I am getting braces in a week and my ortho is suggesting that I get 4 premolars removed because I have crowing and a big overbite. After hearing all the storylines of other people getting their teeth extracted I am extremely scared and not sure what to do. She also said if I came in younger I could have gotten a palate expander but it’s too late now. Please help I am really scared
I’m 16 years old. Over time I’ve noticed negative changes to my facial structure and side profile, especially related to my nose, lips, and how tired my eyes look. Mentally, I feel chronic fatigue and loss of concentration. This is due to a multitude of bad habits that I am only properly aware of now: I started to chronically mouth breathe and sleep with my mouth open at a young age, constantly chewed on my nails, and slouched in front of devices. I needed orthodontics and got braces with rubber bands and a palate expander when I was 13 - now I wear retainers every night, but I think that the damage has been done. All these are pictures of what I look like currently and the last picture is when I was a child, can’t remember how old I was in that picture but I marked it ‘before‘ in red. I hate my teeth and my disgusting gummy smile and I feel like my facial structure has been completely ruined. I was told that I have a narrow face and my orthodontist said I have an overbite, but the root cause of mouth breathing and poor posture was never properly corrected early on. I was told to “close my lips together” but that was the extent of it. I’m currently having trouble with anxiety and struggling to breathe normally and having frequent insomnia previously had sleep bruxism. I’m so stressed about this and my physical and mental health has been severely impaired and feel that my life has been ruined. I stopped my mouth breathing now, but it’s noticeably harder for me to close my lips together. Realistically, I’m aware that mewing can’t entirely fix or reverse structural problems, but I’m going to try and improve my tongue posture from now on. I just used to be so beautiful and healthy before... My parents are aware about some of this, but I have health anxiety too which can confuse them as it’s difficult to understand which symptoms are real or not. I don’t think they completely understand. I’m currently not in the position to have surgery or anything like that and the orthodontics were expensive. I need some advice or reassurance of some sort, please. What can mewing actually fix? Are these problems all too late to correct?
The beginning is when I was mewing/jutting not really proper hard mewing, that starts at 15 seconds of this compilation, which was roughly 11 months ago and all the way up to current side profile, because of hardmewing/STRAM, I was able to fix my overbite, recessed jaw and recessed ramus overtime, I started at 16.3-16 and a half, currently I'm 17, before this I had no changes in my jaw from 13 all the way up to 16 until I started hardmewing, I was inspired by salludon to start doing STRAM eventually which is why you can see how at the end I got very major results
I followed this consistently for 7-8 hours a day, outside of that I wouldn't do any hardmewing I would do regular mewing, and I would also chew a lot of sugar free gum and eat chewy foods, my weight at the very beginning of the video was 69 kilograms, currently it is 75 kg at the same height, so I didn't lose any bodyfat and didn't gain any muscle, I didn't do much looksmaxxing outside of hardmewing
If u have any technical questions about it I recommend watching videos from this one YouTube channel @romeohardmew, very goated channel and ofc some pdfs etc from salludon for more info on how to do it as I'm not rly good at explaining that entire process myself
I had Invisalign when I was 12 - 14, never had any teeth removed and I wear plastic retainers. I want to improve my side profile. Any suggestions on what I should do?
Hello everyone, I am relatively new to mewing and need some advice.
I had braces as a teenager and a mechanical expander, but afterwards I didn't keep the retainer and some of the teeth went back into a crooked position (not entirely, but still). I breathe through my nose, always have, but I have had intense TMJ issues years -- clicking, misalignment, and a recessed chin.
About 6 years ago, I had 2 of my wisdom teeth removed (upper and lower wisdom teeth on the right side of my jaw, which happens to be where the TMJ issues have always been the worst). Then I went traveling, the pandemic started, and we stayed abroad. Now I'm back in Europe, and I could remove the other 2 wisdom teeth. However, now that I am learning about mewing as a solution to these issues, I see that removing wisdom teeth is not recommended, but it seems like a bad idea to have a lack of balance (right side without wisdom teeth, left side with).
Do any of you have any information that could help me in this regard? Orthodontists and dentists I have spoken to dismiss orthotropics outright and just want to pull out my teeth and give me braces again, so I am not sure who to talk to about this.
Thanks in advance!
Blessings.
