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Marvel released their must watch list for Doomsday, here’s mine:

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The Infinity Saga

Iron Man

Incredible Hulk

Iron Man 2

Thor

Captain America: The First Avenger

The Avengers

Captain Marvel

Captain America: Winter Soldier

Avengers: Age of Ultron

Ant-Man

Captain America: Civil War

Black Widow

Spider-Man: Homecoming

Black Panther

Doctor Strange

Thor: Ragnarok

Avengers: Infinity War

Ant-Man and the Wasp

Avengers: Endgame

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The Multiverse Saga

Eternals

Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Thor: Love and Thunder

Captain America: Brave New World

Loki S1+2

Spider-Man: Far From Home

Spider-Man: No Way Home

Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Loki S2 (end credit scene)

The Marvels

Deadpool and Wolverine

Fantastic Four: First Steps

Thunderbolts*

Spider-Man: Brand New Day

I feel like a lot of traumatised folks could relate to this. Going through adulthood with a traumatic childhood is hard as fuck. It feels like no one sees us, our pain, our struggle, our story of survival. But ultimately I feel like that’s because we weren’t seen as children, no one helped us, the light at the end of the tunnel was dimming, and then suddenly we’re thrown into the sun. Dazed, confused, complacent… Thoughts?

Set 5000 years ago, the next Avatar is born to a water tribe on the verge of collapse. The air benders have disappeared, the earth kingdom grows stronger. The Avatar would have no connection to Avatar Sonam and no idea what happened to the lion turtles, and the next element he has to learn, happens to be the enemy. I could see his friend/lover being an earth bender that lives among the fire benders, and through this originated lava bending. Probably never gonna happen but would be awesome.

Marking spoiler just in case. These are my own thoughts and theories, but you have been warned! Mostly making this post so in a week or a year, I can be like "HA! I knew it!" And feel really superior and cool.

I got most of my information about Seven Havens from here:

https://comicbook.com/anime/news/avatar-seven-havens-animation-new-look-explaiend/

https://comicbook.com/anime/news/avatar-seven-havens-teases-new-look-at-sequel-coming-later-this-month/

This YouTube video was amazing and can't recommend enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDi-AuFygr4&t=1628s

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So I’ve been playing a lot of the CK2 Four Nations mod (there’s a team making a CK3 version shoutout to them), and it’s really helped me understand the world and the problem with the Avatar itself. I was playing a game where I was an incompetent bender in the south during Korras era. I was roleplaying that my girl just schemed her way onto the title, the game starts. I was sucking up to Korras dad, my liege, and boy did it work out for me. He ended up created a high lordship title of the area I was in, and gave it to me. If you don’t play the game, basically means I have vassals and get a lot of tax money. When my eldest child was 12, Korras dad offered for the Avatar herself to train them. Are you kidding, what an honour. The problem started when Korras dad died, Korra inherited the throne and then abdicated herself giving it to her bastard son. For some reason, this guy fucking hated me. He would constantly start wars just because he didn’t like me, hold me in jail for years and then ransom me. And I couldn’t do anything because he had Korra. Even when I had a lot more men than him, I would get destroyed. I didn’t realise this at the time but there’s a mechanic in the mod where if the Avatar is losing, they enter ‘the Avatar State’ and start whooping you. They took all my land from me, that was game over. I was pissed. Moral of the story? FUCK KORRA! Just kidding, having a lot of responsibility and consistently fucking shit up is the story of my life and I can’t put my love for Legend of Korra into words. (My next campaign I played Kuvira and killed Korra, but I LOVE Korra, I swear.)

from Pavi's character creator

Anyway, this sent me down this philosophical journey wondering where I went wrong. Maybe Sozin was right in waiting for Roku to die, if I had waited, I would have won. But I ended up realising the biggest problem with the Avatar. She’s too powerful. How is that balance if there’s one character that just can’t lose. Then I realised why Seven Havens is happening, to introduce a second Avatar to truly bring balance to the world. People in the show are always talking about balance, balance this and balance that. When has balance existed? Never. Since the beginning of time Raava and Vaatu have fought, the cosmic entities enveloping order and chaos constantly battling each other to determine the fate of the world for the next 10,000 years. How is that balance? Either order and chaos emerges victorious, but one cannot exist without the other. Before I get into my Seven Haven theories, I think we need to talk about the overall world and history of the Avatarverse. Especially important in this world, as the series is very self referential. From The White lotus bringing back all the older men that helped shape Aangs team, to characters in Legend of Korra literally having the same name as previous characters. 

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Avatar Wan

Obviously we don’t know how long the world has existed, but for this post we’re just going with 100,000 years. Raava won the first fight, 10,000 years of order. Vaatu won the next 7 fights, ensuring 70,000 years of chaos. Raava won the last fight before Wans era, allowing humanity to evolve for 10,000 years. But how much did they evolve? We see in Wans era that there’s only four distinct nations with their own culture, history and personality, living on top of the lion turtles. Humanity has been unable to evolve and expand because of the spirits, which is why humans are only granted bending when they are going to face the spirits. This is important. 

