,

so I wonder if its either the case that Chaz was someone important maybe linked to an important family who Crim felt he didn't want to Risk Disappointing/could benefit from being linked to his son but then in that case Chaz's present day financial ruin would seem a bit weird unless he was Disowned or something but even then he wouldn't have needed to make up a lie about coming into millions in order to marry into Crimson's family if this was the case ya know,

or option Two Crim just complained and looked down on it but couldn't be bothered to actually make Mox stop seeing him like maybe he just didn't wanna have to Deal with Mox crying about it and moping around afterwards or something

( Crimson logic I'm sure 😂😂).

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Since it occurred to me the other day that so far even if we can attach certain behaviours like the camp episode to it we haven't really seen any of him well actually trying to Idk come to terms with things and deal with his Trauma I don't think I think Mox mostly just seems to ignore and avoid it rather than address the root of his issues even when problems do come up at least that's the impression I get,

I know the baby plot means that likely Moxxie's past will come up again in some shape or form but the show could possibly still go the way it does by having Mox act badly in situations and realise his errors which is all well and good but not exactly the same thing as actually exploring the character Dealing with his issues

which I'd quite like to see since its been years since the episode where we first found out about his past and the only other time its actually been Directly addressed was in the whacked off short and also Mox is my favourite possum lol so I Hope we see more of him Dealing with how Crim raised him and it actually gets to be taken somewhat seriously like it was in Whacked off.

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The idea of Moxxie and Millie after Deciding to keep their baby attempting to have a big family get together of the in-laws and being really stressful and awkward is an idea I've had floating around in my head for a while that I love to think about 😂😂😂😂,

I'm Hoping to get around to writing a fanfic about it at some point given it isn't exactly the most likely thing to ever happen in canon given it only really fits the unlikely scenario of Mox trying to form some sort of truce with and have a civil relationship with his dad which has like a 2 percent chance of happening lol

but just imagine maybe they all either meet at Millie's family's place or at Crimson's mansion for a large family Dinner so everyone can get acquainted and also so M and M can tell their parents their plans for the baby,

and maybe they both have to annoyingly deal with their parents disapproval over them saying they're going to raise the baby their way and not take it back to wrath to be raised in their farm life and not raise it in the mafia to one day "" join the family "" like Crimson would no Doubt want,

and just imagine how awkward and tense it would be no doubt Crimson would look down on them for their farmer lifestyle and Millie's folks would probably look down on him as some posh inner city snob whose never worked an actual day's Graft in his life

( probably what they think or at least thought about Moxxie as well at first I imagine ),

I can just imagine Crimson making passive aggressive remarks about their lifestyle and ring while Moxxie awkwardly tries to keep him in check and Millie does the same with her folks,

and one idea I had that I thought could maybe be kinda sweet is if Crim and Joe and Lin did end up getting along pretty well after a bumpy start after they find some old timer common grounds like complaining about the younger generation

and the new ways they do things and about their lack of respect for the ways of their family that have been how they've done things for generations and maybe even making fun of Moxxie being weak becomes something the parents start to bond over 😭😭

as Crim tells them "" funny "" embarrassing stories of Moxxie that always center on somehow framing him as wimpy and oversensitive

( probably Hurting his feelings and making him feel awkward but he tries to ignore it since everyone is getting along and he doesn't want to ruin it ),

but anyway an idea I found kinda sweet is that maybe things are going great between the parents for a little while but then when they're all off drinking alone while M and M are doing something somewhere else Crim ends up casually mentioning how he hit his wife and Mox in some nonchalant comment and this quickly ruins the moment and makes Joe and Lin go very sour towards him

( in this scenario I like to think they are very against hurting your kids and them laughing with him about Moxxie being not strong in their eyes is one thing but finding out his dad was actually violent to him is another )

and they threaten Crim over this and him ever acting this way towards their Grandchild and maybe even stick up for Mox a little when Crim tries to insult him again to justify himself and the way he treated him as a kid and they just give him the judgmental looks and silent treatment for the rest of the visit,

Idk I just thought that was kinda a sweet idea and even tho its unlikely AF I do love this concept and Hope to get around to making a fic out of it one day as just imagine all the fun potential there is in Mox and Millie trying to make their parents play happy extended families with each other 😂😂.

