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A benchmark for LLMs playing Civilization V. GLM-5.3 is ahead of Opus-5.5, and Qwen-3.8-27B holds up surprisingly well.
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A benchmark for LLMs playing Civilization V. GLM-5.3 is ahead of Opus-5.5, and Qwen-3.8-27B holds up surprisingly well.

A while ago, I posted here getting OSS-120B and GLM-4.6 playing full games of Civilization V. Since then, models have moved pretty far, and we wanted a better understanding about models' capabilities playing the game.

Introducing the controlled version of CivBench on newer models:

The controlled version of CivBench (Chen et al., 2026, extending our COLM 2026 work)

We are currently testing GPT-6.1-Sol, GPT-6-Astra, etc. Feel free to suggest some models (especially interesting open-weight ones) for our next run!

What is Civilization? Civilization V ($7.49 today on Steam promotion) is a turn-based strategy game where you take a civilization through hundreds of turns of expansion, science, diplomacy, war and eventually the space age. That makes it useful for testing something LLM benchmarks often struggle with: decisions whose consequences may not show up until 50 or 100+ turns later.

A LLM strategist playing as Byzantine. Can Theodora rebuilt Rome?

What makes this a controlled experiment? Instead of giving each model unrelated games, we rotate them through the same three fixed starts. Each game has eight civilizations: two using the tested LLM strategist and six using the standard Vox Populi AI. The LLM sets high-level strategy; Civ's existing AI handles low-level execution.

Can I see how the models actually play? Yes. A few examples:

Can I play a round now? Yes. If you own the game, Vox Deorum is open source and has an installer. You can play Civilization V yourself against LLM-powered civilizations, watch a full AI-vs-AI game, or even chat with your opponents. You can also have LLMs as your teammates and work together towards a win!

Guess I can't avoid an unequal treaty as a pacifist. At least I can get a bargain?

Can I use local models or my existing subscriptions? Yes. Local OpenAI-compatible servers are supported, and Qwen-3.8-27B can do an excellent job. You can also use your existing Claude or Codex subscriptions. (I use them to run a ton of evaluation games! GPT-6-Luna is basically free to play. About $0.5 in API cost per player per game.)

What else did you learn? Please check out our COLM 2026 paper for methodology and EMNLP 2026 paper for whether models would authorize nuclear strikes on others. I guess Civilization is just a game, don't you think so?

Can we at least have a chat, please?

(Sorry for sending and deleting this repeatedly. Guess I shouldn't use in-flight wifi to send a post with many pictures. I hope they go through! Please let me know if you can't see them.)

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u/kwizzle — 10 days ago
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Learned the hard way about trying to found a religion when starting as the closest neighbor to Arabia.

Playing on King difficulty. I wasn't expecting to dominate the globe with my religion, but I thought that if I leaned into religion hard enough I might be able to hold on to my own cities and the closest city states. I built Borobudur for the free missionaries and but by the time I finished the Grand Temple Arabia had already converted everything within sight except for my capitol city. They converted the surrounding city states with missionaries, but converted my own cities with just caravans, so I don't think investing in inquisitors would have done much to help. The religious pressure that comes from their caravans is ridiculous!

Oh well, at least I was able to build pagodas in three of my cities before they converted. Pagodas are nice, but I dunno if they are they worth the 4 shrines, 4 temples and two wonders I invested in hopelessly trying to protect my religion.

u/j_j-j_jr_shabadoo — 10 days ago
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Civ 5 Germany with much food

R5:
Startet a game as Germany and was pretty happy with the map. also found Potosi near me and even Krakatau near a coast.

Decided to go tradition even if I normally go liberty as German.

No mods, BNW, Emperor, huge map

u/GoldenMic — 10 days ago
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Advice for settling

https://preview.redd.it/59lw374euhth1.jpg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b220a996ac4f7b38b87cf9e8fcda7d24575a862d

Need some ideas on where to settle, I really cannot decide. Building 2 more settlers currently. Im sending the first one to between cattle and truffles.

Im thinking about a petra city on the desert. One option is 3 tiles east of the marble, it also reaches the pearls and is coastal. The other option im thinking 1 tile is east of the cattle, which makes it right in the dessert.

For the other city, im considering settling on the horses above my warrior to acquire crabs. However, if i get the pearls up top, ill have enough unique luxuries for 4 cities (wine, ivory, truffles, marble, pearls). The spot between bison and wines also looks very good.

Settings are: Immortal difficulty, normal speed, continents

Open to ideas for the first settler as well. I've chosen the wine pantheon, but maybe should have picked desert one.

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u/sosotoyo — 11 days ago