u/tiredperson24

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I think it could be interesting if the news of the kid and M and M Deciding they do want to have it means their current profession actually gets brought into question as I could imagine Mox maybe considering if they should give it up not only so they don't bring a child into the world just to risk leaving it if they die on a mission,

but also because he might worry about bringing them up around a world of professional violence and death and possibly taking their choice away from what they want for their own life the same as him and it would be interesting if he did legit at least start wondering if he could be happy doing something else

since as far as we know he literally bounced straight from his Father and Chaz to working with Blitzo and forming I.M.P meaning he's been in the line of work of killing his entire life and has likely never had instances where he's tried anything else that he is passionate about

( remember when he said he should have been a theatre critic lol ),

and given Millie's attitude towards the job which so far has been 100 percent unwavering unlike the other members at various points it would be believable that she may not have such worries and may not even see anything wrong with the idea of raising the kid around this and even raising them to follow in their footsteps

so maybe it could be an interesting conflict between them in regards to how they feel about raising their kid and their current lives in General.

I really want it to be the case that she develops from this stuck up and stressed out person who has been a Higher being for all her life to basically just becoming a regular joe who gets to somewhat experience the human experience and understands the sinners more,

If it was down to me I'd have her leave her Role in Heaven handing it over to others maybe with Heaven even changing the way leadership works to ensure one person never has the power to alone make such a harmful choice ever again or the burden and Sera effectively just becomes a normal person

( maybe if possible she even gives up her physical power )

and decides to be more hands on helping Charlie since Heaven doesn't need her now its improved its leadership style and maybe by the end of the show Hell has improved to the point there's multiple Hotels or she could just work at Charlie's,

but my ideal end would be her becoming more like a regular person with her learning more of the normal human experience and interacting with sinners on the regular basis and becoming content in not being some Higher being but instead just being a normal cog in the machine

who is doing good to atone for her past but on the small scale and that can still be meaningful and actually learns what its like to be human first-hand by living humbly and doing humble work and having regular interactions with people some who may know who she was and don't accept her since that's fair for someone who did what she did and some who don't know who or what she is/was and who just treat her as a regular person,

so By the end she would basically be the opposite of who she started out as in every way and I think that could be pretty neat plus it would be potentially fun to see her trying to adjust to a more normal way of life and the things most people do on a regular basis 😂😂

plus maybe Vagg's could be like her mentor on that front given she knows what its like and show her the ropes.

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The idea of Moxxie and Millie after Deciding to keep their baby attempting to have a big family get together of the in-laws and being really stressful and awkward is an idea I've had floating around in my head for a while that I love to think about 😂😂😂😂,

I'm Hoping to get around to writing a fanfic about it at some point given it isn't exactly the most likely thing to ever happen in canon given it only really fits the unlikely scenario of Mox trying to form some sort of truce with and have a civil relationship with his dad which has like a 2 percent chance of happening lol

but just imagine maybe they all either meet at Millie's family's place or at Crimson's mansion for a large family Dinner so everyone can get acquainted and also so M and M can tell their parents their plans for the baby,

and maybe they both have to annoyingly deal with their parents disapproval over them saying they're going to raise the baby their way and not take it back to wrath to be raised in their farm life and not raise it in the mafia to one day "" join the family "" like Crimson would no Doubt want,

and just imagine how awkward and tense it would be no doubt Crimson would look down on them for their farmer lifestyle and Millie's folks would probably look down on him as some posh inner city snob whose never worked an actual day's Graft in his life

( probably what they think or at least thought about Moxxie as well ),

I can just imagine Crimson making passive aggressive remarks about their lifestyle and ring while Moxxie awkwardly tries to keep him in check and Millie does the same with her folks,

and one idea I had that I thought could maybe be kinda sweet is if Crim and Joe and Lin did end up getting along pretty well after a bumpy start after they find some old timer common grounds like complaining about the younger generation

and the new ways they do things and about their lack of respect for the ways of their family that have been how they've done things for generations and maybe even making fun of Moxxie being weak becomes something the parents start to bond over 😭😭

as Crim tells them "" funny "" embarrassing stories of Moxxie that always center on somehow framing him as wimpy and oversensitive,

( probably Hurting his feelings and making him feel awkward but he tries to ignore it since everyone is getting along and he doesn't want to ruin it ),

but anyway an idea I found kinda sweet is that maybe things are going great between the parents for a little while but then when they're all off drinking alone while M and M are doing something somewhere else Crim ends up casually mentioning how he hit his wife and Mox in some nonchalant comment and this quickly ruins the moment and makes Joe and Lin go very sour towards him