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From what we know she likely will be on the back burner for next season building up and then become a major Threat in season Four so if I had my way then that season would end with her willingly giving up her Revenge after doing a bunch of other bad shit that preferably does have some serous consequences for all involved

like if she killed or seriously Hurt a major character or did something that caused a Huge amount of Death and Destruction in Hell or Heaven or Both lol and Lute by the end maybe has just given up on her own life and expects to be killed or banished but isn't,

and then in season Five we could explore her actually trying to work through her Grief even if it is awkward and goes against who she is and how she's always been by being more openly vulnerable and actually talk and accept Help

and also slowly having to unlearn the Biases she has against sinners it would be Good if we saw the perspectives of others like Redeemed sinners acting in fear or even Rage towards her knowing she was the Lute of the exorcists and seeing a very familiar Grief from them when confronting her that doesn't necessarily instantly make Lute feel bad and change or anything so Dramatic

but it does plant a sort of seed in her mind about them especially since she's now Technically like them and is on her second chance in life after betraying Heaven in a big way so more and more she's slowly starting to see herself as not being Quite so Different from them,

and on the whole perspective of her Victims thing if we do see in future more of Vaggi's Trauma from not only being maimed and left for Dead but also just how Lute Treated the exorcists During their time there would be Good especially since Vaggs is a major character and this could lead her and Lute coming face to face again at some point after Lute has been given her second chance and is learning

and exactly how it would go down is up to you but I think it could be a good chance to show them acknowledging certain things they do have in common and having a mutual moment talking about the change they've both had to/are going through

and it could be a good chance to show someone not outright forgiving a person who hurt them since that is up to them but at the same time that doesn't mean Vaggs is Holding on to bitterness either or trying to sabotage Lute on her journey she can simply not feel that she can forgive her and that's okay,

( also on that note if over the next Two seasons her actions do cause serous Harm or even Death to an important character then that could possibly be another chance to see the Harm she's caused from her Victims point of view like if for example she made Good on her promise to Blind Vaggi or if her actions caused the death of Emily or something and seeing Lute everyday effected some characters in Heaven even if they do want to give her a second chance but its a struggle ya know that kinda thing ),

plus I could see it being the case that after her actions over the next Two seasons she either loses her position in the army or she keeps the position but is just mostly put on work that isn't combat related now that the Threat of uprising is no longer a thing

and Lute could be shown instead helping out with the New sinners which again forcing her to interact with them could be interesting for her Growth and be a Good chance to actually Help out the people she Hurt,

Bonus if we also get to see her slowly trying to actually form meaningful Bonds with other people like Abel or Emily or Heck even Peter lol just point is it'd be interesting and even amusing to see her suck at actually to just be well not a Hardened cow to people 😂😂 and actually trying to let the walls down and not push others away,

and for someone whose Beliefs seem to be the total opposite of Charlie's it would be ironic to see her actually end up changing in such a significant way after giving up on herself but being given another chance despite betraying her realm,

to me I think she could potentially have the most interesting redemption story if Viv did go down that road which I'm obviously Hoping she does.

I've been Rewatching some episodes from season One and Two after not seeing the show in years and its been very Fun lol but I thought it would be an interesting Question to bring up as to which minor Villains who only appeared in one or Two episodes did you feel bad for and wish the show's writing had given them a bit more of a sympathetic portrayal than the show actually did?

