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Study on High Dose Topical Mepyramine for Erythomyalgia
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Study on High Dose Topical Mepyramine for Erythomyalgia

I came across a study that may be useful for those suffering erythomyalgia. The paper is on the use of 20% mepyramine cream (technically an antihistamine but it has sodium channel blocking properties) on patients whose causes were either NaV1.7 mutations or unknown. All patients had severe, poorly controlled erythomyalgia despite being on a number of medications. It's only 8 patients but the results were promising.

The second link is a data table showing the improvement in pain and shortened duration of erythomyalgia episodes each patient experienced. Link 3 is to pictures showing the visual difference. It includes one young girl whose family applied the cream to one limb and not the other in order to show the stark difference mepyramine had on her. Prior to the cream, her pain was 7 out of 10 despite being on multiple medications like morphine, fentanyl, and sodium channel blockers like mexiletine. She responded particularly well and went down to a 1 out of 10. Link 4 is to a list of all the medications the patients were on prior to trying the cream.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12740923/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12740923/table/tab3/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12740923/figure/fig7/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12740923/table/tab4/

20% mepyramine is a lot higher than the 2% found in normal commercial formulations . The researchers said doses tried before the study of around 2-5% were ineffective. The unconventionally high dose means it's something a doctor would have to order made through a compounding pharmacy. If any of your doctors believe this is worthwhile for you to try, I hope it works out for you. The lack of controls is regrettable, but given the many medications tried on these patients before without success and the ability to visually confirm the difference the cream had, it is unlikely the findings can be attributed to placebo.

Some selective quotes:

"In this study, we demonstrate that mepyramine, a compound previously shown to alleviate pain in animal models, effectively targets hNav1.7 channels carrying PEM-associated gain-of-function mutations, providing substantial pain relief in PEM patients. Using voltage-clamp recordings in human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells, we demonstrated that mepyramine inhibits hNav1.7 channels carrying three distinct PEM mutations, I848T, L858F, and L1267V, which differentially affect the gating properties of hNav1.7. Importantly, mepyramine’s efficacy was consistent regardless of how these mutations altered channel activation or inactivation properties. To evaluate its clinical potential, we administered a high-dose topical formulation of mepyramine to a group of PEM patients suffering from severe pain that was unresponsive to conventional analgesics, including cases with identified SCN9A mutations. This treatment rapidly and durably reduced burning pain and erythema, providing meaningful relief for patients who had not responded to, or could not tolerate, previous therapies. These results suggest that mepyramine can inhibit PEM-associated Nav1.7 channel mutants and may offer a new therapeutic approach for PEM patients."

"The selection of the 20% concentration was based on preliminary data indicating that lower concentrations (2–5%) were ineffective and failed to provide adequate analgesia in patients with PEM"

"The patient reported a rapid decrease in NPRS score from 7/10 at baseline to 1/10, along with the complete disappearance of erythema and redness following the topical application of mepyramine (Figures 6, 7B,C and Table 3). The MCID indicated much relief, with an 85% reduction in pain. Noticeable relief was observed within 5–10 min of applying and rubbing the mepyramine cream and lasted for at least 3–4 h. The frequency of the attacks was also drastically reduced, and when they did occur, the duration was shortened to 10 min after mepyramine treatment compared to 30 min at baseline. No school absenteeism was observed during treatment, and the 9-year-old girl was able to resume cross-country activities."

u/CaughtinCalifornia — 5 days ago
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A Continuous Oral Regimen of High-Dose Cromolyn Sodium Is Effective for Some Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) Patients With Mast Cell Activation Syndrome

I wonder if cromolyn would also help with SIBO in the same group.

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u/reditrauma — 7 days ago

Biopsy soon, tell me everything!

Biopsy in two weeks.. what should I be asking? What do you wish you knew when first navigating diagnosis? I’m not even sure what’s going on yet, but I’ve been passed specialist to specialist like a pin ball game for years and finally landed on small fiber neuropathy and am scheduled for a biopsy in a couple weeks.