We see in Wans era that there is no order. Poverty, disease and fighting still exist. What exactly did Raava achieve? Wan being the wise man he was, interrupts the fight between Raava and Vaatu, which forces Raava to help Wan become the Avatar. Not because it was right, but because it was necessary for her to win. It’s going to sound like I hate Wan, I don’t, because of the life he lived he makes the decisions he makes. He grew up poor and oppressed by society, he thought he was stopping a bully, I get that. Moving on, Avatar Wan locks Vaatu away ensuring 10,000 years of order. Wan also saw it necessary to lock spirits away in the spirit world. But for some reason allowed humanity to be granted bending even though there were no spirits to actually inhibit their evolution. Why? 

Not only do you exist which has never happened before. An almighty powerful essentially immortal being that invites challenge. People either love or hate the Avatar, you can’t be both or neither. You either love them because they're powerful or hate them because they're powerful. Not only do you lock away the only thing halting humanities progress, you give them the tool they need to challenge you. Of course humanity will eventually evolve to the point where the Avatar is no longer the hunter, but the prey.

Avatar Korra

I will be getting back to the other Avatars but for now, let’s talk about Korra. Unlike her predecessors, Korra inherits the problems of every single Avatar that came before her, all the way back to Avatar Wan. We see in LOK S1 that Aang is trying to warn Korra about Amons connection to Yakone and blood bending. Where was Raava and Wan during LOK S2? Korras era just so happen to coincide with the 10,000 year event that determines the fate of the world. A little warning would have been nice is all I’m saying. 

We know Avatar Korra did something that turns humanity and the spirits against the Avatar. For a long time I just assumed it was going to build off LOK S4 and a spirit vine weapon blew up the world. But then I realised, what existed in Korras era that has not existed in the last 10,000 years? Spirits. Avatar Wan locked up every single spirit for 10,000 years meaning the spirits had 10,000 years of anger building up. Then in LOK S2, Korra allows spirits to roam the world freely. My theory is a spirit ended up getting a little upset and killed Korra. Then the world reverts back to the set up in Wans era, each haven for themselves, not daring to travel the world in danger of running into an angry spirit. The world blames Korra, but it’s not her fault, it’s Wans fault. If he had allowed humanity to evolve with the spirits, (with the protection and guidance of the Avatar) instead of evolving separately. None of this would have happened. We see in Wans era, spirits aren’t evil, we see in ATLA S1 and the panda bear spirit thing, spirits aren’t evil. But locking them up for 10,000 years might piss them off. 

Avatar Szeto, Yangchen, Kuruk, Kyoshi and Roku

A common theme throughout the series is that the Avatars deal with the actions (or in Aangs case, lack of action) of their predecessor. Avatar Szeto grew up in a broken nation, surrounded by war and poverty, Szeto spent his life ‘fixing’ the Fire Nation and ignoring the other nations. Avatar Yangchen spent her life rebuilding relations between nations and neglecting the spirits. Avatar Kuruk spent his life rebuilding relations with the spirits and neglecting humanity. I would also like to point out Kuruk discovered he was the Avatar early on, and died an early death. Whether there’s a link there or not, time will tell. Before Kuruks death, he enlisted his friends to find the next Avatar and make sure they did a better job than he did. I think this will be a huge part of the plot in Seven Havens. Why? The consequence of Kuruks friends ‘finding the Avatar’ early, was that they were wrong. They trained the wrong person and he ended up becoming Avatar Kyoshi’s first villain. Kyoshi probably lead the best life? Leaving the least amount of a mess for the next Avatar to deal with. Avatar Roku spent most of his life desperate to keep the peace Kyoshi ensured, that he completely ignored his best friend gearing up to wipe out an entire nation. 

Seven Havens: Book 1

Themes: childhood trauma, the domino effect and trying to fix a problem that does not yet exist, is in itself a problem.

Villain: The White Lotus. Not the Red Lotus from LOK S3 but the organisation itself and the movement Kuruk started, about finding the next Avatar and training them.

Now that we have established the history and key points, let’s move onto Seven Havens. I’m guessing Nisha will be a powerful bender, being discovered early on by The White Lotus and trained up to become the Avatar, mastering all four elements earlier than any Avatar before her. But she will be unable to use the Avatar State or speak to Korra. Juxtaposing Pavi who is running around fighting spirits unable to bend a grain of sand. Pavi will roam the world, learning the needs of each individual haven. (( Off topic but everyone is always giving Zuko shit for being the worst bender on Aangs team. And what? I’d go as far as saying he’s the most important person in ATLA. If it wasn’t for Zuko getting banished, and not having the Fire Nation Imperialism Culture engrained in him every day, he would never have taught Aang fire bending and helped save the world.  Put some respect on The Fire Lords name.)) This is the problem with Avatar Korra, and why Avatar Aang was so respected. Avatar Korra was locked up in the Southern Water Tribe being trained to fight, when she needed to be travelling the world learning to become a diplomat and the bridge between benders, non benders and spirits.

