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Image 1 — 100lb Parrott shell fragment fired by the USS Galena at Malvern Hill
Image 2 — 100lb Parrott shell fragment fired by the USS Galena at Malvern Hill
Image 3 — 100lb Parrott shell fragment fired by the USS Galena at Malvern Hill
Image 4 — 100lb Parrott shell fragment fired by the USS Galena at Malvern Hill
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100lb Parrott shell fragment fired by the USS Galena at Malvern Hill

Fresh out the mail. This 15 pound hunk of shell was fired at Holmes division at Malvern hill. Holmes division came under fire from the Galena and Aroostook, but only the Galena had Parrott rifles aboard

Question about Team of Rivals and Battle Cry for Freedom

A European reader here, interested in reading more about the topic. Thinking of ordering Team of Rivals and Battle Cry for Freedom.

Do these books presuppose prior knowledge of the subject? I know the basics, of course.

Context: I read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, and while I enjoyed it, I was disappointed that it often presupposed you already knew the locations and historical figures.

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u/PorterBridges007 — 1 day ago

Reading Recs for Memoirs/Letters/Diaries

Hiiiii. I’m looking for recommendations on soldier memoirs/diaries/published letters where the writer mentions or dwells on his finances, family finances, future finances, and/or future job prospects, etc. I’ve read my share of memoirs, regimental histories, diaries but i’ve only seen James Horrocks dwell on the subject in his published letters (his letters are published as a book titled My Dear Parents). Another example is John Gibbon who does mention in his memoirs a brief job search through someone towards the end of the war.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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u/hi_huhu — 1 day ago

Petersburg Rives Salient/Fort Mahone questions

I've become fascinated with the IV Corps attack on Apr. 2, 1865. No doubt it was one of the most overlooked actions of the entire war since Warren's men secured the decisive breakthrough and pretty much the entire area was lost to development (probably the most tragic loss of a battlefield). Anyway, does anyone know what battery the Norfolk Blues artillery manned at Rives Salient in 1864?

Secondly, the 48th PA attacked and there seems to be quite a bit of conflicting information. The Col. George Gowen monument (spot where Gowen was felled by an artillery shell) is located much east to where you would expect it to be located. It is documented that a cannon from Fort Mahone fired the shell. The maps published on Emerging Civil War have the 48th sweeping in a much more westerly fashion nowhere near the monument. I know Fort Mahone and Rives Salient were often confused in the post war photography? So how much documentation do we have the 48th actually attacked Fort Mahone or did they actually charge Rives Salient? Maybe the monument was placed in the wrong spot as well or was moved when the area was developed? There's just no way the 48th attacked Fort Mahone from that direction exposing their flank to the batteries or flank fire from Rives Salient. I guess this is the epitome of how it's difficult to interpret the battle if we lose the ground. Thanks for any responses.

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u/geoshoegaze20 — 1 day ago

The Second Rhode Island Volunteers Monument at Gettysburg

Monument dedicated to the 2nd Rhode Island Volunteers located on Sedgwick Avenue, their position on July 4.

The regiment, commanded by Colonel Horatio Rogers, Jr., was in reserve for the entire battle, being moved continuously, but never engaging in action. They were always close to the fight and had casualties.

The Casualties:
1 Dead
5 Wounded
1 Missing

An excerpt from the book: The Second Rhode Island Regiment: A Narrative of Military Operations, by Augustus Woodbury, published in 1875.

July 3

"The day," says Colonel Rogers, in a letter published at the time, "was a busy one for us, for at dawn we were up and moving, and wherever the fighting was thickest there the second brigade was sure to be sent, to reinforce the line when hard pressed. But, though we had to traverse the bloody, fatal field through shot and shell, time and again, first to the centre, then back again, then retrace our steps, then to the right, and so on, we were not called on to fire a shot. In Lee's grand attack it rained shells, and the field fairly justified the cheap prints of battlefields, where bursting shell fill the air, men are running to and fro, dead and wounded men literally piled up, riderless horses dashing off in every direction, and wounded animals are tearing along at full speed. It was fearful...

u/Aromatic_Bowler2500 — 1 day ago

What is everything in the box worth?