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I'd go with Clock King and Tar pit as so far on my Rewatch these Two stand out to me I mean I actually remembered years ago when I first saw season one already having a bit of an issue with how Tockman gets Defeated by Joe Eddie and Iris emotionally manipulating him by bringing up the fact that he was Denied the chance to say Goodbye to his Dying sister in order to get him let Iris say Goodbye to injured Eddie

allowing her to take his ankle Gun and later shoot Tockman in the leg like I'm sorry but Regardless of their current situation that crap was Horrible imo especially given his only motive for turning to crime in the first place was just to save his sister so its not like he was some sadistic serial killer whose Freedom posed a Huge Risk to public safety,

Idk Despite actions killing those Two innocent cops I just wish the episode had actually showed him a bit more sympathy on this Front Rather than simply Treating him like a psycho and having the Good Guys resort to rather cruel tactics in order to win,

and secondly Tar Pit like what happened to this Guy was Horrific not only Drowned in Tar but also left Trapped underground for Two Years apparently awake and able to feel it but unable to escape so you can't Really blame him for wanting revenge even if we can't realistically expect Team Flash to just sit back and let him kill the people involved in what happened to him,

but still It seems Disappointing to me that the episode Gave my Guy this really Horrific easily sympathetic backstory and understandable motive and he just got treated like a petty criminal out to settle to a score with no real sympathy,

anyway what about you?

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I'm sorta Torn Between Two ideas like on the one hand I could see the show doing something Neat with having it be confirmed that he was pretty much Raised in a similar way to Mox in the Mob life and having shitty parents Tho maybe you could still make it clear that he was always a little emotionally Detached even as a child

and ended up killing his parents and taking over and literally feeling nothing about it which could show a certain Difference between him and Mox fundamentally but at the same time Mox learning about the long line of Shitty Dads he comes from could be the sort of Revelation that gets to him Deep down when Crim happens to mention his own upbringing not being too Dissimilar to the way he Raised Mox and Thus this weirdly Helps Mox resolve to be a better Dad and believe that he can be

plus it could also potentially Tie into the Fan Theory of him still maintaining some sorta Relationship with him and letting him be a Granddad to the kid if Mox maybe Resolved to try and break the chain of shitty Father son relationships including his own even if they will never exactly be close

( I also Love the idea that their Family has a long History of patricide and Crim was maybe actually Disappointed that Mox never continued the tradition 😭😭),

or on the opposite end of the spectrum I could see the show pulling off a Jack Horner and having Crim just be a person who sucks where even Mox himself may search for some sorta explanation as to why he's is the way that he is but Crim is just Crim lol he's just a special little guy 😂😂😂😂

which could be a sad little Revelation for Mox but still show Fundamentally Different he is by not wallowing on this or using it as an excuse to be shitty to people close to him like Blitz,

I Guess I'd just love to find out more about Crim Regardless of what backstory they Gave him he could be a Hardened criminal who came from nothing on the streets or an abused Groomed Mobster or even just a guy who came from average family and income but was poison from the start Idk I'll love him Regardless 😂😂,

what do you think?

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Mine would be Lute being made The Queen of Heaven by the end of the show and being worshipped by everyone like she Rightfully should be 😂😂😂😂,

Fr Tho imagine if she did somehow someway end up being put in charge because most of the elders Die and Lute does something that makes the others in Heaven elect her to be in charge Despite her not Really wanting to be but she takes the position anyway

so she has to go from Soldier who Follows orders to Leader who gives them and she's technically in a position where she could bring the full weight of Heaven crashing Down on Hell if she chose to but by this point she's changed and Grown enough that she no longer wants to and instead prioritises the people of Heaven above everything else

( yes I know I'm thinking way too seriously about This Joke idea I had but that's kinda what I do best lol All Hail Queen Lute ),

anyway what about you?