I've trying to mew for 1 month, trying different techniques, approaches, seeing what works, researching, and just yesterday and this day I figured out how to mew really hard and feel my bones reshaping while doing it. Then, after one session of hard mewing, I saw my maxila had moved forward, and I realized my breathing improved and I was finally able to hold a suction mew easily. I just had a meal with my family and the way they are treating me is... insane, night and day, like way more polite. I never expected to see such fast results, but yes, hard mewing is a true cheatcode, it took me a month to figure it out, but then I just had to do a small amount to see instant progress. That was my experience, and I'd be very curious to know if someone has had the same happen to them.
I cannot believe this.
Im currently one year having braces but i feel like they will break my face.
Make it worse and recessed.
So im thinking about quiting them and start thumbpulling, hard mewing, and some towel pulling and streching.
Let me know what you think?
First 2 pictures are the beginning when I started, the 4 after that are a few months in, and the rest are current, I've been practicing the STRAM method created by the user helmutstrebl or smth like that aka salludon and it's been pretty effective I'm still around the same bodyfat percentage
Hi there! I've taken my son to 2 well known and respected orthodontist in town. Both have given different opinions for my son (9). Below is the email from the first office. And number 2 isy summary from office 2.
treatment plan for child involves braces on all available teeth to address some of the lower crowding. More importantly, this will open space for his upper right adult canine tooth to erupt on its own, rather than risking it becoming trapped in the bone. The overall benefit is that teenage braces, which child will still need, will be a more simplified treatment for him. His first round of treatment will involve roughly 12 months in braces, followed by 2-3 years of nightly retainer wear and a few check-up appointments in our office each year until he is ready for his second round of treatment.
The RPE expander is hooked to his back molars with a bar towards the palate of his mouth, you use a key to turn it and it widens the palate of the mouth. It is usually in his mouth for 9 months. Then he'll wear a retainer until phase 2 which is when all adult teeth are in and braces can begin.
Hi everyone,
I’m a 31-year-old female and I’ve never had braces or any orthodontic treatment.
Growing up, I lived in a small town where there wasn’t much awareness or access to orthodontic care, so my bite was never evaluated. Over the years, several dentists have commented that my bite is “different,” and recently I started looking into it myself.
From what I understand, I may have an underbite, a crossbite, or possibly a combination of both, but I’m not sure. My upper jaw seems to sit slightly behind my lower jaw. I’ve attached photos in case anyone can share their thoughts.
I’ve also noticed a few issues that make me wonder whether my bite has affected my facial development:
I don’t feel like I chew food properly. Even when I try, I seem to swallow food without much chewing.
My face has always looked slightly asymmetrical. My smile is uneven, with one side of my lips sitting lower than the other, and it feels like my jaw may be slightly shifted.
My lower teeth are more crowded than my upper teeth.
My front teeth rub against each other, and my upper front teeth have become very sharp from years of wear, which worries me.
I did see an orthodontist once, and she told me my case would likely require braces combined with jaw surgery. That recommendation scared me, so I never moved forward with treatment.
I’m posting here because I’d like to understand the orthotropic perspective.
At 31 years old:
Can orthotropics still make a meaningful difference, or is it mainly effective during childhood?
Could improving tongue posture, swallowing, breathing, and overall oral posture help with my bite, facial asymmetry, or chewing?
Has anyone with a similar bite seen noticeable improvements without jaw surgery?
If you think surgery is still necessary, I’d appreciate hearing why.
I’m genuinely trying to understand all perspectives before deciding what to do. Thank you for taking the time to read my post and for any advice or experiences you can share.
Thank you!🙏
Considering adult braces. Mom thought my crooked teeth were cute and had a bad experience with them as a kid so I never got them. My teeth are so crooked that I think it's causing an overbite but I also know my jaw is just genetically small. I do have a bad habit of mouth breathing occasionally though (mostly during exercise + sleeping), I think probably because my nostrils are so small. Wish I had a million dollars to fix my face. I could get away with a tiny jaw when I had long hair but I have severe trich so I've been shaving it and how much I look like a baby is all I can think about any time i see my reflection. Ugh. What the fuck do I do???!?!?!
My orthodontist said that my tpa would be enough, I obviously think otherwise, my palette is so narrow that I cannot fit my index finger to the top of my mouth near the front. I’ve had 2 teeth pulled and I think that after my braces that’s my treatment finished (my orthodontist doesn’t really tell me what is happening I just come into an appointment and leave) does anyone know if I can and how to request an expander (nhs)
Our daughter is 14m and leaves her mouth open most of the day. I have started learning about orthotropics and the benefits of facial jaw development when tongue is in proper position in roof of mouth. Does anyone have experience on how to get them to close their kids mouth during the day?