( in this scenario I like to think they are very against hurting your kids and them laughing with him about Moxxie being not strong in their eyes is one thing but finding out his dad was actually cruel is another )

and they threaten Crim over this and him ever acting this way towards their Grandchild and maybe even stick up for Mox a little when Crim tries to insult him again to justify himself and the way he treated him as a kid and they just give him the judgmental looks and silent treatment for the rest of the visit,

Idk I just thought that was kinda a sweet idea and even tho its unlikely AF I do love this concept and Hope to get around to making a fic out of it one day as just imagine all the fun potential there is in Mox and Millie trying to make their parents play happy extended families with each other 😂😂.

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A couple of people have suggested the idea in the past for the kinda funny subversion it would be of the audiences expectations of Crim likely being a threat to the child in future in wanting it for himself so he can raise it and treat him or her like shit rather than simply being fine with being a Grandparent who has no say in how they are raised,

but leaving aside the funny subversion of it I do find it interesting to think about how Moxxie's feelings could be portrayed in such a scenario like imagine Crimson is about to interact with his grandchild for the first time and Moxxie is expecting the worst and on Guard only to be baffled by him doting on the kid

and actually being playful and kind and even sorta proud albeit in his old timer way and once the sheer shock has worn off Mox may have maybe some more sorta quiet somber and confused feelings struggling to understand how the same person who was so cruel to him could also be so seemingly caring to another child,

but maybe it isn't all totally negative on the feelings side like he could also feel some genuine happiness over seeing his dad for once not be Horrible and knowing there's some tiny amount of good buried deep down in him

but at the same time the thought still lingers in the back of his mind every now and then somber over the version of his father he's seen he's capable of being but simply wasn't so his emotions over this are very complicated and even kinda difficult for him to understand,

( see what I mean? its quite interesting to think about beyond just being a funny subversion of audience expectations this is the kinda juicy angst that really gets my brain flowing 😂😂).

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( I used the agenda tag since I guess this is technically Crimson agenda lol )

I used to be more conflicted on my feelings about him a while ago but for the past few months I've evolved and am firmly in the love camp lol and am even praying to Hellaverse God he isn't killed off in future,

I think the thing I find comforting is probably ironically the thing I found conflicting about him at first in that he sorta reminds me of a certain someone and made my little guy Moxxie feel even more relatable than he already was so its actually kinda not only enjoyable but weirdly comforting to see a character like this

who in some ways feels grounded and familiar but in most other ways is exaggerated as Hell in his voice and shittyness and bigotry and the fact he's kinda an idiot for stuff like falling Chaz's lies and moaning about how Millie shouldn't be able to beat his men while she's literally in the middle of tearing them apart

( and ya know being a tiny red demon in Hell obviously 😂😂 ),

soooooo yeah its just kinda funny to me how of all people a character like this is comforting to my brain lol.

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My little guy got some sweet sweet revenge for all the times he's made fun of him over the years lol,

let it never be said in the fandom again that Moxxie is weak.

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I used to be more conflicted on my feelings about him a while ago but for the past few months I've evolved and am firmly in the love camp lol and am even praying to Hellaverse God he isn't killed off in future,

I think the thing I find comforting is probably ironically the thing I found conflicting about him at first in that he sorta reminds me of a certain someone and made my little guy Moxxie feel even more relatable than he already was before Crim's first episode

( please don't worry mods I'm not going into specific details or personal content I am aware of rule seven I'm just talking about the character now I promise )

so its actually kinda not only enjoyable but weirdly comforting to see a character like this who in some ways feels grounded and familiar but in most other ways is exaggerated as Hell in his voice and shittyness and bigotry and the fact he's kinda an idiot for stuff like falling Chaz's lies and moaning about how Millie shouldn't be able to beat his men while she's literally in the middle of tearing them apart

( and ya know being a tiny red demon in Hell obviously 😂😂 ),

soooooo yeah its just kinda funny to me how of all people a character like this is comforting to my brain lol.

