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Seems like Trump really wants Taylor’s attention

I also find it funny that the public perception of Taylor vs the public perception of someone like Dua Lipa is because Dua follows the clean girl aesthetic more closely than Taylor. A very weird but common criticism I’ve seen from Taylor haters is that she is a “dork” even with all that money (while they also call her a mean girl stuck in high school… she really is a mirrorball) and I feel like that does have some part to do why people hate her.

First of all thank you to Taylorsredversion for letting me post this but I feel like a lot of people say that a lot of the songs on Showgirl does not belong on Showgirl. This is especially true for Ruin The Friendship. But i don’t really agree with them and i think this post does a great job explaining why.

I honestly think other songs like Cancelled and Actually Romantic also fits the theme of Showgirl and the hardship performers deal with (with Actually Romantic it’s about petty feuds and with Cancelled it the hardship from hate and how your fellow performers will support you from it) but I can see the criticism with those songs and not fitting Showgirls. I just can’t see the criticism with Ruin The Friendship not fitting Showgirls theme since many artist and performers often leave their old life/hometown behind including leaving people who 1)shape their life and 2)they do deeply care about.

I would love to one day right a longer post about the themes of Ruin The Friendship and how it relates to Taylor’s entire discography but let me know what you think.

She looks absolutely stunning :0

Now in one hand I do think using an excessive amount of a private jet is gross… I get that there are safety concerns but our earth is in trouble and billionaires/millionaires using private jet is definitely not helping it. I am fine with criticism of Taylor for this. I am also fine with people defending Taylor. As long as it’s respectful and nuance I don’t care what people’s stance on Taylor and her private jet usage is.

But in the other hand… I am kinda suspicious that Taylor is 1)the only celebrity who gets criticized for this when she is definitely not the celebrity with the most private jet usage and 2)how many post there is about this including several post by different users in the same subreddit. We all know Taylor has been through smear campaigns in the past and recently there has been people trying to paint in a very negative light.

Remember no brigading to any of these subs. If you brigade and start a fight you will be either given a warning or banned

I saw this post on Twitter a few weeks ago and I thought that it was an interesting discussion. Growing up as a kid with unrestricted online access in the 2010s I’ve seen so many memes about how Taylor is either sexually unappealing compared to her peers (specifically in the early 2010s) or how she is someone who dates around and can’t keep a man cause there is something broken within her (specifically in the late 2010s). Hell songs like Blank Space and Slut addressed the latter. Nowadays she is portrayed as an old “hag”/greedy business women who is going after younger artist even when she does not interact with those artist. The old hag part is especially interesting to me as a lot of people say that she is stuck in arrested development because she… mentioned high school in like 2 or 3 songs.

I’ve seen an animation portraying Taylor as a centipede like creatures going after artists like Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter. Even when she had nothing to do with an artist (such as Chappell Roan in 2024. ) I’ve seen so many tweets and tumblr saying that Taylor was secretly jealous of those artist, using variants as proof that she is greedy and only sees her fans as a credit card compare to other pop artist who care about their artistry (never mind the fact that most big artist have multiple variants). I’ve seen comments saying that the reason that Billie was crying over a grammy lost and not Taylor is because Taylor does not care about art and only cares about money, while Billie only cares about art.

And obviously it’s not just her, a lot of female artist get these accusations of either being to sexual or not sexual enough. Of being jealous of younger artist even when they aren’t. Take Sabrina Carpenter for example. I’ve seen so many people say that the only reason she is popular is cause of her “sex appeal” and that she was jealous of Olivia Rodrigo when she released Skin and Because I Liked A Boy (nevermind the fact that the latter was clearly about hate comments she got from Olivia’s fans). As for the hag part, Beyonce also has been getting these accusations especially from the “thank you Beyonce” meme and the Billie Eilish “AOTY snub”. People genuinely think Beyonce payed for the award and I’ve seen Billie fans say really disgusting things about her. Chappell gets hate for “throwing a tantrum” (aka just wanting to live her life and be harassed by Paparazzi’s) and is now getting the greedy accusations that Taylor gets as people say that she only likes her fans cause they give her money.

There’s many different aspects I can discuss about this discussion but one that I really wanna focus on is the Madonna-Whore complex (which I would love to make an entire criticism post about how the Madonna Whore complex relate to Taylor’s discography, especially with songs like BTR and YBWM, but for now let’s focus on Taylor as a public persona)

According to TV Tropes, The Madonna Whore Complex was developed by Sigmund Freud and is “A pattern of thought that divides female humanity into two mutually exclusive categories: Madonnas and Whores. The respectable and honorable Madonna figure, possessing and protecting social virtue, is an object of worship and everything that all women should aspire to be. However, sex is not any part of this, and the Madonna is often portrayed as deploring sexuality. Any woman who fails to live up to the Madonna standard is a disgusting and contemptible Whore, driven exclusively by sexual desire and therefore lacking in morality and humanity. An active sex life makes one a Whore... unless one is married, and sometimes even then.”

