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NO! Seven Havens should NOT restore the past lives!
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NO! Seven Havens should NOT restore the past lives!

A vocal part of the fanbase refuses to believe that the pre-Korra past lives are gone forever and wants Pavi to restore them.

Honestly, I have always thought this unlikely, for the following reasons:

"Evidence"

The "evidence" to the past lives being restored that fans cling to is that each Avatar dies with "unfinished business" and Korra's successor should thus address her "greatest failure".

I see this as wishful thinking.
If anything, it seems that Korra's "failure" that Pavi must fix is the Cataclysm.

Consequences

Even before The Legend of Korra got renewed for two more seasons, getting rid of the past lives served an underappreciated role in Korra's second Book.

Book 2 was all about "new beginnings" and Korra needing to "grow up".
At the start of the Book, having gotten everything she wanted without any lasting consequences in Book 1, she is more immature than ever, which leads her to make some pretty big mistakes whilst alienating her comrades.
The second half of Book 2 is all about Korra trying to fix these mistakes.

In this context, the loss of the past lives was because, to start over and mature, Korra needed to face a mistake that neither she nor anyone else could do anything about afterward!

Aang Issue

Now, the real-life reason the writers ditched the past lives was likely (partially) because this is supposed to be a story about the next generation.

In Korra's Book 1, the writers got around this "Aang Issue" by making her spiritually inept, allowing them to save him for the finale.
However, they did not know there was gonna be another book. So after they got a second, with the potential for more, they were probably like: "Okay, the past lives are becoming more of a burden than an asset; let's just get rid of them"!

Premise

Seven Havens actually seems to agree with getting rid of the past, with the new series essentially nuking the entire previous setting!
So, with a premise like that, it is unlikely that Seven Havens will bring back any past lives besides Korra, who is essential to the plot.

u/Demand_Tiny — 1 day ago

Why the shift towards younger protagonists?

Not hating, and I still think the show can absolutely be amazing regardless of the characters age, but it does seem like an odd decision.

So far the series has followed a pretty good pattern. We all fell in love with avatar when we were kids and related to the characters who were the same age as us. Then when we became teens we got the legend of the Korra, which also helped us relate to the characters and their struggles, and now most of us are adults and we got the avatar movie where all the characters are adults and it was freaking amazing.

It seemed for a while the franchises characters were aging with the audience who first fell in love with them. I know most all my friends in my age group now are eager for a more darker adult version of avatar (maybe kyoshi in her prime?), and instead they make the new protagonists very young girls and possibly are looking to appeal to a broader if more younger potential fan base.

Again, nothing wrong with that. I’m happy to judge the show on its own merits when it comes out but it is moderately disappointing. I think this franchise has series potential for more darker/adult storytelling and I know im not alone on that. Plus the post apocalyptic setting seems perfectly fit for that type of mature storytelling.

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u/Nicole_Auriel — 1 day ago

Do You Think We'll See a Combustionbender in Seven Havens?

Tbh for the first two books I don't think so but if they greenlit another seasons maybe....

u/Mundane-Signal4843 — 1 day ago

How bad is it?

How "post-apocalyptic" are we talking here? I'm not certain but it seems like there's still plenty of tech and modern conveniences (if we look at the Raava city)– also hoverboards. How bad do you think it really is for the other havens? What would you do with it?

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u/Magorian97 — 1 day ago

What do you think is most likely to be the case involving Korra and the end of the world?

  1. Korra really did destroy to the world. The trailers are showing us what actually happened and people need to stop defending Korra.
  2. Korra didn't destroy the world and someone is framing her and The Avatar.
  3. Korra did destroy the world but she will end up being justified, and humanity will actually deserve it.
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Good thing korra is not a mother. Imagine people would take their hatred out on her descendants as well.

u/Musalediju — 2 days ago

Computers in the Avatar World

Source: azy_arty on IG

The source is an artist who worked on the show.

Keep in mind this comes from an animatic made based on a meme audio. It’s in no way an actual clip or rough animatic from the show… at least, I don’t think it is.

In this animatic, the artist includes Jae sitting with someone else in the same uniform in front of a monitor. There’s a console with buttons. On the monitor is a map of the world of Avatar.

This may be a hint at how advanced the technology has gotten. If Korra’s time is set in the 1920s, and she dies roughly in her 50s, then this would somewhat match our world with the dawn of computing.

u/Constant-Tutor-4646 — 1 day ago

Seven Havens Narration Prediction

I've been thinking about the opening narrations for TLA and TLOK, and I've thought about what the Seven Havens narration might be:

Fire... Air... Water... Earth... These four elements can be manipulated by special humans known as benders. They forged their own governments and tribes, attacked each other, defended themselves, and so forth. The Avatar, who can master all four, would end such chaos, preserve balance, and ensure unity. The last Avatar ended everything and destroyed the world itself. All that remains now are this forbidding, dangerous, destructive landscape... and these last remaining pockets of survival and civilization... These... seven havens...