I deal in pre-1899 antique firearms for a living and I deal with a lot of US Civil War items but I really don't do buttons or any other relics like this

The box was offered to me for $100, what is it worth and should I go for it?

u/Feeling_Title_9287 — 2 days ago
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Hot take :Second Bull Run Is Lee's most impressive battle/campaign

Sure theres something fundamentally nice about a flanking maneuver in a forest that speaks to everyone .

ut in second bull run Lee had to distance himself from one army spilt up his army [yes i know he did this muiltple times ] send part of beyond his reach [IIRC beyond communiction/supply] and then rush to join it at just the right time to crush the second army without getting pinned by the other [ both union armies outmatching his ] .

His staff work and greater strategy usually not that good [or so people say] were at best in this campaign.

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u/BATIRONSHARK — 2 days ago

Oliver Otis Howard

Can someone please attempt to explain why Howard has seemed to gain a better reputation in the last decade or so?

While he’s certainly not Dan Sickles, his service in the AOP was rough at best, with him being a major cause of the defeat at Chancellorsville, and his hands-off command style allowing thousands of Union troops to be caught or killed running through Gettysburg.

His experience as Sherman’s subordinate is a better showing, but overall I can’t understand why people seem to treat him like Hancock or Reynolds. Is this a recent phenomenon, or am I genuinely underrating him?

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u/kirkF35 — 2 days ago
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My Great Grandfather fought in the Civil War.

Any suggestions on how I might find information on my great grandfather who fought during the Civil War? On the Pennsylvania Monument his name appears twice. Obviously I need to figure out if either one is him. He lived 30miles away in Newburgh PA. Thank you for any information.

u/Yoyomama247 — 3 days ago
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The U.S. Army sent 20 Buffalo Soldiers 1,900 miles by bicycle in 1897 to test whether bikes could replace horses

The men belonged to the 25th Infantry Bicycle Corps, an experimental unit of Black enlisted soldiers based at Fort Missoula. Each bicycle carried camping equipment, food, a rifle, ammunition and repair gear. The corps rode from Montana to St. Louis through mud, sand, rocks and mountain weather to test the bicycle as a military transport. The experiment ended as the Army shifted its attention to the Spanish-American War and, later, motor vehicles.

u/hamzapsy13 — 4 days ago

I cracked a cipher written by a Confederate propaganda agent stationed in Paris (De Leon to Benjamin, 1863), his brother held the corresponding key, more details in the post body

ICYMI, the last one I cracked: Barney to Mallory, 1863

TL;DR:

The Confederate government's propaganda agent in Europe had a $25,000 secret service fund for buying favorable coverage in the European press. In the autumn of 1863 his mail was captured at sea and printed in the Northern papers. His next two despatches to Richmond contain passages in a symbol cipher, and he says on the page that the key belongs to his brother.

No key to this particular system survives in any document I have found. I reconstructed the alphabet from the cipher text itself. A translation his brother made in 1864 turned up afterwards, and it confirms the first passage outright.

What he thought was worth hiding:

>My letter intercepted. Good advertisement. Bought L'Opinion Nationale, and other enemies since.

He is telling his own government that having his correspondence splashed across the Northern press did him a favor, and that he has been buying up Paris newspapers that used to attack him. The following month he asks for more money.

He did not know that his recall had already been signed in Richmond and was crossing the Atlantic while he wrote.

How I got here

After the Barney letter I went through the rest of the Confederate cipher traffic in the same published record, and got stuck on a small anomaly. One despatch has a group the Official Records editors marked as untranslated, and two separate published sources give different readings for it. If two editors are working from the same group, that disagreement wants explaining, so the printed text was not the end of the story and the manuscripts were worth looking at.

That took me to the Pickett Papers at the Library of Congress, the captured Confederate State Department archive, on microfilm. The group turned out to be a scribe's problem rather than a cipher problem. A clear copy of the same despatch survives a few reels away with the word simply written out, and the printed reading is wrong.

While working through those reels I was skimming a contact sheet of another one for something unrelated, and two frames went past covered in geometric symbols instead of handwriting.

Historical setting

Edwin De Leon was sent to Europe in 1862 to manage Confederate propaganda, with a $25,000 secret service fund for placing material in the European press. He wrote numbered despatches to Judah P. Benjamin, Secretary of State. Nos. 1 through 12 are in plain text.