Since I kinda said mine in that post a week ago that my ideal fantasy ending for Crim Crim would be him no longer being an active antagonist to I.M.P and he just lingers around as an awkward old fashioned shitty relative M and M have to put up with occasionally 😂😂😂😂

maybe it'd be kinda neat if it happened after Mox somehow actually earned his respect a little like he saved his life or at the very least when he and the others ended up beating Crimson's people again Mox had the chance to kill his dad but chose not to because he's still different enough from him that he doesn't want to kill him despite everything

but instead lays down the law to him and this time Crim has to listen somewhat begrudgingly but at the same time he does actually respect Moxxie's bottle and Idk maybe they somewhat keep in touch and occasionally have to listen to him moan about them being too soft on their kid and complain about modern society being too woke and that kinda stuff 😂😂,

But yeah what sorta ending do you want for your fav antagonist? if you can have your ideal scenario? likelihood does not matter here.

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The flashback is somewhat vague given his mother's shoes washed up quite a bit away from where he was on the boat and obviously we don't really know Wether it was some big secret Crim Crim kept over the years or Wether he would have just openly told Mox about it to scare him or Wether Mox would have just figured it out on his own over the years,

but regardless my point is the show could believably go a few different ways with this in future and I kinda go back and fourth over which I think would be best aka which I think would produce the most juicy angst content that I live for 😭😭,

like one part of me thinks that it could be kinda heartbreaking if Moxxie actually didn't know like Crimson just maybe just fed him some lie about her dying some other way like due to rival criminals or an accident and despite how suspicious this would logically seem to anyone outside of the situation

for Mox himself he always believed it because despite knowing how shitty his Dad is he still never would be able to bring himself to believe he'd be capable of going that far which like I said could be genuinely heartbreaking in a certain way,

buuuuuuuuut on the other hand part of me does also like the potential of if Mox has always known exactly what happened to her since that also could have some sad potential like for starters I mentioned above that Crim could have probably used her death as a threat to Mox over the years so the idea of him living in fear of being disappeared like his mom if he stepped out of line is pretty sad,

but also I find the idea interesting of how it could potentially complicate Moxxie's feelings for his Dad even more like imagine if he legit felt guilty at times for still having some love for him despite everything because he feels like its sort of betraying his mother for him to feel that way

or if he ever felt ashamed of himself for not standing up to him over all those years and being obedient to him even knowing what he had done to someone he loved and he maybe judged himself as weak or somehow letting down his mother's memory for a long time because of it despite that logically not being a fair thing,

Like I said there's so much angst potential here that I go back and fourth over which direction I'd prefer the show go with when it comes to Mox's mum 😭😭.

As something that's left me very uninterested in the idea of her having a redemption arc ever since season one was the fact that I don't see there being all that much room for actual character growth and exploration and tbh season two did not really change my mind on that,

As at present what negative flaws does she have that she needs to grow out of? does she have unhealthy paranoia that causes her to make bad choices? well since the fandom can't seem to decide Wether or not the Hell uprising was actually a valid threat to Heaven

due to the way the show has presented sinners in regards Wether or not they can even access Heaven or exactly how Op Heaven is compared to them so I'm not sure if we can count this as a character flaw of hers and the show itself doesn't seem to act like this is the case either,

Does she hold negative beliefs towards others? well no not really since unlike Adam and Lute she already sees sinners as human and feels guilt for them and she doesn't believe that they can't go to Heaven because she views them as lost causes

or believes in eye for an eye mentality like Adam she just believes it in the purely external sense of it not being physically possible for them to go to Heaven I guess your most likely to argue that she makes bad choices due to letting fear overtake her and that's her one big character flaw

but she's literally proven she's over it after the season two finale so what else is there for her to grow from and change? you could argue she has an issue with turning a blind eye to hard work like she did with the exterminations

and thus allowing bad things to happen which she technically also did in the season two finale but the thing is the fandom won't acknowledge this as an issue since most people don't think she should be expected to do more and the show itself didn't act like this was a flaw in the season two finale either,

So it feels like Sera has one big negative action but not really enough actual negative flaws and qualities that could justify a redemption arc and make it interesting seeing her grow from and significantly change as a person,

I just wish we could have had some more actual negative qualities like if the character didn't already feel bad about her actions from the start similar to Adam and Lute but not quite the same since she didn't enjoy it either but she had the same generalised view towards sinners

and thus that could have been something we saw her slowly learn to change through her interactions with Pentious humanising sinners more in her mind and in future interacting with others as well and learning to feel more guilt over her actions rather than just starting out that way,

