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Did I get screwed?

About a year ago, my boss, a MSgt, came into our small shop, which only consists of two people, and informed us that a MSgt stripe had been identified for our section. For context, our previous MSgt had retired about a year and a half earlier, and command leadership had previously stated they were not planning to place another MSgt in our shop. We are part of MXS, and at the time the shop consisted of two TSgts: one AGR and one technician.

Naturally, we asked whether the stripe was intended for an AGR or technician position. We were told it “didn’t matter” because it was “just a stripe.” Based on that guidance, both of us prepared extensively for the promotion board. We printed our RIPs, PT scores, resumes, and assembled complete board packages. We completed the boards and then heard nothing for weeks.

Eventually, our supervisor informed us that the board had resulted in a complete tie, fives across the board in every category. According to him, the Lt Col and Chief refused to make the final decision and instead directed our immediate supervisor to choose between us. More weeks passed with no resolution.

Later, our MSgt supervisor from the Element informed us that he intended to conduct a seven-person blind vote to make the final selection. That immediately raised concerns for me because it seemed highly irregular. The vote ultimately ended 4-3, and I was not selected.

What made the situation difficult to understand was the disparity in qualifications and performance. My coworker, who I genuinely enjoy working with and respect as a person, had been a TSgt for over a decade and had completed NCOA roughly 90 days prior to the board. Beyond that, there was little else presented.

Since 2021, I have been responsible for more than 93% of all inspections completed both inside and outside the shop. During that same period, I completed two degrees, NCOA, and even SNCOA after virtual enrollment was opened to TSgts. I took the initiative to complete it early because I believed it demonstrated preparation and commitment.

After the selection, I requested feedback from leadership regarding how the decision had been made and whether education, PME, or overall development had been factored into the process. I was told three things directly:

  1. “Education doesn’t mean shit in MXS.”

  2. “The score sheet on the front of the packet doesn’t mean anything. We can give points to whoever we want for whatever we want.”

  3. “Politics are still in play.”

I also learned that our former MSgt had contacted multiple individuals who may have been involved in the process to advocate for my coworker. That same individual had previously approached me about completing CCAF coursework for money, which I refused to do on four separate occasions.

The following day, my Chief made another statement that added to my concerns. When I asked why education, or professional development were not considered during the selection process, I was told, quote:

“Since a degree isn’t required for MSgt, we felt it would be unfair to consider education because it would disadvantage the person who doesn’t have it.”

At the end of the day, I’m left wondering whether my concerns are justified or whether I’m wrong for feeling like the process was unfair from the start.

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u/InternationalDig1453 — 19 hours ago

AGR Promotion... but with a twist

Fellow guardsmen,

I'll try and be brief, but looking for some feedback. Currently a TSgt with 17 year sat service and 10.5 years TAFMS. I've been a DSG after coming off Active Duty for most of my Guard career, but an AGR MSgt position opened up, and I got the position. It was communicated from my unit that it would also come with the MSgt promotion.

My leadership said they submitted the package and was up at the state level, but was just told that the package was at the Group Chief's desk, which he had some concerns. This is a new Group Chief, which I have not met.

With the timing of my AGR orders, my ACB and SSRB board would happen at the same time, and the Group Chief stated that he feels that I should wait 2 years before promoting so I would have a better chance of not being "not retained" from the ACB board. He also is concerned that I would be holding somebody else up that has a closer gap with sat service years and TAFMS (which there isn't anybody currently eligible and an E7 slot will be opening up at the end of this year).

My unit Chief and Superintendent came to me with this and asked if I would want to wait or if I would want to proceed with the promotion. With this, they stated that I will need to be all in, get all my PMEs done immediately, go on all available TDYs, and go above and beyond for everything basically. I was a bit concerned that there was even a question in me promoting immediately.

Does this sound like something is off? I've been doing the flight chief role for 3 months now, and have received nothing but praise from my leadership. Something just doesn't seem right with it.

Thanks in advance.

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u/Careless_Victory_806 — 23 hours ago

What would happen if an employer would fire you right before going on orders for 8 months?

My company is very military friendly and I do well at my job, so I am not worried in the slightest, but it makes me wonder what one could do if they are fired after giving notice of going on military leave and no history of poor work? Is there anything that could be done such as suing them? Might be a dumb question..

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u/jbagel27 — 2 days ago

AGR in a different state

I’m currently an AGR. I’m looking to go AGR in a different state, within the same career field. I have some questions regarding this. Is it any different since I am already an AGR? What’s the process look like? Has anyone here done it? Looking for all advice I can get

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u/PsychologicalCow9685 — 3 days ago

Is in-residence PME still PT testing even with PT being pushed 6 months out?

I apologize if this should be considered only a PT question. I've worked with my unit and wing training managers and they don't have clarification.

For people that have gone in residence for PME since March, is the within 5 calendar day PT test still a requirement with the current PT 'adjustment period" and if so is it still set up to send the member back to their unit upon failure?

How does the PT test work for those that go virtually in residence?

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u/Amidaytradingyet — 3 days ago

Know anyone who resign O to E just to join ANG?

Not me, but I’m just wondering if anybody actually resigned their officer position to go enlisted so they can join the air National Guard.

It’s something I heard a lot in Reddit, but not much discussed about. If you do, why did you do that?

Please be civil too. I know it might not be common or might not be a smart choice but I’m just very curious about the reasoning why someone would :) thank you!

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u/FeistyDistribution20 — 6 days ago

Med Sep and Retirement Pay?

Greetings!