Taylor had been both a “Madonna” and a “Whore” in the public eyes since the last 20 years. In her first three to five albums Taylor was not really that sexual, even with songs alluding to sex or sensual aspects of life like Sparks Fly, Treacherous or Style, she was still seen as innocent compare to her peers. She was seen as this perfect girl next door/American sweet heart that played a part into why people view her unfavorably as a Madonna. Hell Lorde said that she was “flawless” and an “unattainable standard for young women”. Yet she was still slut shamed for dating famous men… even though she just went on dates like a normal 20 year old would. Ed Sheeran even said that male artist would not get as much flack as Taylor did for dating around. Showing that she was also the whore while being viewed as a Madonna.

I think Kanye’s West “Famous” and the backlash from it and the phone call also had a lot to do with people viewing Taylor as both a Madonna and a Whore. People saying that they were tired of her playing innocent and acting like a naive victim (which the victim complex thing also has a lot to do with this discussion. Pretty sure the assault case happened either before or after the famous incident and I’ve seen a lot of people saying that Taylor was playing the victim for… standing up for herself after she got sexually harassed) while also slut shamming her for dating white boy of the month Tom Hiddleston.

And now that she is in her 30s people are especially being nasty to Taylor for not acting like a “perfect role model to younger artist” (which first of all why do pop stars need to be role models. I highlighted Lorde’s quote not just as an example of Taylor’s image in the early 2010s but also because she said that Taylor isn’t a good role model to young girls. I’ve seen female artists like Cardi B and Sabrina Carpenter get the same comments but never male artist like Morgan Wallen). She is getting labeled as this ruthless, cold and calculated greedy business woman while also getting labeled as a jealous hag.

I think this speaks to how society sees women in general. When they are young they are seen as clueless and innocent, when they are older and start making their own decisions like who they can date they will get shammed for those decisions. If they want to be powerful and rich they are seen as someone who only values material and not deserving of their success; or to quote a famous poet “they say I hustle, put in the work, they would not question how much of this I deserve” (which for the record I am not saying Taylor should not get criticized for being a billionaire. There is a nuance conversation to have about people saying she deserves non of her success vs criticizing her and other billionaires). And if a women is too old but enjoys things that are deemed “childish” they will get criticized for being emotionally underdeveloped and acting not their age. (Criticism that Taylor has faced as recently as the Knicks game appearance where she and the HAIM sisters were wearing punny shirts and having fun)

There is more I wanna discuss, but I will be writing a post about Actually Romantic soon and will talk about more stuff there. For now feel free to add on to this discussion!

First of all if you don’t want Taylor to collab with any rappers please don’t leave any comments on this post. Just ignore it cause I don’t want 1000 comments about how people don’t want Taylor to collab with rappers.

Taylor collab with serval rappers before (Kendrick Lamar, Ice Spice, Future, and B.O.B before he went crazy…) but I feel like compare to her peers she doesn’t have a lot of rap collabs so I thought this would be a fun discussion. What rappers would you want Taylor to collab with?

To start I would love for Taylor to collab with Megan Thee Stallion esp since Megan said that she would love to collab with Taylor. I also think a REP TV vault track ft Megan would be amazing. Maybe for a song like I Did Something Bad or Cancelled???

I want a redo of a Kendrick and Taylor collab cause no way is Bad Blood (one of my least favorite Taylor song) the best collab they could put out. I think a song that has similar production to King Of My Heart or Don’t Blame Me ft. Kendrick would be cool.

I also think Doechii and Taylor could make a great collab. Doechii already collab with Gaga and that song, while it did take time to grow on me, was a banger. My hot take is that if Doechii was famous in 2023 she would be in the Karma remix not Ice Spice (then again in a perfect world Midnight Rain or Maroon would be the third single from Midnights)

Lastly I liked Asap Rocky’s collab with Lana Del Rey on her songs Summer Bummer, Ridin and esp Groupie Love. I feel like Taylor could make a song similar to that featuring him. He also made a song called Tailor Swift. Granted I don’t listen to much of him compare to the first three rappers so this might be a far fetch take.

I also had a couple of other recs but I feel like people in the comments are gonna mention them so I’ll just wait to see what y’all answered. This is totally not me trying to get some inspo for a Taylor fanmade album edit that I am making…

The first three are moodboard wallpapers the last three are just a lazy wallpaper I made for the chorus of Maggots For Brains

Feel free to use!