I'm open to hearing your ideas for the narration.

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u/T1mbuk1 — 23 hours ago

Raava’s Avatars

In roughly 9,990 BG Raava and Wan merged becoming the Avatar

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Sonam

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Xian

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Zalir (not pictured)

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Gun (not pictured)

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Salai (not pictured)

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Szeto (not pictured)

Yangchen

Kuruk

Kyoshi

Roku

Aang

Korra

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Pavi and Nisha

u/zaviiiiiii — 2 days ago
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How Sozin's Comet may have triggered the Cataclysm in a giant impact

TL;DR: Sozin's Comet was very close to the planet when it returned during Aang's time: close enough to aerobrake in the atmosphere. If the comet were getting closer and closer to the planet with each passing, it could impact during Korra's lifetime. She will be 47 when the comet returns in 200 AG, which lines up with her age in the ASH teaser. The comet impacting could cause the fires, tsunami, storms, and other phenomena we see in the teaser during the Cataclysm. It could also cause the veil between material and spiritual worlds to tear wide open (perhaps along the path of the three open spirit portals, acting like perforations in notebook paper), merging the two worlds together and causing both permanent physical and spiritual damage.

One of the theories behind what could have caused the Cataclysm seen in Avatar: Seven Havens is that Sozin's Comet may have impacted the planet. I know people have mentioned this possibility before, but this post seeks to explain in detail how the comet could impact the planet, when this would fit in the timeline, and whether or not such an impact could account for the spiritual and environmental disasters witnessed in the ASH teaser.

First, the mechanics of it. We see in ATLA that when the comet arrived in 100 AG it was so close to the planet that it entered the outer atmosphere and its shockwave pushed aside clouds. That is incredibly close for an astronomical body to come to a planet. By entering the atmosphere, the comet likely experienced atmospheric braking, slowing it down to a degree. This is also why the comet erupts in a fireball: friction with the atmosphere.

I posit that the comet may not have always followed the same pattern. Perhaps at some point thousands of years ago, the comet first made an approach close enough to the planet for people to notice. Then maybe due to gravitational perturbations or something, it got closer and closer to the planet each time (returning every ~100 years for only perhaps the last few centuries). Once it was close enough to create a fireball, it granted firebenders immense power on each return (and that power boost got stronger each passing perhaps for the last 500+ years or something ). However, this process would eventually bring the comet in so close that it would be on an impact trajectory.

For timing, the next return of Sozin's Comet will be in 200 AG when Korra is at the age of 47. There is credible context clues to indicate that Korra's age in the ASH teaser is her 40s (see here for details: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/s/IdTvexkIJr), which would place the comet's return right when the Cataclysm happens. It's possible that the comet comes and goes peacefully and then the Cataclysm happens when Korra is like 49 (or even the Cataclysm happens just before the comet's return), but I find that unlikely considering how well the timeline matches up. It's too coincidental.

So, the final question is whether the comet impacting would actually create the world we see in the ASH teaser? First, I think we need to distinguish between the immediate events of the Cataclysm and the state of the world in the following decades/centuries. Some of the things we see that happened during the Cataclysm are cities on fire, a massive tsunami, and giant storms. If Sozin's Comet hit the planet, it would create a large atmospheric fireball. The shockwave would travel far and do untold damage. The impact would cause earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, and if it landed in water it would cause a massive tsunami. It would also disrupt airflow and atmospheric temperatures, causing massive storms. So, I do think the comet impacting would cause exactly these kinds of catastrophic global phenomena. Not only that, but a large impact from space can definitely ruin a planet so severely that the after-effects could last centuries or millennia.

The main missing component is this: how would the comet impacting cause the spiritual damage / spiritual infusion we see with the later weather disasters? This is the final piece of the puzzle. In the Avatar world, all physical things have spiritual effects. Killing the Moon Spirit stopped people from waterbending, while the return of Sozin's Comet boosted firebending. We also know that the solstices for example represent the material and spiritual worlds being at their closest to one another. When Vaatu entered the material plane, he "pierced the veil" separating the two worlds. Raava chasing after him resulted in the two spirit portals at the poles. They are literally holes in the veil separating the two worlds that allow the direct traversal of inhabitants of either world to the other.

My idea is this: Korra created a new spirit portal in Republic City. The veil was pierced once more, leaving three across the world. Not only that, but all three portals are open now. What if the comet impacting was such a violent physical and spiritual event that it literally ripped a massive tear in the veil separating the two worlds, with the three open spirit portals acting as the weak points in the veil that the tear ripped through (like perforations in notebook paper). This could be the mechanism that causes the physical and spiritual worlds to merge together. Not only would this infuse all of those natural disasters with spiritual energy, but it would permanently affect the world afterwards.