Eventually it will be revealed that Pavi is also the Avatar. Which will lead The White Lotus to finding Pavi, uniting the twins and start training her to become the Avatar. Nisha will start getting upset that Pavi is now getting all the attention. Her whole life she was told she’s THE Avatar, destined to save the world and repair the relationship between humans and spirits. Now she has to share the title with her twin sister, someone she already shares a birthday with. This will lead to a confrontation between Nisha and The White Lotus. Pavi will have to step in to save everyone. Both sisters will enter the Avatar State revealing Pavi is the Avatar of Raava, and Nisha is the Avatar of Vaatu. I think they will really try to steer away from LOK S2 and not have Nisha be all MUST DESTROY, EVIL EVIL EVIL, GRRRRRR. They will instead make her a sympathetic villain.

How do you make a sympathetic villain? Every decision has to be made for her, she has to feel like the only choice is the wrong choice. She won’t choose darkness, darkness will follow her and cause her to hurt more and more people. Especially with Vaatu in her head, drilling into her to cause chaos. I think Nisha will try to save people, she just won’t be good at it.

Seven Havens: Book 2

Themes: love and destiny

Villain: Big Bad Spooky Spirit (probably the one that killed Korra)

Now that both twins destinies have been established, I think there will be a time jump between books. Pavi will have mastered all the elements and gotten to know Korra. I think the biggest thing holding Pavi back from bending before, was that the last thing they remembered before being born, was bending and dying anyway. I suspect Pavi will be a gifted air bender, as she will probably need a lot of balance. I see Nisha using a lot of fire, similar to Korra. I think both twins will have completely different bending styles. I see Pavi using water as an extension of her limbs, whereas Nisha will use a lot of ice as projectiles.

Nisha will have an identity crisis similar to Zuko, struggling with the fact that she wants to save the world, but she’s destined to destroy it. Vaatu and potentially Unalaq in her head filling her with 101 ideas on how to cause chaos. Pavi will struggle with the fact she has to 1) fight the big bad spooky spirit that killed her predecessor and 2) LITERALLY destined to fight her twin sister. Both books will probably have the big bad spooky spirit be the overarching villain, but I do think there will be a villain by the episode style. Book 1 will heavily focus on Pavi surviving 'the wilderness,' whereas book 2, Nisha will be the one trying to survive. Pavi and Nisha will probably have multiple battles throughout book 2 solidifying their rivalry. Fighting each other with all the elements and Avatar States, it’s gonna be epic. (I have this weird theory that Pavi is gonna use her peg leg as a boomerang.)

TRIGGER WARNING for next paragraph // blood, gore, cannibalism, fucking weird shit, idk

So in a link I linked earlier, the creators talked about being inspired by a movie called Moebius (2013). Okay, it’s moebing time, I’ll look it up. I DO NOT recommend you look it up, it is not kid friendly and it is fucking weird. In short, a mother discovers her husband was cheating. She retaliates by trying to cut off his penis. She fails. So in retaliation to failing, she chops off her son’s penis and eats it (I didn’t actually watch it and don’t plan on it, this info could be wrong, please DO NOT correct me, I do not wish to know the full story, thank you). What the fuck does this have to do with Avatar. The theme of the movie is the mobius strip, an idea that is based on the shape. A shape that has no beginning, middle or end and only one side. In pop culture this often refers to characters being stuck in a loop where cause and effect do not matter. It doesn’t matter how Pavi and Nisha got here, but it matters where they go from here.

I think the series will end with Pavi finally mustering up the courage to fight the big bad spooky spirit, you know how Aang merged with the moon spirit and transformed into that big spirit monster at the end of ATLA S1, I’m thinking that kind of big bad spooky. Pavi goes into the Avatar State, she’s ready, she goes in for her first attack … and is slapped around silly. I mean, Pavi will probably get her ass whooped. I think she will be losing SIGNIFICANTLY. All hope is lost, Pavi has lost. Maybe her next life will do better… Then Nisha shows up. Nisha chooses Pavi, her twin sister, the fate of the world, over her destiny. Beautiful enough to make a grown man cry.

I apologise if this got less legible as it went on, I was just trying to get all my thoughts down.

From the beginning Seven Havens felt like a somewhat desperate attempt to go back to their roots; child Avatar, war torn world, adventure theme, centuries since the last Avatar. What if they go a step further and wipe out the earth benders to really replicate The Last Air Bender.

Everyone is always asking “what would happen if there was no X bender for the Avatar to be born into?” Why not answer it.

I always assumed this “apocalyptic event” happened in Republic City, which is in the Earth Kingdom. Definitely plausible the middle of the map just got destroyed leaving the other nations.

Again, probably a crack pot theory but wouldn’t put it past them at this point

I don’t know much about the Wolverine game but I’ve heard the premise is the X-Men never existed. What if MCU is doing a similar thing

Maybe mutants like Wolverine, Magneto, Charles never existed or never mutated. But what if Jean Grey was born into the MCU. She would never have Charles to guide her, instead she’s teaming up with fucking Frank Castle and messing with Spider-Man.

I think it’s a cool premise, especially in the MCU reading minds, laser eyes, storms/weird lights in Egypt wouldn’t really phase anyone. So mutants could go unnoticed and not necessarily hated

Thoughts?

SPOILERS!!!!!!

I only just reached the scene but so far she has hinted at the spies and paranoia in her book!!