Or have her legit have an issue with cowardice and actually present it as a character flaw that she needs to grow out of like the show could present her as being too afraid to actually risk her own life to help others and the season two finale could have had a moment where Emily looks at her in such a way where she both appreciates that she didn't give the kill order

but at the same time shows a bit of a disapproving look to her over the fact she wasn't willing to help Hell even when it looked like her own sister could potentially die in the explosion and this could be a lingering thread for Sera's character in future

not to mention just make her dynamic with Emily actually have some layers rather than be as one note as it is where Emily cares about her and thinks she could do better but its clear there is some things about her she does judge her for and finds herself disappointed in her at times,

Like I said I've never been very interested in Sera's redemption arc as a concept because unlike with someone like Lute I don't think there's really much interesting change Sera could undergo

given the show didn't have her start out with enough bad qualities in the first place I guess it could be interesting if similar to Stolas she undergoes drastic change in her personal life over the next three seasons that ties into her redemption somehow but we'll have to see if Viv is willing to go that far and change the status quo of the character or not.

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Like even tho obviously it isn't my preferred outcome but if he did end up dying in future then at least it'd be cool if he was able to cause some big stuff to happen before that leaves an even bigger impact the characters,

Like one idea is that maybe he does end up attacking Millie's family out of spite maybe after finding out about the baby and being denied what he sees as the rightful heir of the family empire

and he ends up succeeding in causing actual damage like the farm is destroyed and at least one person dies like maybe Sallie or even both of Mill's parents

( btw before anyone says that we hardly know her family the point is less about impact on the audience and more about impact on Millie and we the audience care about Millie even if we can't feel the same type of loss she does over characters we barely knew )

like just imagine the angst of that not to mention the messy feelings in the aftermath over having lost them in a way because of her knowing Mox which obviously isn't a fair rod of blame but ya know its grief and maybe even Mox himself couldn't help but think that way a little bit,

So Crim gets to have big consequences and cross the line even further before the characters decide that yeah he has to die and maybe even during a final showdown when Crim is at their mercy Millie gets the kill and the show makes it a point of Mox being present but not stopping her so in a way its a shared choice of them both deciding he deffo has to die now,

Or even if he doesn't outright kill anyone important he could still cause some big life changing injury or something that has major consequences like what if he ends up doing something to someone in I.M.P that leaves them unable to do their job anymore

like what if he legit crippled Blitzo or Millie or Moxxie in some way making them unable to do field work anymore that'd be a big consequence for him to leave behind that could change the status quo,

Idk I just love angst I guess 😂😂😂😂 and if Crim does end up having to die in future then they could at least have him cause a bigger impact and get a big juicy villain moment in present day,

Do you have any ideas?

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Like some of the animal or insect themed characters are covered head to toe in fur so why are clothes necessary? I know us humans don't have fur at least that I know of lol so I guess the closest thing we could compare it to

is basically like wearing a hat on your head despite the fact most people's heads already have hair covering it however people often still feel the need to cover their heads with something but only in like extreme cold weather which I kinda doubt is the case in Hell or at least not the status quo anyhow lol,

And we know Hell has different dress standards than our own society given the countless different forms of sinners and a lot of types of Hell born I mean pilot Husk and that tv reporter guy who killed his wife were literally naked so I doubt there's some pressure to preserve their modesty or anything,

So in short what I'm saying is it seems like Viv and co have denied us fans something that should have rightfully been ours from the start

naked animal characters 😭😭😭😭 like come on give us naked Husk like he was in the pilot or give us naked Loona or naked Angel lol or hell naked everyone if you fancy just give us some naked characters Viv

Hell is no place for modesty.

I'm curious do you have any opinions either on the movies or shows or certain characters that have changed over time either for better or for worse?

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I'm not sure if I've missed something when it comes to Helluva's worldbuilding so feel free to educate me but so far even tho we know that Hellhounds are one of if not the lowest class of species in Hell and are seen even lower than Imps

but they are technically still given the basic rights of freedom right? as in they are not actually fully considered pets in the sense that they need to be owned by someone to be allowed out in the world?

So if that is the case then why would the pound put them down when they came of certain age instead of just Dumping them out into the world? and if the first option is true that Hounds are put down instead of released

then I'd find it kinda hard to believe that Loona wouldn't be aware of this which her Dialogue in "" spring broken "" would Heavily imply given she seems to be under the impression that she would have been fine without Blitzo,

So like I said have I missed something? I always assumed that given we have seen other Hellhounds just casually out and about that while they are a lower class they aren't exactly considered slaves or anything and are not given the basic rights of independents if no one takes them on.