It seems like ever since season one people have been Trying to put more Blame on Lute and want to Hold her more accountable than Sera for the exterminations Despite the fact she's literally an Indoctrinated Bred soldier who reasonably never had the same sort of choice in this that Sera and Adam did

( tho that's not to say she's entirely blameless she still chose to be shitty to the exorcists and she still chose to mutilate Vaggie etc etc )

and people are acting like comparing her and Sera in season Two when it came to which of them accepted Redemption and the new ways and which didn't is a fair way to judge them both but like Lute literally lost the person she most cared about a literal Limb while following Heaven's orders and then on top of that has everything she's been led to believe be proven false and accepting the new ways would have meant having to just ignore a lifetime of being a soldier and having your instincts be to fight and simply try to move on from losing your soldiers and the man you loved,

meanwhile Sera had to accept that what she thought about sinners going to Heaven was wrong and well that's literally it lol its not like she had some Great Hurdle to overcome she acted like she didn't give a single shit about Adam or the soldiers that Died and in order to accept the new way of things all she had to do was literally nothing and yet that's enough for a lot of people to Heap her with praise and act like it make sense to Hold Lute to more account than her 😅😅,

Idk it just feels like people are ignoring a lot of context when it comes to judgments that have been made of characters since season Two tbh and now its a Hugely popular Theory for Lute to end up being banished and getting punished big time for failing to meet the expectations I talked about for her to turn things around

meanwhile the Fandom's expectations for Sera are practically so low they touch Bedrock lol when really she is the sole Blame here and should be Held to a Higher standard of accountability than Lute or any other exorcist.

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Obviously I don't wanna see Crim Crim Die in future 😭😭 but it is a possibility and a popular fan theory is Moxxie getting to kill him which I could very likely see being the way he gets killed off as well but I do Hope that if it does happen its actually more meaningful and maybe has consequences beyond simply being a brief bit of satisfaction for the audience ya know?

Like maybe if it did end up happening either by the end of next season or in season four sometime after the baby is born

( I'm assuming if the baby is born it would happen either at the end of next season or in season four )

then maybe the popular theory will come true and Crim will try to take the kid either to Raise as an Heir or just to kill it for fucked up revenge And in the end Mox ends up having to kill him probably just as he's about to kill someone he loves only if this Does happen Then I actually Hope it isn't portrayed as some sorta Badass or Triumphant moment like people seem to want it to be

instead I kinda like the angst idea of Mox being Horrified by what he just did and maybe Desperately trying to revive him while apologising Despite it being clear that he's already dead and Blitz and Millie trying to gently get him to stop and calm down,

and like I said some actual longer term consequences would be good like Moxxie not only flips through a roulette wheel of emotions afterwards having no idea what to feel

( like Guilt maybe Downplaying how bad Crim was as a Father and trying to make himself out to be more in the wrong and Anger over everything he did and making him kill him but at the same time being very upset and maybe he is plagued with Various what ifs? about his life and his relationship with him ),

and maybe it actually effects his ability to do his Job and he starts not being able to go through with killings instead constantly hearing his dad's voice in his head like maybe telling him he's become just like him now by killing a Family member or even seeing his mother Disappointed in him and its clear that killing his dad just broke something inside of him,

or maybe in the end it even causes him to actually quit I.M.P and he probably resolves to focus entirely on being a good dad at least for a while tho there is also the possibility that he can actually try to find employment in his other interests since we don't know if he's ever actually Tried given how he was Raised and how Quickly he met Blitz after being left by Chaz,

Idk that's just one idea but like I said my main point is I Hope if the show does kill off Crim Crim in Future then it will have actual weight and meaningful Aftermath rather than just happening for a Quick bit of satisfaction and nothing else

or worse a Gag and then not really mattering afterwards or Effecting Mox in any real way as that would be a shame and feel like the character was wasted tbh.

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If you had to pick between Mob Daddy in future either becoming better Tho I'm necessarily saying he'd become a My Little Pony or anything

( please someone make fanart of Crim as a my little pony it would be so adorable 😭😭)

but maybe he'd just stop being Quite so Terrible at least to Moxxie and Co at I.M.P or pick him becoming even worse in some way like Idk think of something really fucked up that would probably change the way a Good Chunk of the Fandom sees him by making them judge him as even even worse lol

then Be Honest would you want him to become better or become worse in future? 😂😂.