Backstory/History: My issues started 8yrs ago. The blankets started to severely hurt my toes. I switched to a light weight fleece and that helped. Then I’d get the same pain in my heels from touching the bed too long. I’ve gotten creative with pillows so I can manage to sleep but still wake up nightly because of it. Then came the random tingling and feeling of something being stuck on the bottom of my foot. Like a sticker or something but nothing was there. I also started randomly getting a feeling like my calf was being gently touched as time went on. The tingles have gone from my toes to now up to just below my knees. Worse at night or rest, but felt in varying intensity all the time. I’ve seen multiple PCM’s, podiatry, two neurologists, a rheumatologist, and had PT 3 times. Nothing helped. I had two NCS/EMG’s 2yrs apart that were normal. MRI’s ruled out MS. Extensive labs ruled out various causes.. Leg ultrasound for vascular causes was normal. It’s been a journey and now I finally have a Rheumatologist and a Neuro Dr who both think SFN. I am cautiously hopeful for an answer but also don’t know anything about SFN or how to proceed. My drs both didn’t have much to say about it other than it’s something they test for last. Rheumatologist think I may have inflammatory arthritis too but says that is unrelated to my leg and feet tingling.

Any advice? Words of wisdom?

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u/Weird_Fun_9809 — 8 days ago

flare up after Covid vaccine

I got the covid vaccine last night and today my hands and feet are buzzing and achy. I have some kind of neuropathy that hasn't been formally diagnosed yet, but I have been dealing with it for about a year. I am pretty upset, I went to CVS, had originally signed up online to get both flu and covid. I changed my mind about covid, let them know when I checked in, and told the technician multiple times. He gave it to me anyway and then profusely apologized. Anyway, do you think this is just a flare up? Or possibly worsening of the damage?

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u/StayInternational27 — 8 days ago

Rituximab?

Hello everyone.

I have SFN with positiv Anti-TS-HDS antibodies. It's mainly in my feet, causing tingeling, burning, numbness, Allodynia and temperature confusion. It also causes other symptoms in my peripheral nervoussystem. I have a neurogenic bladder, sweating problems, potentially POTS. I also have Long Covid with CFS (which is the main reason we don't try Plasmapharese).

I tried many medications I can here in Germany: corticoid infusions, IVIG, Lidocain, Capsaicin. I'm also on Gabapentin and Amitriptylin. My neurologist and I are discussing Rituximab or LDN. Since my liver and my kidneys don't so to well, with the liver responding poorly to new medication, my neurologist wants to try Rituximab.

Has anyone any experiences? How high is the dosis? How can I protect myself, since my immun system is going to be down (this is a mayor concern for me, since I have 2 kids attending school)?

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u/DarcShadowfax — 7 days ago

SCN10A mutation and SFN surgery tips

Hi friends. Looks like I may have found my cause of my SFN. The results of my whole genome sequencing came back as I’ve been recovering from a surgery, and I have a variant of unknown significance for the SCN10A gene. My variant hasn’t been recorded before so it can’t automatically be assumed to cause symptoms, but the ordering provider was pretty confident it is contributing because of the symptom overlap.

I’m still waiting on some other tests but am feeling more hopeful that meeting with a genetic counselor could give me guidance on how to determine if this gene variant is significant or not.

If anyone else has a SCN10A variant I’d love to hear your story as there is so little info available online.

I recently posted asking about surgery experiences for folks with SFN as I was very anxious about pain control based on my past experiences.

My recent surgery was still difficult at the beginning but WAY better in recovery so I just wanted to share some things that helped in case it ever helps anyone else:

-Journavx/ Suzetrigine: non opioid pill that blocks pain signal from the peripheral nervous system before they are registered by the central nervous system. The only thing I’d do differently is ask to take the first dose before I went under as it takes a while to kick in and I’m pretty sure it was the med giving me the most benefit

-exparel: long acting bupivicaine based formula that is injected into the tissue during surgery and reduces pain in that area for about 3 days.

-regional nerve blocks and epidurals: depending on the surgery these can completely numb a desired area for 1-2 days

-lidocaine and ketamine infusions: can help with nervous system sensitization which is common for those of us with chronic pain and especially unmanaged surgical pain

-other things that helped: ask for a multi modal/multi layered pain plan. Also have multiple backup plans for pain management. For example Journavx was actually a back up plan if the other methods didn’t work. If the Journavx didn’t work then I had prepared my pain specialist and let her know that I might need an emergency ketamine or lidocaine infusion. Having a surgical team that believed me at the largest hospital in my state also helped make sure they had the resources they needed to provide the care that would be most helpful. Knowing which meds usually helped me by name also helped me advocate during a pain crisis while waking up

These things aren’t guaranteed to work for everyone but I just wanted to share some cool things that I learned about more recently and they have given me hope for having an almost normal surgical experience

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u/-medical-mystery — 8 days ago