In the autumn of 1863 his mail was taken. The bag went overboard from the blockade runner R. E. Lee as she was captured off Wilmington, and washed ashore. Seward forwarded the letters to Charles Francis Adams in London and had them published (Seward to Adams, No. 767, 23 November 1863). The captured letters are printed in full here:

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1863p1/d675

Despatch No. 13, written from Paris on 23 December 1863, is the first he ever enciphered. He announces it in the middle of the page, in plain English:

>I will add in cipher one item (My Brother has the Key.)

And again in a postscript: I use my Brother's cipher.

It is not the State Department's cipher. The packet issued to him before he sailed survives at reel 9, and holds a Rochford grille and four Vigenère tables. There is no symbol alphabet in it. What he used was a private alphabet held by his brother, Thomas Cooper DeLeon, in Richmond.

The cipher

The marks are geometric shapes and arabic numerals: dotted boxes open on different sides, a trident, a caret with a dot, phi and psi, and the digits 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 used as ciphertext. Three passages survive across two despatches, around 140 marks of distinct text. He re-copied the first passage into the second despatch, so the raw count on the film is higher.

Two things made it tractable. One cipher word repeats its symbols in a distinctive pattern, and searching an English word list for words of the same length and shape returns essentially one candidate: OPINION. That fixed four letters. Separately, a statistical attack that scores candidate alphabets on how English-like the resulting text looks was run without being given that result, and recovered most of the same alphabet on its own. Anchoring the letters both approaches agreed on and searching the remainder produced continuous English.

The three passages

Italics mark words he wrote in plain English inside the cipher stream.

1) No. 13, Paris, 23 December 1863

>MY LETER INTERCPTD. GOOD ADVERTISMNT. BOT OPINION NATIONAL and OTER ENEMI SINCE

Read as: My letter intercepted. Good advertisement. Bought L'Opinion Nationale, and other enemies since.

L'Opinion Nationale was a Paris daily. He is describing the publication of his own captured correspondence as useful advertising, and reporting a purchase.

Note the plural. He bought L'Opinion Nationale, and other enemies since: papers that had been hostile and were no longer.

What "bought" covers is worth being careful about, because the cipher does not say. His fund was for placing Confederate material in the European press, which in practice meant subsidies, retainers to editors and paid insertions. Acquiring the titles themselves would have cost far more than the $25,000 he had for the whole of Europe. The natural reading is that he bought their support rather than the papers, but the word in the cipher is simply BOT, and I would not push it further than that.

2) No. 14, Paris, 20 January 1864, first passage

>MOR MONY SHUD B SPENT THIS WAY

Read as: More money should be spent this way. Having just told Richmond he bought one paper, he is asking for the budget to buy more.

3) No. 14, second passage

>SUM IS NEDED TO CARY OUT PLEDGES and to PREVNT REACTION. For this last 500 MORE [ … ]

That passage reads cleanly down to PREVNT REACTION. For this last 500 is written in plain English on the page. After it come a handful of marks that do not fully resolve, shown in brackets above, and his brother renders the whole ending as "additional in fifties would answer". Reading that as a request for the balance in fifty-pound notes is my inference from his wording.

His spelling

The short forms are his, not transcription errors. Counting across all three passages there are twenty deletions and no insertions anywhere. He only ever removes letters.

He writes one symbol per sound, so BOUGHT is BOT and SHOULD is SHUD. He writes doubled letters once, so LETTER is LETER and CARRY is CARY, except where the collapse would produce another word: GOOD stays GOOD, because GOD is a word. Unstressed vowels are what he drops, and E goes most often.

His brother's translations

Two contemporary translations survive, both by the brother, and both from February 1864. He had the alphabet and produced a reading when the State Department asked him for one.

The first is at reel 9 frame 87, repeated at reel 33 frame 593, from Thomas Cooper DeLeon to W. J. Bromwell, chief clerk of the State Department, dated 12 February 1864 and endorsed Literal translation. The second, at reel 33 frame 595 and dated 22 February 1864, is written against the cipher.