So that's the theory. There could still be other things going on that led to the Cataclysm in some way, such as humanity's abuse of spirit energy or Vaatu's influence, but I still think Sozin's Comet impacting is an incredibly compelling option that fits with everything we've seen so far in terms of possibility, timeline, and effects. I also think it would be incredibly awesome. What do you think?

u/OwnRepresentative916 — 2 days ago
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I think we all need a reminder about this Bryke statement on their writing philosophy

The same sentiment applies to Avatar: Seven Havens and other future projects.

u/OwnRepresentative916 — 3 days ago

Pavi as a historical figure and her legacy as an Avatar

So if Pavi actually manages to fix the troubles of her time, aka bring peace and balance to the world and spirits and somehow manage to rebuild the world and end the era of apocalypse, by the end of her time she'll probably be remembered as one of the most competent and sucsessful avatars to date. Her legacy will rival the likes of Yangchen and Salai as the biggest peace makers the world has ever seen and her era will bring a new wave of optimism about the avatar we've probably never witnessed before. Especially since she started her avatar journey so young, people will see this as her truly giving up her whole life to fufill her avatar duties and serve the world.

I'm only bringing this up because Pavi's legacy will inevitably set a standard that will follow every avatar coming after her lifetime, ESPECIALLY the one right after her. I wouldn't be surprised that if we ever get a fire avatar show that one of the biggest points of tension will be the new avatar's struggle to follow in Pavi's footsteps. Maybe they'll try their hardest and fail, maybe they'll see it as an impossible task and give up, maybe they'll see it as an opportunity to do their own thing free of judgement.

Either way i feel like we're kind of underestimating what this little girls role means for the whole world.

The Dark Avatar caused the Cataclysm

If another dark avatar was reincarnated after Unalaq it could explain why everyone blames "The Avatar" for the cataclysm. While we didn't see it in S2 of Korra, as Unalaq only knew how to water bend, theoretically nothing should prevent the dark avatar from learning and wielding all 4 elements if Ravaa and Vaatu are truly two sides of the same coin. To the average Joe, anybody bending all 4 elements is obviously the avatar. This confusion is probably how the hatred of the avatar started. Everyone conflated the dark avatar, who brought about the cataclysm, with the real one.

What we saw Vaatu do in S2 of Korra seems (to me) identical to how Ravaa and Wan started the avatar cycle. Vaatu was also never sealed away again in the spirit world. On top of that, with Pavi and Nisha being twins (and their cats being color inverts of one another lol) the picture becomes pretty clear.

To conjecture even more, if Korra was out of the picture on some Toph timing and was just chilling in the wild for 100 years (lord knows she needs a break), people would assume she's dead and thus never realize that there are 2 avatars at the same time. Similarly, if Korra's unplugged from society, she would never realize that there's a dark avatar until they start destroying the world.

I think this wraps up everything pretty neatly

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u/buttsexbaker — 2 days ago

Dying while in the Avatar State does not end the cycle (theory)

Ever wondered where this idea might have stemmed from? The only way to find out for sure would be for a previous Avatar to have actually died while in the state. If not, then the idea should be considered speculative.

What I think might be the case, though, is that if an Avatar dies while in the AS, it might just delay the next reincarnation for a long time as Raava's spirit heals/regenerates. This could have happened at some point in the past with a previous Avatar, and the information just becoming misconstrued over time. Even if that's the case, though, that’s not to say the damage wouldn’t be catastrophic, as a lot can happen over centuries without an Avatar, just look at the Hundred Year War as an example.

And this might be what happened in Seven Havens. The narrator, likely Jae, talks as if it’s been centuries since Korra’s time and the beginning of the cataclysm. So maybe Korra actually died while in the state.

Could be wrong! Maybe the origins of this idea will be explained someday. Would love to hear your thoughts.

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u/MengShuZ — 3 days ago

Earthbending Spirituality

I was thinking about new bending lore that we could see in 7 havens and wondered if anyone has any thoughts on the spiritual side of earthbending that could be revealed with an earthbending avatar?

I personally thought it would be nice to return to the spiritual/philosophical roots from the original series and maybe draw on alchemy (hermetic/Arabic/Chinese) and taoism and the existing chi abilities to develop a body and substance focused spiritual discipline for earth benders. I imagine it would build on kyoshi's immortality techniques to be a "self perfection" or "body as then vessel for spiritual power" type of system.

Maybe this could even extend to a new bending subset that is centered around self enhancement or transmutation/purification

Thoughts anyone?

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u/TheSpongeFather — 2 days ago