As a child under 13, did you ever ask an adult why you eat animals, or did you never question it? For those that did: what was their answer, and what did you think about the answer?

(Just putting 13 because over it you become more aware of how common it is for adults to lie)

Just full of trolls and apologists at this point and actual vegans with actual vegan ethics are told we are too much.

I will never congratulate someone for exploiting animals. Ever.

Fucking sick of it!

This is supposed to be a VEGAN subreddit.

I have a 17-year-old son. He is autistic and he is a passionate vegetarian. Without further knowledge, he was OK with eating eggs and dairy not understanding that those animals eventually end up dead. He just learned that today and no longer wants to consume any dairy or egg products. Here’s the problem, he is 6 feet tall under 120 pounds and losing. He has eating challenges and the dairy and eggs are really the only things that are keeping him alive at this point. He can’t stand the feeling of oily food in his mouth, but he desperately needs the fats. Non-fat yogurt, cottage cheese, and eggs are staples. It would be virtually impossible for us to make an overnight shift to an all vegan diet. He cannot afford to even miss one meal. He is barely medically stable, with bradycardia and less than perfect labs (we are under the watchful eye of an eating disorder doctor). There’s no way he’ll switch to food that he does not like just to get the calories in. He’s a very picky eater at this point.

Oh, the most fun he has in life right now is making ninja Creami s with high protein milk.

He is just crushed at the moment.

Advice? I am not vegan and am burned out trying to keep him alive. I do not have the time or mental capacity to find vegan foods that will replace his vegetarian, but not vegan foods. I have been with him 24/7 for about 26 months straight… these eating challenges are brutal….. he also has gastric and pelvic floor issues severally compounding it challenges…he has a good team of professionals, but nobody that he would listen to to help navigate this new knowledge and sudden loss of all his favorite foods.( No one that could understand his moral beliefs.)

My son has had a very rough last 3 years and has nothing to live for at the moment (once healthy, he has runs if f potential - he is smart, atheistic, loves to learn) he currently did not have that drive to stay in this world and today the world became a bit more cruel.

Looking at changing out from natural balance(actually vegan) dog food has anyone tried this?

Of course I make homemade vegan dog stews for them all the time, but I try to make sure they have the Kibbys for the macronutrients thoughts?

The quote in the title is the standard excuse used by people professing to be “vegan” to justify personally funding the violent abuse and killing of innocent animals through the purchase of animal products to feed their animal. They profess to be “allies” of the innocent animals while betraying them in the worst way possible by funding their slaughter in order to feed their corpses to their preferred animals on basis of species and convenience.

Here is a message to them:

You are NOT vegan. You’re plant-based dieting speciesists.

Want to be vegan? STOP personally funding the violent abuse and killing of innocent animals through the purchase of animal products.

You ask: what about the animals I already have?

Answer: re-home them with non-vegans looking for such animals or release them.

Don’t be the person with the 🩸of innocents on your hands.

There are posts literally every day from young people that say they want to be vegan, but their parents won't let them. When you ask how old they are, they are grown-ass adults, albeit young ones. What is going on with the youths?

I posted these three comments, my only interactions on the subreddit entirely:

Edited to add comments here as they've been removed.

One (I doubt this is the reason I was banned but I'll include it) https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/s/oXHZj3NKqF

> I'm vegan and I struggle to understand how self- proclaimed communists fail to see the parallels in how society reduces fellow sentient individuals (non-human animals) to the role of objects and resources for human use and the relationships between the bourgeoisie and the proletarians.

> To any communists that aren't vegan, I highly recommend these pieces of literature:

> 1. Veganarchism: Philosophy, Praxis, Self-criticism by Joseph Parampathu (free)

> 2. Unconditional Anti-Oppression: The Rise of Anti-Speciesism in the Anarchist Movement by A.Blitz Molotov (free)

> 3. Veganism Through the Lens of Decolonization by Venita Januarie (free)

> 4. The Political Left and the Overlooked Power of Veganism: Toward a Marxist-Animal Liberationist Framework for Ecological Revolution by Emilia A Leese (free)

> 5. Dear Leftist Critics of Veganism by John Tallent (free)

Two: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/s/OYTIHlchl0

> Just because some action is culturally established doesn’t mean that action is morally permissible. In some cultures, human honor killings, female genital mutilation, cannibalism, child marriage and stoning ‘apostates,’ has been culturally established, for example. But we shouldn’t think this type of exploitation and violence is morally acceptable just because it’s been culturally established.

Three: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/s/L6HjHS3NTm

> Calling vegans bigoted, racist, colonialist, and anti-Indigenous for opposing cultural relativism has effectively become a thought-terminating cliché of sorts. This is done because society usually will rightfully agree that racism is so unequivocally repugnant that racist ideas do not need to be entertained or validated in the slightest. Therefore, when a non-vegan finds a way to paint veganism as a racist stance, they feel justified in dismissing it without the discomfort of critical thought, thereby continuing to enable their oppressive mindset.

> Let me make it abundantly clear: culture is not an excuse for injustice. This should not be something controversial to state. Though it is possible for someone to hide behind a deceptive sense of being "pro-justice" as a cudgel for discriminating against other peoples, acknowledging the flaws of cultural relativism does not inherently entail doing this. In most cases, vegans only have to specifically address Indigenous culture in a defensive manner because, as a subject, the livelihoods of Indigenous peoples are so frequently exploited as a popular deflection for non-vegans.