What he did not write down anywhere is the alphabet. Neither document gives a single symbol-to-letter mapping. Nor is either a strict letter-by-letter decipherment. He renders the second passage as More funds ought to be spent in this manner, where the cipher reads MOR MONY SHUD B SPENT THIS WAY, and the third as there is needed enough to meet existing pledges against SUM IS NEDED TO CARY OUT PLEDGES. He says as much himself: I enclose translation as near as I can make it. It reads as a man working from the key and his own familiarity with his brother's shorthand, giving the sense rather than the letters.

That matters for what can be claimed. For the first passage his translation is a genuine independent check, and it matches. For the two shorter passages, four rarely-used symbols could not be settled from the cipher text alone, and his reading is what settled them. Eighteen commonly-used symbols came from the cipher text and none of them moved.

Worth noting what the existence of those translations means at all. Thomas Cooper DeLeon (his brother back home) worked in the Navy Department. When No. 13 arrived in Richmond, the State Department's chief clerk had to write to another department and ask what it said.

Why he stopped

Despatch No. 15, Paris, 3 February 1864, carries no cipher, and explains itself:

>Your Despatch No. 5 of December 9th has been duly received, and I cheerfully accept the withdrawal of a commission I have never exhibited, of a title I have never used, and of a salary which I have never accepted.

That is his recall, signed by Benjamin on 9 December 1863 and carried to Paris by ship. The two enciphered dispatches are four weeks apart. Two dispatches, three passages, and that is the whole of it.

Note: To be clear, the contents of these dispatches were never "lost". The brother's translations were filed with them and have been in the archive throughout. What was lost is the alphabet and the exact solution to the cipher: nobody wrote it down, and it appears in no surviving document I have located. That is what has been reconstructed, and unlike the translations it applies to anything else that turns up with the same cipher key.

Sources

The manuscripts are Library of Congress, Confederate States of America Records (the Pickett Papers), MSS16550: reel 9 frames 87, 97, 102, 104 and 106, and reel 33 frames 592 to 595. The collection is digitized and free:

https://www.loc.gov/collections/confederate-states-of-america-records/about-this-collection/

I am working towards publishing this, together with some other Civil War cipher results, and I am happy to share the documents I have catalogued, the full glyph table, the transcriptions and the working notes with anyone who wants them. If you would like to check the work, or have leads towards similar historical ciphers, please get in touch. Thank you for reading!

u/offgramercy — 2 days ago
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In Case of Secession Break Glass

I took this photo yesterday at, The 5th Maine Museum on Peaks Island, Maine: built in 1888 as a cottage for surviving veterans of the regiment, it now stands as a museum honoring their legacy. The museum and its dedicated staff keep Maine's proud Civil War history alive with an impressive collection of memorabilia, portraits, and their prized possession: the original American flag carried by the regiment. Well worth the ferry ride from Portland!

https://www.fifthmainemuseum.org/

u/Ryancurley10 — 3 days ago
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Furlough the correct term?

For any Civil War folks out there, I'm writing about someone who enlisted in an infantry regiment in Pittsburgh on Sept 1. 1862. He fought in several battles over the next two years in Maryland and Virginia, and then ordered to winter outside Petersburg, VA. He then went home to Pittsburgh to visit his family sometime after October 15, 1964. Would wintering soldiers at the time have been allowed a furlough to visit family? What other reasons might there have been for a private to be allowed to travel from his unit's wintering station to his home? Any ideas welcome!

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u/atmcphee — 2 days ago
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Civil war ancestor fought for both sides?

Civil War ancestor fought in both sides?

my 4th great grandfather Berry Benjamin Turner and his brother James R. Turner fought for the union in the 12th Tennessee Cavalry. They would have been between 17 and 18 years old with Berry being the elder brother. In Berrys discharge record i have in my home it says he enlisted January 13 1864 in Nashville James digital pensions say the same. However i’ve recently come across a prisoner of war record showing both Berry and James having been part of the 39th Georgia Infantry and released in Nashville January 6 1864 under order of MajGen. Grant. Why might it be that they served on both sides? Could they have defected to the union together?

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u/SeweRSlug26 — 3 days ago
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Was thinking about reading Shelby Foote’s series The Civil War: A Narrative and saw this review

Is this an inaccurate review? Are these books heavy pro-Confederacy?

u/Breakker1 — 5 days ago