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How do you personally want to be perceived as a non-binary person?

I've been looking for trans/non-binary support groups lately, and while doing that I unfortunately ended up being exposed to a lot of transphobic content on Instagram. That's not really what I want to talk about here, though. If anything, it just made me realize how much I need to hear from other non-binary people right now.

I've been thinking a lot about what we're actually trying to achieve when it comes to how other people perceive us.

For many binary trans people, there seems to be a relatively clear social goal: being perceived as the gender they are. Passing can mean that people consistently see you as a man or a woman without questioning it.

But what does "passing" even mean when you're non-binary?

I personally want people to look at me and not be able to immediately categorize me as either a man or a woman. Ideally, I'd love for someone who already understands non-binary identities to look at me and think, "That's a non-binary person." I know that's probably not realistic, because there isn't a single way to look non-binary.

And this is where I get confused.

I do like androgyny, and personally I'd be happy if people perceived me that way. But I don't think androgyny should be treated as the default aesthetic goal of being non-binary. Not every non-binary person wants to look androgynous, and some of us may want to look quite masculine, quite feminine, or somewhere completely different.

At the same time, I don't want to simply be perceived as a man. That would still feel like being categorized incorrectly, even if being perceived as a man would probably alleviate some of the dysphoria I have around being assigned female at birth.

What I really want is for people to question their own assumption.

If someone looks at me and thinks, "I genuinely don't know what gender this person is," I'd actually prefer that over being automatically categorized as a man or a woman. And if they know what non-binary/genderqueer identities are, I'd much rather they recognize me as that.

But I also don't necessarily want to have to educate every random person I encounter. If someone has never heard of non-binary identities, I don't feel like it's automatically my job to teach them. I'd rather leave them a little confused and let them ask if they're open to it.

I realize there may be something slightly pessimistic in that mindset. Part of me assumes that people who aren't already open-minded enough to ask about my pronouns will probably just make an assumption, even if I give them all the information they need. Maybe that's not necessarily true, and I'd actually like to be challenged on that.

So I'm curious about other non-binary people's experiences:

How do you personally want to be perceived as a non-binary person?

Do you want people to recognize you as non-binary? Do you want something closer to "non-binary passing"? Do you want to be completely unreadable? Do you actually prefer being perceived as masculine or feminine? Do you want to be androgynous, or does that have nothing to do with your identity?

And if you've struggled with this contradiction between wanting to be recognized and not wanting to be reduced to a particular appearance, how did you deal with it?

I'm mostly looking for other people's perspectives and hopefully some good conversations. I don't want anyone to question whether I'm actually non-binary — I'm pretty comfortable with that part. I'm questioning how I want to be perceived, and I'd really like to hear how other people experience that.

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u/Limonasam758 — 9 days ago
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I think I’m a Demi girl. Anyone had similar experiences or advice?

so I’ve been questioning my gender a lot recently and I think I may be a Demi girl!

ive always been comfortable being feminine and being referred to as a girl ever since I was little, and I’ve also been pretty aware of the LGBTQ community since around 2020 just due to discovering it on tiktok. but in the past week or so, I’ve basically started having a crisis with my gender identity. I was terrified of being a trans male (also please let me know if I used the terf version? idk I know that exists and is also pretty dumb! anyways) for some reason? but I wasn’t sure if I was just in denial or what!

ive started getting uncomfortable seeing videos of trans men because I’ve thought “what If I’m that? I know transmale femboys exist- what if Im one of them?!” but the same time, I’ve never really associated with the experience. I’ve never really thought or wished to be a guy or to suddenly wake up as one. I rarely thought of myself being one, and not really in a trans way either, like just meeting a version of me from an opposite world.

but I also dont mind being nonbinary. I feel comfortable with they/them pronouns just as much as I do with she/her! I’ve never felt dysphoric about my body or gender honestly.

i do think I’m a Demi girl, but I’m still kinda terrified of being a transguy (which nothing against them! but the thought just sorta terrifies me... but I could also be in some type of weird anxiety denial? idk) just due to my anxiety and somewhat due to the fact most of my favorite characters has been guys. it’s probably just due to my dumb anxiety though lol.

anyways, does anyone have any advice or similar stories? especially from your teen/late teen years? (since that’s what I am lol)

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u/The_Boba_Girl — 8 days ago

no one seems to get me and im unsure what to do

i realized im nonbinary about two years ago, and came out to my friends not too long after that (i recall it was late summer and i came out about mid-autumn, if its important)

I've been acquainted with my friends for about 2-3 years at that point and I've been using she/her pronouns + presenting myself as a woman, so i told everyone i now go by she/they bc i understand someone could just get used to me using she/her and plus my friends are all cis and they probably don't get me at this. it didn't bother me much at the time

some time passed, i realized im uncomfortable with using she/her so i changed my pronouns to they/them completely. yet my friends kept misgendering me, and i wasn't thinking much of it, maybe they're still not used to it etc

timeskip again, about two years into me presenting myself as nonbinary. i started dating a cis man and he does not seem to understand me either, calls me his "girlfriend" (which is fine? i don't really like the word partner honestly) and... well he never actually uses my pronouns. he always makes his sentences the way he doesn't need to use any pronoun to me, if that makes sense. i remember one time we were talking and i asked him how he would recommend me to others (his friends, etc) and he answered he'd say that im "a nice girl" or something along those lines.

while hanging out with my bf i realized that everyone around me see me as a girl, and probably always will. i probably do look a bit androgynous, but i surely look feminine when standing near my bf as he's taller and bigger than me. i don't really want try looking more like a guy to people thinking i am one bc obviously im not a guy. i like having mid long hair and colorful/overall bright clothes and society sadly will recongnise it as girly, hence will see me as a girl

a few days ago i was talking to my best friend (she's cis) and complained to her how i feel weirdly girly especially around my bf and not sure what to do about it. she jokingly said to me that she hopes my boyfriend would "set me straight" referring to me being nonbinary and how she thinks my bf will "help" me come back to being a girl again. it was really uncomfortable and offensive, even though she meant it as a joke and apologized in advance. i know its hard for her to understand me as she never dealt with gender dysphoria etc etc but still i was hoping she'd support me and comfort me somehow, just saying something like "dating a guy doesn't automatically makes you a girl" would be more than enough

i feel so weird. none of people around me understand me, but can i really blame them for this? have anyone here been in similar circumstances?

any feedback will be much appreciated as i don't have anyone to talk about this. sorry for the ramble. text can be hard to read/understand, english is my second language. sorry for any mistakes

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u/Chance_Wrangler_8062 — 9 days ago