Mods permabanned me with no explanation, then muted me when I sent a reply, which read:

"Banning someone for rejecting cultural relativism in a communist forum is pretty funny.

Fascism is not a spectrum, it is a single point that snaps into existence the moment it becomes accepted to treat the bodies of sentient individuals as a means to an end.

You either live in accordance with the understanding that exploitation is wrong (veganism), or you don't (non-veganism). Unlearning the societal conditioning that assumes we have a moral right to exploit other animals isn't some sort of feat or the final point of someone's personal growth, it's the minimum ethical standard we can uphold to sentient beings.

May all animals be free from us(e) and may all self proclaimed "anti-capitalists" truly live in alignment with their alleged beliefs. None are free until all are free."

Cowards.

Just a thought

Has ARFID always been this common in adults??? I feel like I'm living in a second timeline where suddenly everyone is too severely disabled to stop eating dino nuggets. But genuinely has anyone else noticed this?

"Oh no there is no gardein burger here"

Shut up. This is Mediterranean cuisine. We eat nothing but plants! We eat so many plants you haven't even heard of. And they pretend I don't exist. No way of course, these stupid backwater people could be vegan right? It's impossible to be vegan here but because they are oh so righteous they will tough it out by eating protein bars from home.

THERE ARE PROTEIN BARS HERE. In almost every market. But they love to shout out their misery. "There was only kebabs so we ate simit" Chickpea wrap is a speciality of Gaziantep the meat capital of Turkey. I'm not joking, that place is THE place for meat yet one of their speciality foods is vegan.

Anyways I recently tried to explain to someone all the good food they could have here but all they wanted was back pats for how brave they were for toughing it out there in that third world place. Vegetarian maybe, they say, but it is impossible to be vegan there, of course I did it but it's just so hard, why no, I didn't try any of the local food, they were all icky plants, I ate protein bars like a civilised vegan, absolutely no person could be vegan there, ignore all the vegans.

I can never sat this because they wouldn't believe it. I would look like I'm on this high horse, judging them. "Oh look at me I wouldn't hurt a fly" but it's true. I really wouldn't kill.

So anyways I'm never admitting this out loud lest vegans be seen as judgemental but I'm totally judging.

A comedian I like recently got arrested for a show, in that show he mentioned how he was sick of always being the one that is advocating for change. He said he went abroad and found something more extreme than him. For once in his life he could be like "that's too much, stop right there".

So yeah, I'm kinda conservative about children so that might be a start. But I need something new, not Kollontai you know.

Hey everyone, I'm convinced r/vegan is not actually vegan, so I'm asking here

Is it vegan to still wear leather shoes I had from before I went vegan (and just wait until I need new ones to buy vegan shoes)? I'd prefer not to wear leather but I also don't want to consume more resources and further destroy the planet

I'm divided, what are your thoughts?

UPDATE: Thank you! From the comments, I realized that abandoning animal products is only half of the battle, and the other half is supporting vegan products. Therefore, I will buy some new shoes!

Actually, turns out my shoes are fake leather anyways, but I'll be replacing my leather wallet and belt instead.

I want to hear from those of you who were knee deep in equestrian spaces and have seen this shit firsthand. I want the disgusting grimy details that usually don't pop out on the internet

I have a burning hate for horse riding and the horror that is horse racing, it pisses me off to NO END that unlike other kinds of animal exploitation these are widely watched and practiced, and I want to get an idea on what kind of people horse riders are and what kind of bullshit COPE they tell themselves in person when confronted with hurting and enslaving those poor, beautiful creatures. I wanna know what awful shit they do behind close doors when the camera isn't rolling, everything

I already know the usual stuff, hit me with something worse

I don’t know if it’s just me, but there’s this banner pop-up thing on the Vegan sub that I’ve seen since this morning saying “help lead our community, apply to be a moderator” and a button that says “apply.”

Please consider applying if you’ve been thinking about it, especially since you guys have a problem with how it’s being run right now.

Let me know if you don’t see it. I’m on the Reddit app.

The number of pick-me vegans who will say that feeding cats vegan food is animal abuse (but then have an aneurysm when you say that paying for animals to have their throats cut for cat food is also animal abuse) is staggering and annoying.

People get so angry about this so-called animal abuse, far more angry than pigs being put into gas chambers.

They ignore any and all evidence demonstrating that it can be done safely. They refuse to even entertain the idea because their minds are already made up that somehow I'm abusing animals by not paying for animals to be abused.

Make it make sense.

One said they usually eat vegetarian when traveling because it’s better quality, the restaurants have to be more creative and the result is better. Next time I saw her at lunch (a year later) she said she ate beef and eggs for breakfast (not even breakfast style food but some other cursed concoction) and was also eating animals for lunch.

Another said he rarely eats anything but chicken and fish. Mainly for environmental reasons but also because pigs and cows aren’t “dumb.” Unlike chickens, those cousins of the dinosaurs, clearly they’re so “dumb.” A couple years later his spouse got a bunch of steaks on sale and he was raving about how delicious it was.

Just like, don’t say anything then. That’s what I used to do when I still ate animals.

It is bad to kill animals if you don’t have too. Since it is bad, we have to have in our society a rule that says that killing of animals when you don’t have to is forbidden. To create this society you must express that killing of animals when you don’t have to must be forbidden. So you have a moral obligation to say that killing of animals when you don’t have to has to be forbidden.

Please watch this on the Vegan sub and let me know what you think.