I’ve got a member who just had an AMRO initiated which could lead to a potential medical separation/retirement scenario. The members condition in no way affects their ability to do their job, but is nonetheless requiring a waiver that goes against current policy. Wing medical is completely supportive of it, but did warn the member it could lead to a medical separation/retirement.

The member is concerned as they are at 13 years and wanted to be able to retire, and don’t want those 13 years to be wasted (ie not receive retirement pay). They are also unsure if they are allowed to choose between being medically retired/separated or just dealing with their issue should the process come back against them (ie defer a waiver and stay in or no matter what they’re forced out).

I’ve got the questions out to the medical group and up my chain, but figured I’d ask the populous here if anybody has any experience with it.

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u/unheardhc — 5 days ago
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The Logistics of Paternity Leave. How to plan and when does it start?

My husband just got an AGR position, and I am due to give birth in just over 2 months. In a preliminary conversation with his new Flight Chief, he has been told he is entitled to the leave, and is being encouraged to take it all at once. That's actually better than what I thought we were going to have to do! I expected that because it's a new job, they'd want him to take as little time off to start a possible.

I know he will be able to ask more questions about "how it works," but in the meanwhile, I am curious and was able to look up what it says in this document: https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a1/publication/dafi36-3003/dafi36-3003.pdf

"4.2.2.1.2.1.2. For the non-birth parent, 12 weeks of parental leave will be authorized during the 1-year period beginning no earlier than on the date of birth of the child."

Wonderful.

However, my question is how and when does he "put in" for the leave. I don't know when I am going into labor. I am going to do my darnedest to not have to be induced, which means there is a very wide swath of weeks when I could likely go into labor. Does he need to know ahead of time? Is he able to just take off that day of birth and then... stay home for the 12 weeks and do the paperwork after the fact?

How does it work logistically, if you don't know what day and week the birth will happen? Thank yoU!

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u/Melodic-Army4118 — 8 days ago

What are some good discounts you get as a member of the ANG?

Discounts from parks, stores, restaurants, activities, etc. I wanna know all the deals (or at least the good ones).

I know a lot of good deals come around on Veterans Day, but I mainly would like to know about places that have deals all the time (but throw out Veterans Day deals too!)

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u/AnonymousTaco77 — 10 days ago

Question about the associate's degree/education

So I completed tech school almost 2 years ago and decided to take some time off after that. I am just now getting back out there with my life: I finished a few semesters part time at a local campus and actually have a major in mind this time around. (Being back in school for the first time since pre-Covid actually feels pretty good).

I recently had a sudden burst of hope and motivation in getting my bachelor's degree after witnessing people I know (family, friends, etc.) graduate and I don't want to be left behind, at least not for too long. I'm using the EAP to pay for my education and all of these other benefits are really making me feel better about my current position in life.

I transferred my transcript from Air University but only the credits from BMT carried over (they fulfill a Health and Wellness class), and was wondering why my applied sciences degree didn't? I reached out to both Air University and people at my base for help in transferring credits/info/anything but I'm being left on read and don't want to wait much longer. I can't really schedule anything for this Fall until I know for sure what classes/subjects they would fulfill hypothetically (I don't want to take a class that turns out I didn't need to in the first place).

Anyone have any experience with this? And if possible, is there a way to obtain a physical copy of my degree? Just curious, and open to any kinds of help/answers (this part was always confusing to me). Thank you in advance!

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u/daMikinat0r — 7 days ago

Tax free bonuses

Can someone provide me with a document that discussed how reenlistment bonuses are handled if the member is currently at a tax free duty location?

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u/gladdy02 — 8 days ago

Using Federal TA While on MPA Tour

Hey everyone. More questions.

I know how to apply for federal TA benefits but my question is if I’m on active duty for most of the semester but not all of it can I still utilize TA benefits for some courses I’m taking for a graduate program in the fall? Or would they say no because my orders don’t extend through the new fiscal year.

Thank you in advance!

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u/Tirian1225 — 7 days ago

Asking out a BX employee

Not sure if this is allowed but I’m sure mods will remove if not, but there’s a cute girl that works at the BX at my guard base. My genuine question is what are the odds she is a significant other to another military member. I don’t wanna make things awkward and ask her out and learn she’s married to another service member. I know that’s more common in AD at least to my knowledge but I’m not sure if the guard is similar. Side note, she does not have a ring on here finger in case someone asks.

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u/One-Professional377 — 11 days ago

Disability Separation

I have been a dual-status technician for 12 years, and have 20 "good" years with the Guard. Due to a neurological condition, I can no longer perform several required tasks on my PD. My ETS is in August.

My intention is to submit my retirement package on the Guard side while simultaneously applying for disability retirement on the technician side. However, what I can't figure out is if I have to be approved for a Fed disability retirement before I submit my Guard retirement packet.

In other words, I'm concerned that if I go forward with a regular Guard retirement that I'll become ineligible for disability benefits on the technician side.

If anyone has any insights, or have gone through similar circumstances, please let me know. I'm waiting to hear back from HRO but it has been several days and I'm getting anxious.

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u/Devonai — 9 days ago

Reimbursement for IDT travel?

Hi all,

Been on full time orders for several years and now moving away but will still remain with the unit and drill. New living situation will require a flight there.

I have read some stuff about potentially being able to use DTS fare if you have it authorized (but member pays) or for the unit to pay for your travel (up to a $750 limit) but was wondering if anyone had the latest source documentation on what is possible?

Thanks in advance!

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u/ablecharlie155 — 12 days ago