Long time mewer here. Recently i started to develop tooth soreness. Also then i try to cleanch my jaw my upper front teeth dont meet bottom front teeth. Did I fucked up? Would appreciate advice.
I've been mewing and I hear creaking sounds and my sinus feels weird. Is that a good or bad sign?
Had wider palate up until I started having severe sinus infection. Turned narrow on top and bottom. Was so bad one time I pressed the roof of my mouth and it clicked back into a widened position. Freaked me out. It’s been years and mewing only got me so far.
Finally had an ENT who thought to give me antibiotic in sinus rinse and I’ve combined it with a drop or two of baby shampoo, xylitol saline and one or two drops of betadine. It’s been maybe 2 weeks of rinsing twice a day, ongoing 3 weeks and my upper palate finally fits my entire tongue. My lower palate is widening for once. Haven’t seen that in years.
Doing the pirouette and myginds rinsing positions. Give it a try if you’ve been struggling with sinus infection and narrow palates.
Edit: take a probiotic or drink kefir while doing this. If you swallow the drainage by accident it does affect your gut
Chronic nasal obstruction for most of my life, recently diagnosed with silent sinus syndrome. I got sinus and nose surgery days ago. I have a descent amount of downward growth but I think my overall bone growth is there like nothing is truly recessed. Wide palate though, no crowding, 8 tooth smile. Late puberty history if that’s relevant to anything.
For context, I’m like 5’10, really lean, have like descent facial genetics for my bad habits. Maxilla that’s downwards grown straight ish nose that kind of curves down. I have terrible posture and fhp (actively fixing it)
Basically the airway was obstructed for 20 years and I’m wondering how much of the downstream facial pattern is realistically still responsive now facial bones are for bone remodeling and ccw rotation of the mandible and maxilla. I’m not necessarily talking abt bone growth just proper movement naturally that gets talked about a lot on this page.
What I’m actually trying to figure out:
I’m trying to figure out where the honest line is. Specifically:
• Is it possible to achieve some sort of ccw rotation naturally through fixing habits like tounge posture, drastically improving sleep quality
Thank you all, and if you need anymore info I can give it via pm id love to learn more about this community 💟
Has anyone here seen actual palate/arch expansion in adulthood from Invisalign? Is it even possible?
I’m trying to understand my options before my next refinement round, which I have an appointment for in a week.
Photos I’m attaching:
- Current palate + smile/teeth (post-first round, which took a year and a half) 1-3
- Before first round of Invisalign (yikes) 4
- Childhood (after expander and braces) 5-6
For context, I had a palate expander (clearly didn’t do much) and braces as a kid, but never wore my retainer + bad myo habits so I had crowding over time - which led me to do Invisalign as an adult. I’ve never had any teeth pulled, and my wisdom teeth haven’t come in.
I’m getting this second round mostly to straighten things a bit more, and my ortho wants to tweak my bite by pulling the back teeth down with bands (I guess I tend to rest more on my front teeth, but I haven’t had any pain or TMJ symptoms).
Lately, I’ve been learning about palate width, arch development, and relapse patterns after orthodontic treatment, and I’m trying to understand how it all applies to my own case.
Questions:
Does it look like my arch has actually expanded at all over time?
Can Invisalign meaningfully expand the arch in adults?
Would it even make sense to ask my orthodontist to also focus this refinement round on further arch widening?
Just trying to learn what’s realistic before my appointment. Thanks guys!
Had braces when i was 13 , wore retainers for a few months and then ditched them ,my current dentist refuses to acknowledge the fact that my palate is fucked and recommends braces again . Also one side of my face looks like its melting
I was practicing swallow for weeks but yesterday i did this too much i was pushing hard on palate too much and correcting my swallow but at night i froced too much and push my tongue back near soft palate and hard palate and swallowed
I got a click or crack sound on that area in picture , i started getting strange feeling in that area also in my right ear. I didn't get any pain but when i swallow i get a little bit click sound in that area . Also I'm feeling that something is stucked in my nasal cavity as same as how we get when mucus is present there
I touched that area with my finger and the left end of hard palate is raied but not the right one where i pushed hard
Everytime i swallow a click sound is coming in that right area
What should i do now? I'm very scared now